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04-02-2015, 11:59 AM | #466 | |
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Both are lawyers, therefore questionable human beings. |
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04-02-2015, 12:02 PM | #467 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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No large, prestigious firm in the country would have even let Jimmy in the door. All Chuck did was act as a responsible steward for his partners and employees. Had Jimmy done exactly what you're suggesting he do: get on with a different firm, establish his bonafides, then go build a practice, he could easily have then gone out and hung his own shingle and come up with Sandpiper. At that point Chuck's analysis is almost certainly going to be different. That's not what happened. |
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04-02-2015, 12:03 PM | #468 |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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04-02-2015, 12:05 PM | #469 | |
In Search of a Life
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The setup with the "teenager" was with a couple of cons working against a couple of crooks. There were no innocents involved in that, if you'll remember. We've also seen Jimmy be charitable, honest, and even kind to the elderly as he's worked with them. And the sainthood is because Jimmy hasn't become Saul Goodman yet. That's the whole point of the show: watching Jimmy break bad and become Saul Goodman. If he's already there, then he's a static character, and there's no real point or evolution. |
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04-02-2015, 12:09 PM | #470 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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He may have emerged from a cocoon as the underhanded, morally bankrupt Saul that he became, but he went into it as a pretty shitty caterpillar. |
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04-02-2015, 12:30 PM | #471 | |
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04-02-2015, 12:36 PM | #472 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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Which yields a happier Jimmy? That his brother dropped the guillotine on him, or that a guy he already hated did it? Chuck saw a path of least resistance that, if he'd have just executed a little better, would have led to Jimmy being happier and likely with a princely sum of money in his pocket. Sure, there may have been selfish motivations as well - afterall, who wants to crush their sibling? But there is also a very real benevolent justification for using Hamlin as the hatchet man. |
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04-02-2015, 12:44 PM | #473 | |
Gimme My Berries Back!
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04-02-2015, 12:47 PM | #474 | ||
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04-02-2015, 12:49 PM | #475 |
Perpetual Mediocrity
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It's not that anybody is holding up Saul Goodman in BB as some kind of heroic character. Far from it. He's quite the opposite of that. But he very clearly never gets to that point if his brother (who Jimmy clearly idolizes) actually believed in him rather than just paying lip service to the idea of Jimmy's rehabilitation and treating him as a lesser person.
You can argue that Chuck had some rational reasons for doing that (even if they were just a front for his own selfish pride), but they still involved him making the choice to ignore the obvious positive qualities that Jimmy had and focus on the bad instead. |
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04-02-2015, 12:52 PM | #476 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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At your next family reunion, how 'bout you tell everyone that it's time for an airing of grievances and complete candor about their respective flaws. I'm gonna guess that barbecue doesn't go over terribly well. I've found that most people that claim that they're just brutally honest are actually assholes that get off on seeing other people's vulnerabilities laid bare. The happiest Jimmy is the one that thinks he has his brother's support. The Jimmy that turns into Saul is the one that knows he doesn't. Ignorance would've been better for all involved. |
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04-02-2015, 01:01 PM | #477 |
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Best line of the show - that was just the monumental cut - "Slippin Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimpanzee with a machine gun." (paraphase)....no coming back from that one.
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04-02-2015, 01:05 PM | #478 |
Perpetual Mediocrity
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What would have been even better was his actual support. Unfortunately, it's clear at this point he's never getting it.
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04-02-2015, 01:18 PM | #479 | |
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I think the age gap is overlooked here. Jimmy was probably around 3 when Chuck likely left the roost and Chuck was in his self-absorbed teenage years even when Chuck was an baby. There's going to be very little in the way of familiarity and the bonds that come from growing up together. Chuck knows Jimmy almost secondhand; Jimmy's as much a distant cousin as he is a brother. I just don't think it's fair to expect unwavering support from Chuck here - there wasn't a history together to build it on. |
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04-02-2015, 02:09 PM | #480 | |
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And "Jimmy, this place has its pick of the best of the best from Prestigious law programs. I think it would be best if you established yourself as a lawyer at a different firm before coming on at HHM to ensure there is no nepotism." Look dude, I'm directly involved with 12 related party business arrangements and have a cursory understanding of several others. Unequivocally the answer is ALWAYS honesty and a clear understanding of the circumstances. Always. Not hiring Jimmy is not bad. Lying to him about it is. |
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