***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Very well could ....

Why do you think that, pete?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I've not come across anything definitive. Best I found was a Business Insider article saying "two or three" out of twelve patients in Hong Kong exhibited 20-30% reduced lung function after recovering from COVID. It's a ridiculously small sample size and there was no mention of the reduction in function being permanent.

You also need to provide links for your other assertion. That's how this works. When you say something and someone asks if it's been proven you can't just say "Yes, it has". That's when you need to provide the info you found on the subject. The burden of proof is on you.

the liver is the only organ that can regenerate, lung damage can be to tiny blood vessels which can't.

How can they tell is there is no permanent damage ? after 2-3 months the virus has been around.

[Fish]

St. Louis now stay at home orders...

In order to prevent further spread of #COVID19 in the #STL region, @DrSamPage and I will be enacting mandatory stay at home orders, effective on Monday.

The measures will still allow residents to receive basic services & meet basic needs.

Will have more to share this afternoon. pic.twitter.com/DFddvV507k

— Mayor Lyda Krewson (@LydaKrewson) March 21, 2020

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

JFC. Its another Donger question session

IT'S LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF THE LOUNGE

[FloridaMan88]

Just a reminder that there were 60+ million cases and 12,000+ deaths from the Swine Flu pandemic in America, but the media was not frantically broadcasting a day by day running count.

And we were able to somehow survive that without social distancing and draconian “shelter in place” directives.

[burt]

I've never seen draconian used so much...

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Just a reminder that there were 60+ million cases and 12,000+ deaths from the Swine Flu pandemic in America, but the media was not frantically broadcasting a day by day running count.

And we were able to somehow survive that without social distancing and draconian “shelter in place” directives.

Yeah, but this isn't rocket science. If you are being very, very conservative with the numbers under the assumption we don't know all the cases... if we get 60 million cases of this in this country, there's a fair chance there will be at least 500,000 deaths.

500,000 > 12,000

Maybe it'd be less. But I don't know what evidence you could point out to say that we'd have anywhere near 12,000 deaths or less.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Average March temperature in Australia is fairly close to Florida and they have over 1000 cases with an upward trajectory.

They aren’t getting nearly as quick of a spread as more northern countries. They had 25 cases on February 28th and now have 1,072 cases. 42 per million population. Spain had 25 cases on February 27th and now have 25,000 cases. 543 per million population. So they are going to keep increasing but they don’t seem to be at any real risk of having their healthcare be overrun.

[kstater]

Good news everyone. There are no reported cases tomorrow.

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[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by burt

I've never seen draconian used so much...

Enjoy seeing it while you still can.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

IT'S LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF THE LOUNGE

What do you mean?

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by burt

I've never seen draconian used so much...

It's unprecedented...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

This is political it should not be in here.

From the article you posted.... "“Unconscionable” is a feather-light word to use for the response to this pandemic by those in charge. After weeks of inaction, of downplaying the pandemic, of calling it a hoax, President Donald Trump had no choice but to shift tone once this crisis was undeniable. He then stood shoulder to shoulder at press conferences, shaking hands while declaring a national emergency that his own experts said only social distancing would quell. He has failed our nation."

That's a political opinion and belongs in DC. Yeah, it's America's past time to find someone to blame and you could just as well say "leadership failed America" as a broad opinion that's not meant to take sides politically..... but, there's always a gray area and there will ALWAYS be people who tip toe up to the line and put their hands over until they're smacked back, so that's where we've drawn the line so the thread doesn't derail into political BS.

As opposed to the post you responded to here, which is nothing more than reporting the news.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

What do you mean?

You hanging out here and arguing with everyone.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

You hanging out here and arguing with everyone.

You're falling into his trap, you know.