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No Chris Jones at OTA's.
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07-16-2019, 11:11 AM | #556 | |
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I said Chris Jones is already a top defensive player. Whther you pay him now or next year you'll have to pay him big dollars. Kendall Fuller had a merely good season last year. If you pay him now, you might save quite a bit compared to if you let him play one more year and he has a stellar season as he has the potential to be great. |
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07-16-2019, 11:31 AM | #557 |
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i could see them swinging for roby round two next year and drafting a guy.
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07-18-2019, 07:47 AM | #558 | |
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Paying players for what “they might become” is very risky and not efficient, especially ones who have not shown elite characteristics for your team. |
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07-18-2019, 07:50 AM | #559 | |
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You can use the same logic with Jones, but he doesn't want to just get paid a little right, now, he wants the max. I don't really know that he'll cost significantly more next offseason even with a great year if he already wants Donald money. They can't make him sign. |
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07-18-2019, 07:52 AM | #561 | |
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07-18-2019, 07:52 AM | #562 |
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You wouldn't theoretically pay Fuller an elite contract now. You'd pay him at a discounted rate, but guarantee he gets a nice payday that you'd hope he'd sign. Then he could outperform the contract.
If you wait until they show you (like Jones) then at best you get a guy that's just going to play to that contract. You aren't getting any surplus from it. |
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07-18-2019, 07:55 AM | #563 |
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And to be real, we can't keep everyone, the smart play with Jones may to be play out this year, tag him, walk.
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07-18-2019, 07:57 AM | #564 |
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07-18-2019, 07:59 AM | #565 |
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Possibly, although keeping him with the idea of trading him will be hard if we have cap issues cause that number will be big.
But with what Jones has been, getting 5 years out of him and walking away isn't the worst idea, he doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to be super motivated after he gets paid. |
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07-18-2019, 08:00 AM | #566 | |
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At worst you tag him next year, then tag and trade the year after. |
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07-18-2019, 08:31 AM | #567 | |
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He lost so much money taking one for the team and now he’s pissed. |
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07-18-2019, 08:52 AM | #568 | |
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You pay Fuller now, you have a chance to see him outperform his contract in the future. Paying Chris Jones now or next year doesn't make a big difference with regard to how much you're going to pay him. Even he he has a great year next year, his value will be rather similar. In other words, he has already broken out and there is no reason to think he won't sustain a good level of play (unlike Dee Ford for example). That's not to say that Veach shouldn't pay Jones now BTW. |
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07-18-2019, 08:57 AM | #569 | |
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It's a deal in line with his value right now. He wasn't elite last year. He cannot ask for elite money now. If he has a stellar year next year, which is a possibility, then his value can skyrocket. Of course if you pay him now in accordance with his value now and he is elite the next 3 years or so, you'll have to give him a raise but it will still have been good business (meaning a few years of Fuller outplaying his contract). |
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07-18-2019, 09:23 AM | #570 |
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If Fuller takes a lesser contract, it still might be an albatross.
The middle of the pack corner salary (I.e. 11th-14th highest) averages a $12 million cap hit. Is Fuller worth that? I sure as hell don’t think so. It’s fine if he improves, but what if he doesn’t? That’s how GM’s get fired. |
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