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SI: The Dynasty That Never Was
Damn good read on the dismantling of the Seahawks and the rift between members of the defense and Russell Wilson.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/se...n-pete-carroll An excerpt: Quote:
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09-08-2018, 07:24 AM | #2 |
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Bunch of guys worrying about who gets credit. Tells you all you need to know.
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09-08-2018, 07:25 AM | #3 |
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I like it when they show Pete Carroll vigorously chewing bubble gum on the sidelines. You know he is an intense HC.
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09-08-2018, 07:29 AM | #4 |
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In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.
Just this year look at the STL Cardinals. Not bad but under performing. Get the players on the same page and winning increases above the talent level.This isn't new information but coaches and GM's consistently undervalue this part of a successful team. I personally heard DT and Smith trash the offense in a public place many times. They were pissed. |
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09-08-2018, 07:51 AM | #5 | |
Now you've pissed me off!
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"When several players who spoke to SI said Carroll gathered his offensive and defensive leaders and told them they needed to protect Wilson, to treat him more gently than they would their other teammates." In contrast, that is exactly what Belichick does with Brady. He will rip him in practice/film study, saying things like, "A QB at Foxborough High could make that throw." |
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09-08-2018, 07:57 AM | #6 |
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Carroll runs a loose locker room.
No surprise. |
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09-08-2018, 09:22 AM | #7 |
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Just a one time SB winner flash in the pan.
That play call on the goal line that LOST the SB to the Pats was the final straw. Had it succeeded and they won it probably wouldnt have mattered to most of them, but if most of the team really believed Carroll was trying to get Wilson the SB MVP by calling that play then this ending was inevitable. Theres really no getting over that when they dont like the guy (Wilson) to begin with. |
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09-08-2018, 09:53 AM | #8 |
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09-08-2018, 10:27 AM | #9 |
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The dynasty was blown on the Super Bowl play. If you look at the sidelines on that play, Richard Sherman and the others were giddy with excitement, a feeling of inevitability. That goes a long way when you are great, and things are going right. It was such a shocking play, as Ricardo Lockette lollygagged his way toward the endzone before getting blasted on the interception, that this shock torpedoed the franchise. That is tough to overcome.
The best part about it was that after the interception, Russell Wilson hardly looked defeated at all, like he didn't care. After the game, Russell Wilson said the worst part about it was that he "just hates to lose". The way he said it, while seemingly not being stunned by the defeat, was odd at best. There are certain plays that end things. About fifteen years ago there was a play in basketball, where the Sacremento Kings, who were every bit as good as the Los Angeles Lakers, were playing the Lakers in the playoffs. Sacremento was up two in a playoff game, already up in the series 2 games to 1. Seconds left....Lakers down two and miss a shot. Vlade Divac for Sacramento gets hand on the rebound but tips it way out to the top of the key, where Robert Horry of the Lakers catches it and shoots quickly, draining a three pointer for the win at the buzzer. The Lakers went on to win the series, and the Lakers cemented their dynasty, while Sacramento never was the same. |
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09-08-2018, 10:58 AM | #10 | |
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09-08-2018, 11:34 AM | #11 |
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Eh. There's something else driving the dislike of Wilson. It's the same thing that drove so much anger from team-mates at McNabb.
I actually worry people will do it to Mahomes. Black players tend to dislike light skinned black dudes who come from money and 'act white'. Same reason so many NBA guys hate Steph Curry. Nobody really talks publicly about it, but it's a thing. Kaep had the same problem in his locker room, which is why he went full african revolutionary to get black cred. I'm not saying it's the reason, but the resentment is there from the start. |
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09-08-2018, 11:42 AM | #12 |
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**** the Seahags and their 2nd Loudest fans too!
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09-08-2018, 12:31 PM | #14 | |
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Sounds like it would be hard to trade a guy like that. |
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09-08-2018, 01:09 PM | #15 |
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