***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Redbled

Friend in her 60s was placed on a ventilator yesterday. She’s a marathon runner. Don’t read stats on ventilator survival rate.

That sucks man .

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

97 using right hand
98 using left hand

So that's good I guess....as I am moving around I am starting to feel a bit better but starting to break out in hives again which means more Benadryl which means more sleep...ugh

Good news!

The hives wouldn't hare happen to be a side effect of the antibiotics prescribed, would they?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Good news!

The hives wouldn't hare happen to be a side effect of the antibiotics prescribed, would they?

Might be. I have always tended to break out into hives when I get really sick though especially when fever is involved.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

Hopefully this will help:

Somehow I doubt it.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Monticore

What I am not sure but I assume that alll of those would count towards their respective stats + 1 covid, + 1 pneumonia etc..

But it reads as ARS, which was a consequence of Pneumonia, which was a consequence of COVID-19.

So the underlying cause is COVID-19.

But then some propaganda outlet comes out with some new take on "Only 12% of death certificates list COVID-19 alone!". Then half a dozen posters come running in here breathless to post it. Repeat every week or so.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

But it reads as ARS, which was a consequence of Pneumonia, which was a consequence of COVID-19.

So the underlying cause is COVID-19.

But then some propaganda outlet comes out with some new take on "Only 12% of death certificates list COVID-19 alone!" knowing it's complete BS. Then half a dozen posters come running in here breathless to post it. Repeat every week or so.

i understand that , i was just thinking of how the stats would be tracked in databases.

I assume They keep stats on pneumonia related deaths , I assume some of them are related to other conditions , I don't think they just count pneumonias that caused death that were unrelated to something else.

[suzzer99]

I would assume there's a special stat for original underlying cause of death. But who knows.

I work for a university in the fund-raising department. You can give as many family members and family foundations credit for a gift as you want. We'll be happy to give them all credit. But only one gets the receipt for tax purposes. We call it hard credit and soft credit.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I would assume there's a special stat for original underlying cause of death. But who knows.

I work for a university in the fund-raising department. You can give as many family members and family foundations credit for a gift as you want. We'll be happy to give them all credit. But only one gets the receipt for tax purposes. We call it hard credit and soft credit.

Yeah not sure who decides or what the criteria is for becoming a stat for that specific illness.

renal failure for example is a stats they have a 5-10 million per year but that tends to be related to other illnesses , i would think some of the numbers , cancer/hypertension/obesity would overlap.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Hope everything turns out well. Remember if it gets to 90% or below get your ass to a doctor.

90%? Id be calling my doctor if it gets to 95% myself.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

90%? Id be calling my doctor if it gets to 95% myself.

I'm staying around 97%-98% it seems. Sense of smell and taste are not back but they are little better.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm staying around 97%-98% it seems. Sense of smell and taste are not back but they are little better.

.. so I'm not getting your stuff.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm staying around 97%-98% it seems. Sense of smell and taste are not back but they are little better.

Nice. The majority of the population run at those numbers except those with COPD or other respiratory diseases where a lower number is normal for them. However if you are otherwise healthy and you begin to dip to 95%, even asymptomatic, I may give my PMD a heads up. As a paramedic for 20 years I would be giving supplemental O2 at 95% or lower. 90% is significantly low and in the majority of cases I would be grabbing a NRB mask with 100% O2. Keep on getting better!!!!

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

For those who are curious I am on day 8 of symptoms. Not eating much. Lost about 10 pounds. Fever seems to be gone though I get a bit of a flare here and there but nothing serious. Salivary gland still swollen but nothing like it was. Still cannot taste or smell.

Generally just feeling weak which lack of food I am sure has something to do with. Back is sore from constantly laying in bed. Can breathe okay but Wife is going to get a monitor just to be sure.

Overall I feel like I have the flu more than a cold.

Hang in there Pete. Best wishes to you

[Al Bundy]

Damn Pete, I hope you get back to 100% asap.

[2112]

Originally Posted by petegz28

For those who are curious I am on day 8 of symptoms. Not eating much. Lost about 10 pounds. Fever seems to be gone though I get a bit of a flare here and there but nothing serious. Salivary gland still swollen but nothing like it was. Still cannot taste or smell.

Generally just feeling weak which lack of food I am sure has something to do with. Back is sore from constantly laying in bed. Can breathe okay but Wife is going to get a monitor just to be sure.

Overall I feel like I have the flu more than a cold.

Feel better dude! The hardest part is trying to self isolate in a house full of family members. I got it 2 1/2 weeks ago, no fever just slept day and night for the first 3 days. Lost taste and smell which is annoying as hell. I could taste green tea and won tong soup but I couldn’t taste or smell coffee. I lost 12lbs. Today I tasted my coffee for the first time in weeks. When you feel a little better try eating spicy stuff. It seems to have expedited my taste and smell. I’ve been eating wasabi peas and el yucateco green habanero sauce and I think it’s been helping with the taste and smell.

Good luck to you and your family