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kccrow · 04-24-2020, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

How many Super Bowls did Carl win?

How many studs on this team did Veach draft?

staylor26 · 04-24-2020, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

How many studs on this team did Veach draft?

You can keep saying he didn’t draft Mahomes all you want.

The fact is he’s the guy that pounded the table first and got everybody to buy in. He started the process of drafting him. This is a fact that has been confirmed by people at Texas Tech (or Mahomes people can’t remember) who have no reason to lie.

You refusing to give him credit for that is strange. Are you in competition with him or something? Do you want to prove every year that you’re smarter than the Chiefs GM? I’m not trying to be a dick, it just certainly comes off that way.

kccrow · 04-24-2020, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You can keep saying he didn’t draft Mahomes all you want.

The fact is he’s the guy that pounded the table first and got everybody to buy in. He started the process of drafting him. This is a fact that has been confirmed by people at Texas Tech (or Mahomes people can’t remember) who have no reason to lie.

You refusing time give him credit for that is strange. Are you in competition with him or something? Do you want to prove every year that you’re smarter than the Chiefs GM? I’m not trying to be a dick, it just certainly comes off that way.

First thing, you think John Dorsey didn't see Mahomes' talent? Seriously?
Don't get me wrong, Dorsey had flaws, but he brought alot of talent to this team. Kelce, Hill, Mahomes, Fisher, Jones, etc etc etc. He also brought a lot of talent to Cleveland in his short stint there.

I do not give Veach credit for Mahomes. Just because he was in the chain of command to the area scout doesn't mean I give him credit for it. The ultimate decision to pull that trigger was John Dorsey's. Dorsey will always get credit for that, always.

I liked Veach's draft last year in retrospect. Thornhill was a great value, Saunders proved to be a solid rotational piece as did Hardman. All we got from 2018 though was Nnadi, really. So, there's obviously proof he isn't perfect either.

You liked Gay coming into this, so obviously you're going to like the pick. I don't fault you or anyone else for seeing the positives in the kid. The athleticism is absolutely as good as it gets for a LB. But, he hardly has any collegiate experience or production, some of that his own doing. You question how smart the kid is and if he can learn the position based on that. Would I support the pick? Yes, I would. I just don't support it at 63. I think you're looking at a guy that's probably 2 years out from being an impactful player unless House can unleash some magic with him. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. It's not like we're a bunch of idiots looking at this and haven't seen this all go down before. There was a DE that Tampa took a handful of years ago who's name slips my mind right now that is a really similar comparison and he flamed out.

As for knowing more? No, I've never proclaimed to know more than NFL scouts. I put some level of faith into the process and system, but that doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. Same as you or anyone else. You talk all offseason about prospects you like and prospects you don't like. A bunch of people here do. Doesn't make any one of us more knowledgeable than the other or better than the NFL guys. But you know what, there's a good majority of us that would do pretty well winging it from the couch over some of the GMs in this league.

I'm willing to bet that if I put you, Rain Man, Pugs, Bosschief, SNR, The Franchise, Mecca, a couple others I'm forgetting at the moment, and myself in a room we could be a whole lot better at this than Bob in Houston and we don't have half the info that moron does.

The very fact that some ****ing pleabe on this board calls a person out as "not a fan" because of stating a strong opinion against this pick is ridiculous. I'm definitely a fan. I'm a guy that pounded the table all year long in 2017 for Mahomes and was ecstatic when it happened. And then, there have been guys I've pounded the table for and been dead ****ing wrong. Phillip Dorsett comes to mind. I thought he would be what Tyreek has come to be and he's a far cry from it. I'm wrong as much as the next guy, but I have my opinions and I'm entitled to speak them, and everyone here is welcome to rebut them. But to call me out as a fan? Give me a break.

Jewish Rabbi · 04-24-2020, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

First thing, you think John Dorsey didn't see Mahomes' talent? Seriously?
Don't get me wrong, Dorsey had flaws, but he brought alot of talent to this team. Kelce, Hill, Mahomes, Fisher, Jones, etc etc etc. He also brought a lot of talent to Cleveland in his short stint there.

I do not give Veach credit for Mahomes. Just because he was in the chain of command to the area scout doesn't mean I give him credit for it. The ultimate decision to pull that trigger was John Dorsey's. Dorsey will always get credit for that, always.

I liked Veach's draft last year in retrospect. Thornhill was a great value, Saunders proved to be a solid rotational piece as did Hardman. All we got from 2018 though was Nnadi, really. So, there's obviously proof he isn't perfect either.

