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Old 09-04-2018, 12:49 PM  
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:11 PM   #136
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I'm all for having a good OL and all, but people have warped ideas on OL play.
Apparently we should use every 1st round pick on an OL, even if we have 5 starters cause our backups need to be great also!

Go look at the league and the backup OL, you'll see a ton of good teams that have guys way worse than Cam Erving as the 1st guy off the bench.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:11 PM   #137
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So he’s making a little over $3 million average unless he is forced to play? And people wanted to keep Fulton?

This deal is HALF of what Fulton just got. Paying a guy $3 million per year isn’t that much. It’s less than 2% of the salary cap.
Fulton was actually good. 4 years 28 million, 13 guaranteed was his contract.
And, it isn't just Erving's contract you have to consider, it is all the other scrubs they are signing and taking up roster spots to try to find a serviceable backup.

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2017 pass-blocking efficiency: 80.6

Best individual PBE: Zach Fulton, 98.3
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:16 PM   #138
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Outside of the Alex Smith trade, Veach has had a mostly ****ing awful year.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:20 PM   #139
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Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:23 PM   #140
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Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.
It isn’t, but this is CP where overreactions are the norm.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:24 PM   #141
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Erving was so bad starting last year that the offense averaged 28 points per game in the 4 games he started.

Fulton is not as valuable as Erving bc he can’t play tackle. We also just cleaned house at the OL positions 6-10. Ehinger and Witzmann are gone and Devey isn’t far behind.

I don’t see any problem paying such a small amount to a guy. You guys are acting like Erving making $3 million is the same as paying Fisher $14 million.

This is market value for a swing tackle, which really isn’t that much. Not really a big deal IMO.
You're again ignoring the fact that Fulton is talented enough to start.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:28 PM   #142
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I think some of you need to pay more attention what typical OL contracts are worth these days. Even for a backup, this isn't out of line.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:32 PM   #143
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Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for ****'s sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:32 PM   #144
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You're again ignoring the fact that Fulton is talented enough to start.
And you're ignoring that this isn't a starter contract.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:33 PM   #145
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Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for ****'s sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!
What? How the hell is his contract anyway similar to Schwartz.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:36 PM   #146
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How did this negotiation go down? Did Veach beg him to stay on past this year or something? Clearly these negotiations were done where Veach was put in a position to beg him for a deal.

I'm very worried. Hell, even Pioli could occasionally make a great deal with a player. DJ's and Jamaal's first extensions were terrific.

I'm afraid Veach is a flaming dumbass who might be even worse than Dorsey when it comes to cap matters. And if his scouting/drafts suck too, then we're REALLY screwed.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:37 PM   #147
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2 years 6 million dollars for a swing Ol.

Am I missing something?
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:37 PM   #148
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Honestly, were you guys expecting anything different from Veach?

Dorsey was a scouting director for a full decade plus some in Green Bay. Veach had the job here for only a few years. It wasn't long before that when he even first got into scouting. He was very inexperienced.

That being said, inexperience doesn't necessarily mean incompetence when it comes to matters of finding talent. And that wasn't exactly something that Dorsey ever lacked.

But what exactly did Veach have in his resume that would indicate he would be better than Dorsey at cap management?

Like... this is just freaking ridiculous. I don't care how incentive-laden it is. For the production that Erving gave us (he lost his starting job for ****'s sake) he wasn't worth a Bryan Witzmann contract. Or a Jeff Linkenbach contract.

And here he is making Mitchell Schwartz money?!
3.3 million a year is Mitchell Schwartz money?! Erving has value in that he is capable of playing all 5 positions on the line. Now he isn't playing all 5 positions at an above average level, but finding a player who is serviceable at all 5 positions is very valuable. 3.3 million a year is a standard backup contract for a veteran with that much versatility.

Did I miss the memo that today was Red Panties Tuesday on CP? Bunch of ****ing crybabies on here today.
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I think some of you need to pay more attention what typical OL contracts are worth these days. Even for a backup, this isn't out of line.
It absolutely is because Erving has no business in the NFL. Hes Jordan Black terrible.
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