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Old 02-17-2021, 09:23 AM  
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A message for Chiefs about Super Bowl game plan for Patrick Mahomes, offense

One word: ouch, White didn't hold back

By Patrik Walker
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It goes without saying the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are enjoying not only the victory itself in Super Bowl 2021 over Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, but most certainly the spoils thereof. Take one look at linebacker Devin White and you'll immediately find evidence to that fact, having now gone from taking his Dream lap around Raymond James Stadium on his horse to grabbing a scalpel and surgically dissecting the Chiefs for a second time -- this time verbally. Never one to mince words, the All-Pro is fed up with hearing how Kansas City was at a disadvantage because they were without starting tackles Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz, both sidelined by injury.

To put it plainly, White wants everyone to can those excuses, tie them to a rocket and fire them into the sun, as he so eloquently made clear in a recent interview with FS1's "Undisputed." The 23-year-old laid into head coach Andy Reid, offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy and anyone else who had a hand in scheming protection for Mahomes.

"We knew that they was gonna be a cocky team, which they have every right to be," White said, via NFL reporter Dov Kleiman. "They [were] the No. 1 offense in the entire National Football League. But the thing is, we knew they couldn't block us. We knew that our front four was gonna dominate them.

"So they did us a favor. They played right into our hands."

How so? Well, White points out the Chiefs' refusal to send any help to the edges.

"We weren't gonna be that cocky team like, 'Hey, we're gonna play them in Cover One, we're gonna shut them down,'" he said. "Our best guys matched up on their best guys. We was gonna make it be a team, collective win on defense, and that's what we did. So at the end of the day they shouldn't even talk about not having their offensive tackles when they didn't even help them.

"They put them on islands by themselves with the best pass rushers in the game. So that's their own fault."

In looking at the film, White is telling the truth. Kansas City's plan to pretend their backups could play iso against the vicious defensive front of the Bucs was doomed from the start. Mahomes was under siege most of the evening and when he finally did break free at times, it was for naught, thanks to drops by franchise targets like tight end Travis Kelce and wide receiver Tyreek Hill -- with running back Darrel Williams getting in on the drop action as well. Mahomes was sacked three times and bullied much, much more than that would indicate, having also been hit a combined nine times in the game.

Shaq Barrett alone owned one of those sacks and four of those QB hits, with Ndamukong Suh and others also joining the party to keep Mahomes out of the end zone both on the ground and in the air. He'd finish with 23 incompletions and two interceptions on the day, and while he was able to muster 270 passing yards, White says they shouldn't go writing home to mother about that number.

"They started gaining yards when we were already up 21 points," said White."We already gave our little brothers the controllers, and they just started giving up little BS yards at the end. I know everybody praising Travis Kelce [for having] 133 yards, but a lot of that came at the end of the game when it was already over -- we're sitting back in zone and playing soft. The same for Tyreek Hill.

"... They gave him a lot of yards and it made it look like he had a decent day. We know what went on, there was a lot of toe tagging out there."
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:23 AM   #31
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:24 AM   #32
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He's 100% correct on the first subject. It was absurd that Reid refused to adjust when it was clear our tackles couldn't stop their edge rushers.

The second matter, he's full of crap. The only reason Kelce was remotely slowed down is because they were allowed to god damn moleste him all game.
^this^ the def holding and illegal contact that was being called on the Chiefs, wasn't called on the Bucs and it was there if you rewatch the game. This took away Pat's first read and he had little time after... Despite that, if they don't get the two horrendous DPI's before half to give them 7, and the interception negated by a BS call, and we actually catch 2 of the passes that hit our guys in the facemask we probably beat this punk ass...
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:24 AM   #33
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Of course the contrarian pillowbiter King is in here defending White.
Do you disagree with him saying our game plan played right into their hands? If you have a weak line with backups playing out of position, do you think taking deep drops and running routes and plays that take a long time to develop is a wise plan?


I'll listen off air.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:27 AM   #34
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I don't think it was cockiness. But it did feel like Reid was distracted. The surprise was we didn't do much in the way of adjustment. But you're right, sometimes you just can't scheme around gaps if you're OL is flat out outmatched. It reminds me of the time vermeil used to scheme a brilliant first quarter offense with Jordan black which worked until the defense adjusted. While Im surprised we didn't stretch horizontally with jet sweeps etc... We did try to run and wr screen with almost no success.
CEH had 9 carries for 64 yards.

I mean, the only reason the run was "no success" was because they gave up on it. Which is unforgivable, considering that it was really the only thing even remotely working - the screens were dogshit, because the line was literally not setting the screens correctly. It was horrid. At some point, you bring Sherman in to help lead block on runs and pass block on PMIIs blindside.

