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Old 02-17-2021, 09:23 AM  
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Devin White, not a fan of Chiefs' coaching

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A message for Chiefs about Super Bowl game plan for Patrick Mahomes, offense

One word: ouch, White didn't hold back

By Patrik Walker
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It goes without saying the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are enjoying not only the victory itself in Super Bowl 2021 over Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, but most certainly the spoils thereof. Take one look at linebacker Devin White and you'll immediately find evidence to that fact, having now gone from taking his Dream lap around Raymond James Stadium on his horse to grabbing a scalpel and surgically dissecting the Chiefs for a second time -- this time verbally. Never one to mince words, the All-Pro is fed up with hearing how Kansas City was at a disadvantage because they were without starting tackles Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz, both sidelined by injury.

To put it plainly, White wants everyone to can those excuses, tie them to a rocket and fire them into the sun, as he so eloquently made clear in a recent interview with FS1's "Undisputed." The 23-year-old laid into head coach Andy Reid, offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy and anyone else who had a hand in scheming protection for Mahomes.

"We knew that they was gonna be a cocky team, which they have every right to be," White said, via NFL reporter Dov Kleiman. "They [were] the No. 1 offense in the entire National Football League. But the thing is, we knew they couldn't block us. We knew that our front four was gonna dominate them.

"So they did us a favor. They played right into our hands."

How so? Well, White points out the Chiefs' refusal to send any help to the edges.

"We weren't gonna be that cocky team like, 'Hey, we're gonna play them in Cover One, we're gonna shut them down,'" he said. "Our best guys matched up on their best guys. We was gonna make it be a team, collective win on defense, and that's what we did. So at the end of the day they shouldn't even talk about not having their offensive tackles when they didn't even help them.

"They put them on islands by themselves with the best pass rushers in the game. So that's their own fault."

In looking at the film, White is telling the truth. Kansas City's plan to pretend their backups could play iso against the vicious defensive front of the Bucs was doomed from the start. Mahomes was under siege most of the evening and when he finally did break free at times, it was for naught, thanks to drops by franchise targets like tight end Travis Kelce and wide receiver Tyreek Hill -- with running back Darrel Williams getting in on the drop action as well. Mahomes was sacked three times and bullied much, much more than that would indicate, having also been hit a combined nine times in the game.

Shaq Barrett alone owned one of those sacks and four of those QB hits, with Ndamukong Suh and others also joining the party to keep Mahomes out of the end zone both on the ground and in the air. He'd finish with 23 incompletions and two interceptions on the day, and while he was able to muster 270 passing yards, White says they shouldn't go writing home to mother about that number.

"They started gaining yards when we were already up 21 points," said White."We already gave our little brothers the controllers, and they just started giving up little BS yards at the end. I know everybody praising Travis Kelce [for having] 133 yards, but a lot of that came at the end of the game when it was already over -- we're sitting back in zone and playing soft. The same for Tyreek Hill.

"... They gave him a lot of yards and it made it look like he had a decent day. We know what went on, there was a lot of toe tagging out there."
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:27 PM   #61
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Reid coached a car wreck of a game. It was easily one of his worsted. Bucs were fooled by nothing. White was right about that.

It's interesting to see the Bucs feeling a bit raw about the comments to the Chiefs injuries and overall uncharacteristically poor play and coaching. Feels like the little brother is having his moment.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:31 PM   #62
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Reid coached a car wreck of a game.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:32 PM   #63
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Or you know, Andy was dealing with the fact his son may have murdered a five year old with a pending investigation about how he got the car and perhaps internal reviews of workplace drinking in the facility.

But sure, it’s more likely the NFL would want to risk a long term injury to their most profitable star by letting him get brutalized for an hour long game.

Shine on, BlackOp.
That situation happened well after the offensive game plan was already in place...

If you want to blame it Britt...go ahead. There is an army of coaches on the Chiefs that Britt isn't related to. He was an assistant defensive coach...not Vince Lombardi.

If you think professional NFL coaches cant compartmentalize...well, I dont know what to tell you. You really think Reid was thinking about his son when the game was happening? Nope...not in a million years. It's not like he died...

There is a reason the NFL props up Brady...and it has nothing to do with football.

Let's just say they find him "useful"....

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Old 02-17-2021, 12:37 PM   #64
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Maybe this has been mentioned, but I don’t recall seeing Mahomes and Reid together on the bench once. Usually we will see them sitting down discussing things, especially when it’s not going well. Possible that I either missed it or the cameras didn’t catch it, but it seemed odd and concerned me. Then it became clear that we weren’t going to do anything different and no adjustments were coming. Not an excuse, but the Britt situation seemed to factor in, even if no one acknowledged it or wants to admit it.