You liked Gay coming into this, so obviously you're going to like the pick. I don't fault you or anyone else for seeing the positives in the kid. The athleticism is absolutely as good as it gets for a LB. But, he hardly has any collegiate experience or production, some of that his own doing. You question how smart the kid is and if he can learn the position based on that. Would I support the pick? Yes, I would. I just don't support it at 63. I think you're looking at a guy that's probably 2 years out from being an impactful player unless House can unleash some magic with him. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. It's not like we're a bunch of idiots looking at this and haven't seen this all go down before. There was a DE that Tampa took a handful of years ago who's name slips my mind right now that is a really similar comparison and he flamed out.

As for knowing more? No, I've never proclaimed to know more than NFL scouts. I put some level of faith into the process and system, but that doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. Same as you or anyone else. You talk all offseason about prospects you like and prospects you don't like. A bunch of people here do. Doesn't make any one of us more knowledgeable than the other or better than the NFL guys. But you know what, there's a good majority of us that would do pretty well winging it from the couch over some of the GMs in this league.

I'm willing to bet that if I put you, Rain Man, Pugs, Bosschief, SNR, The Franchise, Mecca, a couple others I'm forgetting at the moment, and myself in a room we could be a whole lot better at this than Bob in Houston and we don't have half the info that moron does.

The very fact that some ****ing pleabe on this board calls a person out as "not a fan" because of stating a strong opinion against this pick is ridiculous. I'm definitely a fan. I'm a guy that pounded the table all year long in 2017 for Mahomes and was ecstatic when it happened. And then, there have been guys I've pounded the table for and been dead ****ing wrong. Phillip Dorsett comes to mind. I thought he would be what Tyreek has come to be and he's a far cry from it. I'm wrong as much as the next guy, but I have my opinions and I'm entitled to speak them, and everyone here is welcome to rebut them. But to call me out as a fan? Give me a break.

Please quote the post where someone said you aren’t a fan.

**Anyong Bluth** · 04-24-2020, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

First thing, you think John Dorsey didn't see Mahomes' talent? Seriously?
Don't get me wrong, Dorsey had flaws, but he brought alot of talent to this team. Kelce, Hill, Mahomes, Fisher, Jones, etc etc etc. He also brought a lot of talent to Cleveland in his short stint there.

I do not give Veach credit for Mahomes. Just because he was in the chain of command to the area scout doesn't mean I give him credit for it. The ultimate decision to pull that trigger was John Dorsey's. Dorsey will always get credit for that, always.

I liked Veach's draft last year in retrospect. Thornhill was a great value, Saunders proved to be a solid rotational piece as did Hardman. All we got from 2018 though was Nnadi, really. So, there's obviously proof he isn't perfect either.

You liked Gay coming into this, so obviously you're going to like the pick. I don't fault you or anyone else for seeing the positives in the kid. The athleticism is absolutely as good as it gets for a LB. But, he hardly has any collegiate experience or production, some of that his own doing. You question how smart the kid is and if he can learn the position based on that. Would I support the pick? Yes, I would. I just don't support it at 63. I think you're looking at a guy that's probably 2 years out from being an impactful player unless House can unleash some magic with him. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. It's not like we're a bunch of idiots looking at this and haven't seen this all go down before. There was a DE that Tampa took a handful of years ago who's name slips my mind right now that is a really similar comparison and he flamed out.

As for knowing more? No, I've never proclaimed to know more than NFL scouts. I put some level of faith into the process and system, but that doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. Same as you or anyone else. You talk all offseason about prospects you like and prospects you don't like. A bunch of people here do. Doesn't make any one of us more knowledgeable than the other or better than the NFL guys. But you know what, there's a good majority of us that would do pretty well winging it from the couch over some of the GMs in this league.

I'm willing to bet that if I put you, Rain Man, Pugs, Bosschief, SNR, The Franchise, Mecca, a couple others I'm forgetting at the moment, and myself in a room we could be a whole lot better at this than Bob in Houston and we don't have half the info that moron does.

The very fact that some ****ing pleabe on this board calls a person out as "not a fan" because of stating a strong opinion against this pick is ridiculous. I'm definitely a fan. I'm a guy that pounded the table all year long in 2017 for Mahomes and was ecstatic when it happened. And then, there have been guys I've pounded the table for and been dead ****ing wrong. Phillip Dorsett comes to mind. I thought he would be what Tyreek has come to be and he's a far cry from it. I'm wrong as much as the next guy, but I have my opinions and I'm entitled to speak them, and everyone here is welcome to rebut them. But to call me out as a fan? Give me a break.

Holy shit.

Did not realize you were related to Dorsey.

