Believe it or not, Veach isn’t don’t yet.

[Direckshun]

So the rocky two years we’re looking at, cap wise, are 2020 and 2021.

But Mahomes just opened up everything by taking a $500m deal that’s still, somehow, a sweetheart deal for those two years, cap-wise.

We are basically at the cap right now assuming our draft picks swallow up the 6m in cap space we have post-Mahomes.

Jones’ deal, if he were extended, could open up about 10m in 2020. And we could have the cap space in 2021 if we do some smart finangling like effectively replace Fisher with Niang and/or extend Tyrann Matthieu and Travis Kelce. All sorts of options on the table there.

Of course, Jones being traded still makes the most sense, given the Chiefs apparent inaction towards him. That would net us 16m, and give us additional draft ammunition to replace Watkins or Jones or Hitchens or any of our starting corners in 2021/2022.

Of course, Jones could simply be traded for a player we could use, like Ngakuoe or Brandon Scherff + draft capital, both options would cost the team less than the Jones megadeal, which would allow us to sign Snacks, or some such player.

Or Jones could be extended and the defense could get further fortified if some free agent studs like Clowney bring their price down.

Give Veach some credit here: if your goal was to get a Jones deal by the deadline, or a well-valued trade for him to get some assets or players in return, then you needed to knock this massive domino down. And not only did Veach do that, he did it in such as way as it gives the team endless flexibility with Mahomes’ contract through at least 2027.

We ain’t done yet, folks. This is the golden era of Chiefs football.

[Hydrae]

Can we now stop trying to compare Dorsey and Veach? We kept the stud!!!

[DrRyan]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Don't care. When is the last time a class-of-the-league GM bailed ship in the middle of a team's dynasty because the owner was dumb enough not to pay him?

That's all Hunt money, too. It's not cap money.

He's staying.

The Jimmy Johnson Jerruh dumbassery is the only one that comes to mind.

[smithandrew051]

EYE HART BURT BEACH!!!!

[carcosa]

I'm isn't don't cumming more Hugely!!!!!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

I just googled it -- i too was curious about it -- and wasn't able to find much on length of contract or contract details.

yeah, nothing out there on how long his contract is.

Why would he leave? At least not until we get some more Super Bowls. But........

The only thing concerning is GM’s can get unlimited money. One of these billionaire owners could throw several brinks trucks full of cash at the guy and not even blink financially. They don’t care about the money, just winning.

[mililo4cpa]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Don't care. When is the last time a class-of-the-league GM bailed ship in the middle of a team's dynasty because the owner was dumb enough not to pay him?

That's all Hunt money, too. It's not cap money.

He's staying.

Agreed, particularly since the Chiefs are the type of organization that really wants longevity and consistency in their front office, the quintessential "family".

Obviously, there is some exception to that (Dorsey, 2007-2012), but it all feels right at this point (owner, coach, GM, QB, roster that all is working in harmony together).....

[PAChiefsGuy]

He isn't don't yet. Well that's good to know.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Of course, Jones being traded still makes the most sense, given the Chiefs apparent inaction towards him. That would net us 16m, and give us additional draft ammunition to replace Watkins or Jones or Hitchens or any of our starting corners in 2021/2022.

You have no idea where the Chiefs are with the Chris Jones negotiations and nothing matters until July 16th, the day after he's no longer allowed to sign a contract extension.

Deadline deals are done every year.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Of course, Jones could simply be traded for a player we could use, like Ngakuoe or Brandon Scherff + draft capital, both options would cost the team less than the Jones megadeal, which would allow us to sign Snacks, or some such player.

What, wait? Why would the Chiefs trade Chris Jones for a player that wants $20 million per year? That makes ZERO sense, just like most of your posts.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Or Jones could be extended and the defense could get further fortified if some free agent studs like Clowney bring their price down.

Clowney? Clowney? The Chiefs don't have the cap room for Clowney and they'd be stupid to pay him $15 million or more per year, which is below his asking price.

The Chiefs need inexpensive, productive players, not MORE players in the $20 million per year category.

[Sassy Squatch]

Even when he's trying to be somewhat positive Direckshun still gets shit on.

[RealSNR]

I think we've been given enough time, and we can confidently say that the idiot tinfoil hatters who thought Veach was hired as a yes-man-only lackey GM to Andy Reid were entirely wrong.

I mean, why would the organization lie about something like that in the first place? What would they have been hiding? There are plenty of teams that have a powerful head coach with official assigned duties involving personnel in which they work alongside a GM. The Eagles straight up said, "Andy does this on the personnel side. Howie Roseman does the other stuff." These days it's not that way. Because Clark Hunt ****ing said so.

It was that way with Dorsey, too. Reid had INPUT, but all well-run organizations give their head coaches input on personnel. That's what they said. In a press conference. And that's what they said when Veach was hired. And that's what Reid continues to say.

Why does everything have to be a goddamn conspiracy theory with some of you morons?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I think we've been given enough time, and we can confidently say that the idiot tinfoil hatters who thought Veach was hired as a yes-man-only lackey GM to Andy Reid were entirely wrong.

Reid has spoken publicly many times about not wanting total control of which players play on his team. He said he had total control before and it didn't work out. Not just on the field but for him personally.

He just wanted to get back to coaching but have his opinion valued by the GM. He obviously listens to input. He also has said Mahomes being on this team is because of Veach. Veach bugging him. Leaving tapes/film of Mahomes in his office, giving them to his wife to give to Andy etc.

I think we got a helluva a player aquistion system in place. A potential GOAT QB. A Hall of Famer coach. It's a great time to be a Chiefs fan.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Even when he's trying to be somewhat positive Direckshun still gets shit on.

Well you know what them said. . . . 'sometimes when you would the whole thing.'

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clowney? Clowney? The Chiefs don't have the cap room for Clowney and they'd be stupid to pay him $15 million or more per year, which is below his asking price.

The Chiefs need inexpensive, productive players, not MORE players in the $20 million per year category.

I don't think that's really far-fetched.

A Jones deal could clear a lot of his 2020 cap hit. If Clowney continues to be unable to find the long-term, megadeal he wants, he may look for a good one-year situation to increase his stock and accept a lower yearly rate ($12 million?)

KC would certainly fall into that category. Super Bowl contender, lets him play DE exclusively, great talent around him on the DL that ensures he gets a lot of single-team pass rush opportunities, high-scoring offense that's going to force teams to throw the ball a ton...

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think that's really far-fetched.

A Jones deal could clear a lot of his 2020 cap hit. If Clowney continues to be unable to find the long-term, megadeal he wants, he may look for a good one-year situation to increase his stock and accept a lower yearly rate ($12 million?)

KC would certainly fall into that category. Super Bowl contender, lets him play DE exclusively, great talent around him on the DL that ensures he gets a lot of single-team pass rush opportunities, high-scoring offense that's going to force teams to throw the ball a ton...

You're a moron.. Clowney isnt coming here. Might as well just pay Chris Jones if that is the case

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You're a moron.. Clowney isnt coming here. Might as well just pay Chris Jones if that is the case

You seem to be the moron...in Duncan's scenario Chris Jones is paid.

It is not an impossible scenario, but I think someone will sign Clowney eventually for around 15 million...but the closer you get to the regular season without him being signed, the cheaper he will be, and if his price actually does drop to 10-12 million then the Chiefs could be all in on a one year deal.