Devin White may be a punk, but he’s a super bowl champ and the Chiefs lost their opportunity to prevent him from running his mouth. It’s just like anything else, history is written by the victors.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:39 PM   #65
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I was fine with Reid just using 5 man line and chips to start but he should have moved to max protect pretty quickly once he saw what was going on.

The longer developing routes also made no sense.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:39 PM   #66
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What are you going to do? They were the number one ranked rushing defense in the NFL. You weren't going to just run it down their throats the entire game. They could have max protected and gave both tackles help and Suh/Veah would have got there up the middle and you would have had less receivers out in patterns which they were playing cover 2 most of the time anyway so one on one matchups weren't a big factor.

Could the game plan have been more conservative? Yes. Would it have made the score closer? Yes. Would KC have won the game? Doubtful.

Devin White is a real piece of shit taking a victory lap and trashing another team after they took advantage of a depleted offense.
They were the number 1 rush defense, yet when KC ran they were getting a pretty good yards per carry. We have the players to stretch the field and spread them out making it harder to defend the run. The problem was Andy going Andy and not running when it was working. And pretending that we were still at full strength on the OL when he should have altered the gameplan at half. But it’s clear Andy went with what worked in the first half week 12 and never had a backup plan for when it didn’t work.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:40 PM   #67
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I don't think there was a whole lot the Chiefs could have done differently adjustment-wise. I know lots of talking heads believe differently, but that's not what I saw watching the game.

The Bucs knew they could essentially get immediate pressure rushing four. They schemed their defensive approach around that basic fact. Chiefs could have played better. The receivers dropped balls they should have caught. Mahomes could have thrown a shorter, easier pass in place of the deep shot on some plays.

But when a four-man rush gets instant pressure consistently, and the opposing DBs and LBs know that, it's going to be tough sledding no matter what.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:46 PM   #68
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I don't think it was cockiness. But it did feel like Reid was distracted. The surprise was we didn't do much in the way of adjustment. But you're right, sometimes you just can't scheme around gaps if you're OL is flat out outmatched. It reminds me of the time vermeil used to scheme a brilliant first quarter offense with Jordan black which worked until the defense adjusted. While Im surprised we didn't stretch horizontally with jet sweeps etc... We did try to run and wr screen with almost no success.
Clyde was averaging over 7 a carry, Mahomes was averaging over 6. Running was working, Andy just went Reidtard, and didn’t keep it up .
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:49 PM   #69
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Ask yourself...how many "car wreck" offensive games plans has Reid devised off a bye? This one was for a SB...

It didn't even look like the same team...this is a top 10 all-time, HOF HC...and, supposedly, an offensive-minded genius.

Chiefs should give up 3 entire drafts to get the top LT...obviously its a 25 point difference in Mahomes post-season average of 34.

Who knew that the Chiefs offensive prowess hinged solely on the above-average play of Eric Fisher...*belch*

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Old 02-17-2021, 01:21 PM   #70
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The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.
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The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.
Or they knew the fix was in...

Reid's timeouts before half were the tell-tale...nobody does that...especially against Brady. Did they not watch the Packers game? Had they not realized how the officials were calling every ticky-tack instance against the Chiefs?

I knew it was coming..and said so before the PI call.

I've watched football for 40+ years and had never seen that before....they were getting the ball back after half-time anyway.

You can blame Britt if it makes you feel better...but those time outs had nothing to do with it.
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Old 02-17-2021, 01:44 PM   #72
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Or they knew the fix was in...

Reid's timeouts before half were the tell-tale...nobody does that...especially against Brady. Did they not watch the Packers game? Had they not realized how the officials were calling every ticky-tack instance against the Chiefs?

I knew it was coming..and said so before the PI call.

I've watched football for 40+ years and had never seen that before....they were getting the ball back after half-time anyway.

You can blame Britt if it makes you feel better...but those time outs had nothing to do with it.
I’m saying the NFL didn’t want us winning a SB overshadowed by Britt possibly killing a kid. They made the call after that.
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Old 02-17-2021, 01:46 PM   #73
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Damn they are insecure. Pretty much seals the deal we were the better team that wins 8 out of 10 times
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Devin is just a kid.. Doesn’t realize yet that stupid shit you say can bite you in the butt later.. Have fun with that one SB you are going to have for your career..
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Old 02-17-2021, 03:21 PM   #75
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