It was ****ing asinine, but Andy Reid is one of the greatest ever, so maybe he thought that his offensive line guru prowess would compensate for lack of chemistry, lack of continuity, lack of familiarity, and lack of talent...but it became obvious early on that the Oline was simply overwhelmed and overmatched...and you have Reid and EB, this pair of ****ing football geniuses who know more about football than I ever ****ing will...and they don't make a single adjustment all game.


**** you if don't think that sounds fishy as ****.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:30 AM   #35
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Do you disagree with him saying our game plan played right into their hands? If you have a weak line with backups playing out of position, do you think taking deep drops and running routes and plays that take a long time to develop is a wise plan?


I'll listen off air.
Andy Reid is an offensive genius and a future HOFer, so if he didn't want the backs to stay in and pass block while the WR/TEs ran shallow crosses, hooks, slants and sluggos, he must've had a reason to not make that adjustment.

Like, you know, he wasn't supposed to try and win or something.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:31 AM   #36
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Sir.

Andy Reid is an offensive genius and a sure-lock HOF head coach.

If he refused to adjust (which is supposedly something he's THE BEST at), he must've had a good reason.

Like he was told not to or something...

This isn't the first time Andy Reid has screwed the pooch by making decisions that 5th grader learns not to make while playing Madden. Situational football, down to ONE starting Olineman, Tackles who aren't actually tackles, and I'm sitting here like "you know if you kept the backs in to help block, maybe Mahomes won't have a bunch of Tampa Gay dick in his ass..."

Reid and Beniemy played into Bowles' hands because that's what they were supposed to do. That's what the script said...


Their DBs molested all of our WRs/TEs all game without flags, their Oline completely mugged our Dline, again without flags...funny how he wouldn't mention that...or how Suh punched Mahomes in the face without a penalty or Brady pushing his finger in Honey Badger's face without penalty...

So, yeah...
Hey rabble, how are you doing? I hope all is well in your world.

I don't agree with you or anyone else's NFL rigged conspiracy theories, but I don't wish to spend countless minutes and posts arguing about it. I hope when the Chiefs win another Super Bowl you can enjoy it and not let the fact you think the NFL is rigged water down your enjoyment.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:35 AM   #37
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Do you disagree with him saying our game plan played right into their hands? If you have a weak line with backups playing out of position, do you think taking deep drops and running routes and plays that take a long time to develop is a wise plan?


I'll listen off air.
Coming out and trying to outscore the Bucs offense by running the football against the best run defense in the NFL would’ve been playing into their hands as well.

The truth is, the way the game was being officiated took away our ability to run the football. You probably aren’t scoring 31+ with that OL either way.

I’ve said it over and over again. They would’ve ran the ball more if they didn’t get behind multiple scores. Once that happened, Reid probably felt his only option was Mahomes magic, and if our guys would’ve just caught the football, we would’ve been alright.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:39 AM   #38
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:40 AM   #39
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Coming out and trying to outscore the Bucs offense by running the football against the best run defense in the NFL would’ve been playing into their hands as well.

The truth is, the way the game was being officiated took away our ability to run the football. You probably aren’t scoring 31+ with that OL either way.

I’ve said it over and over again. They would’ve ran the ball more if they didn’t get behind multiple scores. Once that happened, Reid probably felt his only option was Mahomes magic, and if our guys would’ve just caught the football, we would’ve been alright.
When did I say anything about running the ball? I'm talking about how they turned a weakness into an even bigger weakness by moving Remmers and Wylie and by refusing to adjust their game plan to shorter routes and going into a more traditional west coast offense.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:40 AM   #40
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He's being disingenuous. We couldn't block their front four - that's game over right there, and he knows it.
Also on the coaching and game plan.

If we tried to get them some extra help, bring in the sausage, extra TE, WR chip them....something to try slowing them down so Mahomes isn't running for his life on every play and then that failed, then there wasn't nothing to be done.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:41 AM   #41
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Do you disagree with him saying our game plan played right into their hands? If you have a weak line with backups playing out of position, do you think taking deep drops and running routes and plays that take a long time to develop is a wise plan?


I'll listen off air.
They tried screens and they didn't work. The Bucs were all over them.

The certain weren't going to run right at Suh and Vea. That would have been suicide.

I'm interested to know what kind of gameplay would have worked considering so many think they mailed it in.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:44 AM   #42
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When did I say anything about running the ball? I'm talking about how they turned a weakness into an even bigger weakness by moving Remmers and Wylie and by refusing to adjust their game plan to shorter routes and going into a more traditional west coast offense.
Were you completely against this before the game captain hindsight? Were you talking about how stupid it was then?
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:46 AM   #43
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"They got cocky"

What do you think you're doing now, Devin?
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:48 AM   #44
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"They got cocky"

What do you think you're doing now, Devin?
I saw the opposite...I didn't think they appeared cocky at all...more like a team that hadn't been there the year before.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:54 AM   #45
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Well, he's not wrong. It was pretty silly to leave Remmers and Wylie out on an island to die.
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