Be contrarian all you like. God knows every year people line up to blow x or y guy just drafted who doesn't amount to shit, but you've literally put forth nil of an argument against drafting him beyond a gut reactionary viewpoint.

You gotta surpass the, "It's my party & I'll cry if I want to" litmus test at the very least.

kccrow · 04-24-2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Holy shit.

Did not realize you were related to Dorsey.

Be contrarian all you like. God knows every year people line up to blow x or y guy just drafted who doesn't amount to shit, but you've literally put forth nil of an argument against drafting him beyond a gut reactionary viewpoint.

You gotta surpass the, "It's my party & I'll cry if I want to" litmus test at the very least.

Another idiot that can't read. The average IQ of this place is about 10.

tredadda · 04-24-2020, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

First thing, you think John Dorsey didn't see Mahomes' talent? Seriously?
Don't get me wrong, Dorsey had flaws, but he brought alot of talent to this team. Kelce, Hill, Mahomes, Fisher, Jones, etc etc etc. He also brought a lot of talent to Cleveland in his short stint there.

I do not give Veach credit for Mahomes. Just because he was in the chain of command to the area scout doesn't mean I give him credit for it. The ultimate decision to pull that trigger was John Dorsey's. Dorsey will always get credit for that, always.

I liked Veach's draft last year in retrospect. Thornhill was a great value, Saunders proved to be a solid rotational piece as did Hardman. All we got from 2018 though was Nnadi, really. So, there's obviously proof he isn't perfect either.

You liked Gay coming into this, so obviously you're going to like the pick. I don't fault you or anyone else for seeing the positives in the kid. The athleticism is absolutely as good as it gets for a LB. But, he hardly has any collegiate experience or production, some of that his own doing. You question how smart the kid is and if he can learn the position based on that. Would I support the pick? Yes, I would. I just don't support it at 63. I think you're looking at a guy that's probably 2 years out from being an impactful player unless House can unleash some magic with him. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. It's not like we're a bunch of idiots looking at this and haven't seen this all go down before. There was a DE that Tampa took a handful of years ago who's name slips my mind right now that is a really similar comparison and he flamed out.

As for knowing more? No, I've never proclaimed to know more than NFL scouts. I put some level of faith into the process and system, but that doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. Same as you or anyone else. You talk all offseason about prospects you like and prospects you don't like. A bunch of people here do. Doesn't make any one of us more knowledgeable than the other or better than the NFL guys. But you know what, there's a good majority of us that would do pretty well winging it from the couch over some of the GMs in this league.

I'm willing to bet that if I put you, Rain Man, Pugs, Bosschief, SNR, The Franchise, Mecca, a couple others I'm forgetting at the moment, and myself in a room we could be a whole lot better at this than Bob in Houston and we don't have half the info that moron does.

The very fact that some ****ing pleabe on this board calls a person out as "not a fan" because of stating a strong opinion against this pick is ridiculous. I'm definitely a fan. I'm a guy that pounded the table all year long in 2017 for Mahomes and was ecstatic when it happened. And then, there have been guys I've pounded the table for and been dead ****ing wrong. Phillip Dorsett comes to mind. I thought he would be what Tyreek has come to be and he's a far cry from it. I'm wrong as much as the next guy, but I have my opinions and I'm entitled to speak them, and everyone here is welcome to rebut them. But to call me out as a fan? Give me a break.

If you liked the Veach draft last year in retrospect why not give this one a chance before flipping out over it?

kccrow · 04-24-2020, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

If you liked the Veach draft last year in retrospect why not give this one a chance before flipping out over it?

I'm giving House a chance to turn chicken shit into salad. I said I hoped for that in the original post. Veach definitely went BPA here, but it's Best Project Available. Staff has some work on their hands. DOD didn't pan out because he wasn't smart. This guy had issues with academic fraud and had a 14 Wonderlic. Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? I have legitimate quarrels about trusting Veach on this one. I give Veach the benefit of the doubt far more often than I don't. Calling out one pick doesn't mean I don't think overall that Veach may have a good draft. I defended Helaire and I absolutely despise 1st round RB picks.

rabblerouser · 04-24-2020, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You can keep saying he didn’t draft Mahomes all you want.

The fact is he’s the guy that pounded the table first and got everybody to buy in. He started the process of drafting him. This is a fact that has been confirmed by people at Texas Tech (or Mahomes people can’t remember) who have no reason to lie.

You refusing to give him credit for that is strange. Are you in competition with him or something? Do you want to prove every year that you’re smarter than the Chiefs GM? I’m not trying to be a dick, it just certainly comes off that way.

kccrow is John Dorsey.

The only possible explanation