Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM  
Deberg_1990 Deberg_1990 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: San Antonio Tx.
David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.



The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
Posts: 66,914
Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Deberg_1990 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:27 AM   #91
pugsnotdrugs19 pugsnotdrugs19 is offline
SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Cowherd did nail it.
Posts: 27,224
pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:35 AM   #92
RealSNR RealSNR is offline
Special Teams ACE!!!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Where the hell is SNR
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
I understand your frustration man. Believe me I get it but there are plenty of ways to win a SB. Blaming one player, who is clearly a good QB, in a team game like football for a teams failures isn't fair.

We didn't lose that Steelers game because of Alex Smith. He had a bad game but overall he played pretty much just as well as Big Ben did. Difference was Bell ran all over us while our running game was pretty much nonexistent.

And Alex Smith has stepped his game up in the playoffs plenty of times. Check out his playoff stats. They speak for themselves.
"We didn't lose because of Alex."

"Alex had a bad game."

Which one is it?
Posts: 92,048
RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:35 AM   #93
Best22 Best22 is offline
MVP
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: World Boxing Champs
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBeauford View Post
Or he doesnt want to admit his mistake with Smith, and would rather be the captain going down with the ship. Its not like this hasnt happened before with Pioli and Cassel.
Then why did he draft Mahomes? He could have gotten a shiny toy for Alex but instead he traded up for a quarterback. If he wanted to "go down with the ship" he never would have got Mahomes for there to be controversy in the first place.
Posts: 5,973
Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Best22 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:36 AM   #94
The Franchise The Franchise is offline
Most Valuable Villain
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR View Post
"We didn't lose because of Alex."

"Alex had a bad game."

Which one is it?
When Alex has a bad game and we lose.....then the blame is on the entire team.

When Alex has a good game and we lose....the blame falls on someone else.

When Alex has a good game and we win.....ALL ALEX DOES IS WIN!!!!
Posts: 92,316
The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.The Franchise is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:42 AM   #95
BleedingRed BleedingRed is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Houston, Tx
It's time.................
Posts: 28,395
BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:42 AM   #96
Reerun_KC Reerun_KC is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Who let Carl Peterson register an account?
Posts: 1,529
Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:42 AM   #97
RealSNR RealSNR is offline
Special Teams ACE!!!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Where the hell is SNR
PAChiefsguy, do you think Alex deserves to stick around as the starter in 2018 in spite of his drop off in play as well as how much he's going to cost the team?
Posts: 92,048
RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 10:49 AM   #98
PAChiefsGuy PAChiefsGuy is offline
Best Body On ChiefsPlanet
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 View Post
I don't know how anyone can watch our steelers playoff loss and not believe that Alex Smith was by far the #1 reason we lost. Of course it isn't the only reason. But it was the main reason.
i disagree. Our run defense was horrible and I'd say at least just as much of a reason for the loss as Smith was.. Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many. Not to mention we had a ton of dropped balls

Smittys stats were pretty much just as good as Big Bens and Smiths INT wasn't even his fault. It was a caused by pressure. He still had a bad game but it wasn't as bad as many on here are making it out to be. The year the Seahawks won the SB Russel Wilson had a game much worse than Smith's Steelers game.
Posts: 6,128
PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 11:14 AM   #99
chiefzilla1501 chiefzilla1501 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
i disagree. Our run defense was horrible and I'd say at least just as much of a reason for the loss as Smith was.. Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many. Not to mention we had a ton of dropped balls

Smittys stats were pretty much just as good as Big Bens and Smiths INT wasn't even his fault. It was a caused by pressure. He still had a bad game but it wasn't as bad as many on here are making it out to be. The year the Seahawks won the SB Russel Wilson had a game much worse than Smith's Steelers game.
Russell wilson has played in 12 playoff games. Only once has he scored less than 20 points. Get out of here with this shit about that performance being anything like Russell Wilsons playoff experience. Alex Smith has played in half the playoff games and has twice as many games under 20 (if not for the new england garbage td at the end, it would be half). If your qb can't put up 20 at home in the playoffs, that is not a good performance.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/
Posts: 49,817
chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:04 PM   #100
dls6501 dls6501 is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
Second there have been QBs not as good as Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season' Smith that have won the SB. Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex. He won it.
While its all fine and dandy that you think Smith is better than him (and I dont really care to get into that debate with you), it is an indisputable fact that Flacco played at a higher level in the 2012 playoffs than Alex has played in ANY four game stretch in his entire career.

Flacco won the Superbowl for his team. He wasnt carried the way Alex was his only Chiefs playoff win.
Posts: 1,430
dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:13 PM   #101
dls6501 dls6501 is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team has an RB that runs for 170 yds? I can't tell you the exact answer but I know it is not many.
Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team didnt score a touchdown. I cant tell you the exact number, but know it is an overwhelming majority.
Posts: 1,430
dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.dls6501 would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:19 PM   #102
Marcellus Marcellus is offline
Diablo Negro
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rausch View Post
I'm not worried abut the team this year - I'm worried about the future of our team...
Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.
Posts: 72,280
Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.Marcellus is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:21 PM   #103
Reerun_KC Reerun_KC is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus View Post
Then its time to start Mahomes. 6 games experience more he will have heading into next season.

JFC people this kid isn't made of glass and he is mobile as hell.


True fan Syndrome.
Posts: 1,529
Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:29 PM   #104
PAChiefsGuy PAChiefsGuy is offline
Best Body On ChiefsPlanet
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Quote:
Originally Posted by dls6501 View Post
Tell me how many playoff teams have won when the opposing team didnt score a touchdown. I cant tell you the exact number, but know it is an overwhelming majority.
They scored 18-pts. Stop acting like they scored 6 and call it what it is.
Posts: 6,128
PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.PAChiefsGuy Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 12:32 PM   #105
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
pie is never free
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the drivers seat
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR View Post
PAChiefsguy, do you think Alex deserves to stick around as the starter in 2018 in spite of his drop off in play as well as how much he's going to cost the team?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
They scored 18-pts. Stop acting like they scored 6 and call it what it is.
Go ahead and answer the question
Posts: 94,795
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.