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O.city · 03-24-2019, 03:57 PM

Per his Instagram

Flying High D · 03-25-2019, 05:54 PM

Tony G missed 1 game in 14 seasons and didn’t want to miss that game.

Angry fan · 03-25-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

It will be nice that the opinion across the nation will now be what it should have been the last couple years....that Kelce is the best TE in football.

Kelce can't block. He's just a wide receiver. I hear this George Kittle can block.

Heck I even remember a time(broadcasting career) when Gonzalez was pointing out how he was more impressed with the tight ends who can block as well.

If George Kittle is as good of a blocker as some people say, I think George Kittle will take the title of best tight end in the game.

Redbled · 03-25-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Yes he was. Blocking. Catching. Playoffs. Clutchness. YPC better than Jerry Rice.

T-Gon has him on durability. Thats kinda it.

You can't use playoffs as an argument. Both TEs being debated had very little control of whether they made the playoffs. Or how well their teams did when there. I refer you back to coach and QB.

RobertWeathers · 03-26-2019, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

that's it?

Wow, you really never watched Gonzalez play.

The man was quick, had ups, fast, and tough to take down, Tony wad better route runner than Gronk too.

Tony didn't have the HOF QB continuity like Gronk.

I have watched T-Gon many times. Great player.

I have watched Gronk every game of his career. Have you?

RunKC · 03-26-2019, 08:25 AM

If Dee Ford isn’t a brain dead mongoloid, Gronk’s last play of his career would have been a backbreaking INT bc the ball went through his hands and sent the Patriots home.

Thanks asshole

htismaqe · 03-26-2019, 08:29 AM

Brady made Gronk.

Elvis Grbac made Gonzales. Or maybe it was Rich Gannon.

The best QB Gonzales played with was Trent freaking Green.

The fact that these idiots are even trying to sell us on this crap is hilarious.

RobertWeathers · 03-26-2019, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Redbled

You can't use playoffs as an argument. Both TEs being debated had very little control of whether they made the playoffs. Or how well their teams did when there. I refer you back to coach and QB.

Of course you use the playoffs as a part of the debate. Performing when the stakes are highest is what makes players great. If Gronk sucked in the playoffs and had a bunch of drops people would absolutely be in the right to bring that up. The fact is Gronk was double teamed almost every playoff game and over the 16 playoff games he had put up basically an All-Pro year.

You can't have it both ways. TGon had 1300 catches and 15000 yds but the QBs held him back. Quite frankly I think he made the mediocre Qbs you had better.

RobertWeathers · 03-26-2019, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Brady made Gronk.

The fact that these idiots are even trying to sell us on this crap is hilarious.

I don't think you are completely informed.

Tom Brady's Stats With And Without Gronk
SPLIT CMP ATT CMP% YDS Y/ATT TD INT RATING TOTAL
QBR
w/
Gronk 2669 4072 65.5% 32123 7.9 258 60 104.6 77.3
w/o
Gronk 974 1566 62.2% 11071 7.1 63 23 90.7 61.

htismaqe · 03-26-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I don't think you are completely informed.

Tom Brady's Stats With And Without Gronk
SPLIT CMP ATT CMP% YDS Y/ATT TD INT RATING TOTAL
QBR
w/
Gronk 2669 4072 65.5% 32123 7.9 258 60 104.6 77.3
w/o
Gronk 974 1566 62.2% 11071 7.1 63 23 90.7 61.

Nobody gives a crap what you think.

RobertWeathers · 03-26-2019, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nobody gives a crap what you think.

Well, you are wrong and the numbers prove it. Own it.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-26-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I have watched T-Gon many times. Great player.

I have watched Gronk every game of his career. Have you?

yes, practically since his Rookie year due to national exposure.

How about your viewing of Tony's Career?

RobertWeathers · 03-26-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

yes, practically since his Rookie year due to national exposure.

How about your viewing of Tony's Career?

Same. HoF player

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-26-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Same. HoF player

So you would know he had to work with outside of Trent Green Tony had to work with Grbac, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle when Gonzalez was playing in KC.

While Gronkowski had Brady for his whole career

WhawhaWhat · 03-26-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nobody gives a crap what you think.

^^

**Perineum Ripper** · 03-26-2019, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

When measuring greatness, # of games is irrelevant.

Gronk played more than enough. Its not like he played 2 seasons or was Terrell Davis.

At their respective heights, Gronk was a better player.

Look at it this way. In a Game 7 would you rather have Sandy Kofax pitching or Greg Maddux?

So you want to say people have to count playoffs, even though Tony was on shit teams and couldn’t make it. Then turn around and say people can’t hold Gronk and his shit durability against him.

Please lay out your rules for what counts and doesn’t count. So that we may all debate in this conversation with your rules.

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