2019 Draft Ranking for Positions

[chiefforlife]

Not a good year to try for a CB1 or Safety. Makes DJLN's pick of a center sound even better...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...est-to-weakest

[htismaqe]

It's a GREAT year to try for a CB1 or S - in the 2nd round. They're not top heavy but they're super deep.

Besides, if you want to go strictly by the this article, DL and edge are both better than interior OL and the Chiefs have needs there as well.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's a GREAT year to try for a CB1 or S - in the 2nd round. They're not top heavy but they're super deep.

Besides, if you want to go strictly by the this article, DL and edge are both better than interior OL and the Chiefs have needs there as well.

I think interior OL and Edge are very similar which is good for us.

I'm just worried there won't be an edge guy there that can be a difference maker very quickly there at 29.

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's a GREAT year to try for a CB1 or S - in the 2nd round. They're not top heavy but they're super deep.

Besides, if you want to go strictly by the this article, DL and edge are both better than interior OL and the Chiefs have needs there as well.

I agree but most DL and Edge will be gone by 29. I like the idea of taking the best Center in the draft and going CB/S in the second.
I would like DL or Edge too but if there isnt a top guy there, I'll take THE top Center all day.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's a GREAT year to try for a CB1 or S - in the 2nd round. They're not top heavy but they're super deep.

Besides, if you want to go strictly by the this article, DL and edge are both better than interior OL and the Chiefs have needs there as well.

Can't agree. I don't think the CB1 options are all that great in any round.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's a GREAT year to try for a CB1 or S - in the 2nd round. They're not top heavy but they're super deep.

Besides, if you want to go strictly by the this article, DL and edge are both better than interior OL and the Chiefs have needs there as well.

There aren't any CB1s in the 2nd. There's 1 CB1 in the whole draft.

It's deep for complementary CBs but there's nobody in this draft with the ability to step in quickly and be a lock-down CB. The draft is deep there, yes, but there's just no top end at all. These guys we're calling great values in the 2nd round are in the 2nd round every year and oftentimes in the 3rd.

They're being pushed up because there's no top end and folks are looking at need ahead of prospect value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

I agree but most DL and Edge will be gone by 29. I like the idea of taking the best Center in the draft and going CB/S in the second.
I would like DL or Edge too but if there isnt a top guy there, I'll take THE top Center all day.

Well, taking a CB or S in the 2nd round isn't a "bad year for DB's".

You're kind of contradicting yourself a bit.

[O.city]

I'm not sure any of those corners are ever more than say, what Steven Nelson amounted to.

Now that's not necessarily bad, but if you're needing a top end guy, meh.

[htismaqe]

There are a few guys that could be available in the 2nd that have CB1 potential, as unlikely as that may be. None of them are going to be CB1's day 1 but then again, that's exactly why they signed Breeland to a 1-year deal is to give them that flexibility.

I'm not suggesting you draft any of them at 29, so no, I'm not pushing them up. I've never advocated drafting any of them anywhere other than our 2nd round picks or after. And I've repeatedly stated I'm not interested in trading up.

I don't care really if they draft an interior lineman at 29. But to say this is a "bad draft for DB's" just simply isn't true. It's a bad draft if you need a true shutdown guy but the Chiefs don't. They need depth and competition with upside, at both CB and S.

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Can't agree. I don't think the CB1 options are all that great in any round.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There aren't any CB1s in the 2nd. There's 1 CB1 in the whole draft.

It's deep for complementary CBs but there's nobody in this draft with the ability to step in quickly and be a lock-down CB. The draft is deep there, yes, but there's just no top end at all. These guys we're calling great values in the 2nd round are in the 2nd round every year and oftentimes in the 3rd.

They're being pushed up because there's no top end and folks are looking at need ahead of prospect value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure any of those corners are ever more than say, what Steven Nelson amounted to.

Now that's not necessarily bad, but if you're needing a top end guy, meh.

Who said the Chiefs need a top end guy right now? They need some guys they can develop.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, taking a CB or S in the 2nd round isn't a "bad year for DB's".

You're kind of contradicting yourself a bit.

Do you believe a draft must be completely bereft of 2nd day talent in order to be weak at a particular position?

It's not a good year to be looking for immediate help. At best you have some guys with the physical tools to be solid CBs upon significant development. Well hell, that's Charvarius Ward and he went undrafted. You can find a half dozen of those every single year.

What determines the 'strength' of a draft class is its top end more than its depth. You can move around within a letter grade based on depth, but what controls the letter grade itself is the top end, notably their ceiling and ability to immediately contribute.

By my eyes that's a C draft for CBs made a C+ by virtue of the depth of the class. It isn't a strong one for CBs at all. And when the top safety in the class is likely Adderley and his quality of competition concerns or CGJ and his likely long-term FS outlook, it's pretty damn hard to say that compares to say the 2010 class with Berry, Earl Thomas and TJ Ward. Your 2nd tier guys (Taylor Mays and Nate Allen) are more akin to the level of prospect you're seeing at safety in this year's draft.

It ain't a truly good DB draft class. It's adequate at best and that adequate is due to depth.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do you believe a draft must be completely bereft of 2nd day talent in order to be weak at a particular position?

It's not a good year to be looking for immediate help. At best you have some guys with the physical tools to be solid CBs upon significant development. Well hell, that's Charvarius Ward and he went undrafted. You can find a half dozen of those every single year.

What determines the 'strength' of a draft class is its top end more than its depth. You can move around within a letter grade based on depth, but what controls the letter grade itself is the top end, notably their ceiling and ability to immediately contribute.

By my eyes that's a C draft for CBs made a C+ by virtue of the depth of the class. It isn't a strong one for CBs at all. And when the top safety in the class is likely Adderley and his quality of competition concerns or CGJ and his likely long-term FS outlook, it's pretty damn hard to say that compares to say the 2010 class with Berry, Earl Thomas and TJ Ward. Your 2nd tier guys (Taylor Mays and Nate Allen) are more akin to the level of prospect you're seeing at safety in this year's draft.

It ain't a truly good DB draft class. It's adequate at best and that adequate is due to depth.

If that's the case, then this isn't really a great year for anything other than DL, edge, and TE.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Who said the Chiefs need a top end guy right now? They need some guys they can develop.

They need top end guys pretty quickly. Why wouldn't they?

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, taking a CB or S in the 2nd round isn't a "bad year for DB's".

You're kind of contradicting yourself a bit.

If you are looking for a CB1, there is ONE who wont be available at 29. So yeah, you could take one in the second but it wont be a 1. Safety may be the same situation.

So, not a good year to use a first round pick on a DB. Could get very similar value in round 2.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure any of those corners are ever more than say, what Steven Nelson amounted to.

Now that's not necessarily bad, but if you're needing a top end guy, meh.

Which is why I've said multiple times that the folks that were so gung-ho on Baker are gonna be damn disappointed when he turns out to be a slightly better version of Nelson in 2 seasons and a worse version of him in year 1.

As for the idea that there's depth to be found that could develop into a CB1 - I reiterate, how is that any different from any draft class?

Take Lattimore and Humphrey out of the 2017 draft class, make Byron Murphy your Adoree Jackson, Greedy Williams is Tre'Davious White and I think you're looking at what we have here in 2019. Most of these guys are no different than guys like Tabor, Awuzie, Witherspoon, King, etc....

Knock the top off the 2017 draft class and you're left with a class that is, at best, meh.