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Old 11-11-2019, 05:26 PM  
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Chiefs defense is the laughing stock of league

They just spent 5min on ESPN highlighting how terrible we are....

31st against the run giving up 148yds per game
30th against the run allowing almost 5.2yds per carry

What they said was absolutely correct too; we won’t beat anyone in the playoffs in this current state.

DEJA ****ing VU fo the past decade.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:16 PM   #46
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We are now the Packers of old. Rogers wins the game or they lose. No ground attack and defense is just crap. They didn't change until Like left and we may be the same. As long as Andy has Mahomes he won't change.
At least the Packers got a ring before it became clear that the coach/GM were not surrounding Rodgers with a proper roster. Chiefs are a long, long way from championship level defense, special teams, and discipline in general.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:17 PM   #47
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It's hard to have a good defense when your entire team is soft. The most important things about defense are toughness, focus, aggression. You can make up for a lot of problems by just knocking the crap out of people.

Our team is tissue paper soft because our Head Coach is soft. I don't know how we are ever going to field a good defense with Andy hugging and kissing everyone.
From what I understand Andy is pretty hands off when it comes to the D. He basically lets the GM and DC do their thing. He will give input here and there but nothing crazy. Reid does like DCs who like to blitz though.

Our D sucks because the players aren't good. It's not scheme. GM is doing a shit job of getting talent for our D. CBs are bad, LBs are bad, Dline is average, Safeties are good but nothing spectacular. There is no way any DC can fix that.

In order to stop the run consistently, our dline and LBs have to win their one-on-one battles. There is no way around it and right now our players are not doing it.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:20 PM   #48
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They just spent 5min on ESPN highlighting how terrible we are....

31st against the run giving up 148yds per game
30th against the run allowing almost 5.2yds per carry

What they said was absolutely correct too; we won’t beat anyone in the playoffs in this current state.

DEJA ****ing VU fo the past decade.
I saw that.

So much for the 4-3 being the answer to all your run problems.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:24 PM   #49
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It's hard to have a good defense when your entire team is soft. The most important things about defense are toughness, focus, aggression. You can make up for a lot of problems by just knocking the crap out of people.

Our team is tissue paper soft because our Head Coach is soft. I don't know how we are ever going to field a good defense with Andy hugging and kissing everyone.
Andy had some great defenses in Philly under Jimmy Johnson and that was when he had his most success.

It’s basically all on Spags. I’ve seen improvement this season, but we knew this defense would take more than a year to fix in a new system.

If anything has hurt this team, it’s injuries.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:24 PM   #50
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Bring back Gunther Cunningham! NOW!


If only.......couldn't be any worse than it is now.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:26 PM   #51
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There's also a little bit of the schedule being a kick in the dick. Our Achilles heel is run defense. Wouldn't you know it, 7 of 10 games have been against top 15 run offenses. ZERO games vs bottom 10 run offenses. Wouldn't you know it, the only 3 non top 15 run offenses (green bay, Detroit, Denver) our defense looked at least semi competent.

It's not an excuse. But it's an explanation. I think we're one of several nfl teams who thought we should build D around speed and many offenses exploited that by building power run offenses.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:26 PM   #52
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They were a top 10 defense for 2 or 3 years under Sutton.
Stop dude. I don't care about bs rankings.

It didn't produce squat in the playoffs.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:28 PM   #53
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I saw that.

So much for the 4-3 being the answer to all your run problems.
Yet it had no problem stuffing the run against your shit team.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:31 PM   #54
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Yet it had no problem stuffing the run against your shit team.
Broncos beat the Titans 16-0 with Flaccid as the QB.

Same team that put 35 up on you.

At least you have Darron Lee to bring in off the bench to help cover TE's in the WC game if you get there. Your lucky the AFC West is so bad this year or there would be no WC home game this year.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:35 PM   #55
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To me it just feels like the lines (both D and O) are soft and it spreads to the rest of the team. This team played soft late in the game last weekend and had errors in ST's. Who knows what will happen the rest of the season but I think Veach needs to build from the core out.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:40 PM   #56
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Broncos beat the Titans 16-0 with Flaccid as the QB.

Same team that put 35 up on you.

At least you have Darron Lee to bring in off the bench to help cover TE's in the WC game if you get there. Your lucky the AFC West is so bad this year or there would be no WC home game this year.
Chiefs beat Donk 30 - 6 without Mahomes. The end.
Go to bed Bronco Steven, maybe with a good night's sleep you'll wake up a little less reeruned tomorrow morning.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:40 PM   #57
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Wrong narrative. Chiefs D gave up a lot of yards, but only allowed four Titans possessions to score points, the other six Titans possession were either punts or TOs. Forced a fumble which they recovered on the first Titans possession. Forced a turn-over on downs on their second-to-last possession.

Chiefs offense scored on 7 of 11 possessions. But only three for TDs. If the Chiefs offense scores just one more TD, we aren't having this conversation. And last year, the offense would've scored 5 TDs and kicked only 3 FGs.

We never expected the Chiefs D to be dominant this year, just top 18 or so. At least if we were realistic about it.

You want to lay blame, then Pat gets some for completely over-throwing Hill for an easy TD in the first half. And in the second half, though that throw had a higher level of difficulty.

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Old 11-11-2019, 07:47 PM   #58
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Andy had some great defenses in Philly under Jimmy Johnson and that was when he had his most success.

It’s basically all on Spags. I’ve seen improvement this season, but we knew this defense would take more than a year to fix in a new system.

If anything has hurt this team, it’s injuries.
I just figured that a younger Andy wasn't as soft. He's had plenty of family issues that might lead him to be more concerned with family and friends, instead of money and winning.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:52 PM   #59
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There's also a little bit of the schedule being a kick in the dick. Our Achilles heel is run defense. Wouldn't you know it, 7 of 10 games have been against top 15 run offenses. ZERO games vs bottom 10 run offenses. Wouldn't you know it, the only 3 non top 15 run offenses (green bay, Detroit, Denver) our defense looked at least semi competent.

It's not an excuse. But it's an explanation. I think we're one of several nfl teams who thought we should build D around speed and many offenses exploited that by building power run offenses.
Wrong. Houston, Indy, Titans and Lions are not great ground teams and they each went in dry on us on the ground
Our LBs are shit. That's our biggest problem on defense. We have nothing there at all
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:52 PM   #60
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To me it just feels like the lines (both D and O) are soft and it spreads to the rest of the team. This team played soft late in the game last weekend and had errors in ST's. Who knows what will happen the rest of the season but I think Veach needs to build from the core out.
Being soft shows up in the trenches more and that's where we look weakest. I just don't think that's a coincidence.

Tackling is about commitment and attitude more than talent. Our tackling is complete shit. Our guys look like they don't want to get hurt when they are tackling someone.
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