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09-26-2017, 08:08 PM | #46 |
Bono & Grbac wasn't enough
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I'm slobbering this down like knowmo on Seimean cock
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09-27-2017, 07:18 PM | #47 |
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So...that North Vietnamese veteran with the big blonde toupee. Does he think he's pulling that look off?
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09-27-2017, 10:59 PM | #48 |
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09-28-2017, 08:37 AM | #49 | |
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The protestors directing their actions toward the soldiers was hopelessly and incredibly WRONG. |
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09-28-2017, 08:44 AM | #50 |
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Ar least we learned that lesson. People separated the opposition to the Iraq war from the soldiers fighting the war. Overall the Iraq soldiers were treated like the heroes they were when they returned home.
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09-28-2017, 08:48 AM | #51 | |
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Yes. Reducing the number of civilian casualties also helped, as the perception of the American public wasn't that our boys were "baby-killers" and stuff like that. I really like how many who defend the Vietnam War think we were too soft. That we just needed to have more troops over there, and bomb MORE, and ramp up our aggressiveness. So incredibly stupid it doesn't bear mentioning. Just look at the Russians in Afghanistan. It didn't work for them, and it wouldn't have worked for us, even if we were willing to become completely amoral. "We had to destroy the village to save it." |
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09-28-2017, 08:50 AM | #52 |
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He's the NVA's version of Little Richard.
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09-28-2017, 09:17 AM | #53 |
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Maybe if you march from Hanoi to Saigon with the NVA, you get a pass in Vietnam. Either that, or everyone knows not to cross a guy who marched from Hanoi to Saigon.
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09-28-2017, 09:36 AM | #54 |
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I will binge - it'll be released somewhere.
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09-28-2017, 10:42 AM | #55 |
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09-28-2017, 12:47 PM | #56 |
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Good conversation with John Musgrave. Mike McGraw is the older brother of one of my best friends, Tim McGraw. Mike and Tim lived about a mile from my house. https://www.facebook.com/KCStarOpini...2562808502383/
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09-28-2017, 02:15 PM | #57 |
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Great series, I'm on episode 9 now.
One of the greatest takeaways for me personally (besides the atrocity of the war itself and the powerful personal narratives) was the total selfishness of all 3 Presidents during this time period. You hear Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon all admit they won't have good chances (or chances at all) at reelection if they pull out. Kennedy was just such a ****ing hypocrite ("ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country") annnnnd is worried about his reelection chances over American lives….what a ****ing asshole. |
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09-28-2017, 02:28 PM | #58 |
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I never knew Nixon conspired with the Saigon government to torpedo the peace talks right before the election. Promising a better deal if they sabotaged the talks. Johnson finds out through wire taps and tells the Republican leader of the Senate of the treason. Nixon lies to Johnson but Johnson doesn't tell the American people.
We could have possibly ended the war and Nixon committed treason to sabotage the effort. Poor decision on Johnsons part to not tell the American people. |
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09-28-2017, 03:56 PM | #59 | |
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Wait, you're focused on KENNEDY?!? Are you f'ing serious? You do know when he was shot, right? |
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09-28-2017, 03:57 PM | #60 | |
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My memory on this is that there was ALOT of smoke, but not alot of fire, in the sense of verification that this happened. Has there been any newly discovered evidence that Nixon did in fact undermine the Paris peace talks? |
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