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Chiefspants · 02-16-2020, 10:39 AM

I’ll be honest, I have no idea why I wrote this. It’s a way too long breakdown about the Chiefs 2019 matchup against the Ravens and examines the potential of a future rivalry. I know there are still questions about the sustainability of Lamar’s game, but TL;DR - I hope he succeeds. A Mahomes-Lamar rivalry would be incredible as Chiefs fans and stellar for the game, even if Mahomes has the upper hand. I realized when I finished writing that I had no real place to upload this, so I landed on Chiefsplanet. I totally understand if you pass on this for other threads here. With that said..

Why the potential of a Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson rivalry puts Chiefs fans in a whole new territory of fandom.

Week 3, 2019: Ravens @ Chiefs

The media was buzzing coming into Week 3 of the Chiefs 2019 season. The Ravens were the first defense that slowed down Patrick Mahomes in 2018. The Ravens were up 24-17 with a minute left in the fourth quarter. It required one of Mahomes most iconic plays of his career, two fourth down conversions, and the Chiefs topping Baltimore after an unforgettable back and forth between Mahomes and Lamar and a fourth down stand by our defense. Mahomes hitting that 48 yarder on 4th and 9 last year is arguably the most iconic play of Mahomes career. If the Chiefs don’t convert on that play, the Chiefs miss home field advantage in the playoffs. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and no one else in the NFL could make that play - and Mahomes made it.

This play, in many ways, could be the spark that set the standard for this rivalry - and little did Chiefs fans know so early in the season that the stakes would ultimately be just as high in 2019. The Ravens came in being hyped as this year’s heir apparent to the AFC and Lamar the new star to challenge Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kan...235250012.html

A fantastic article from The Undefeated chronicled the hype going into the matchup, capturing quotes like this:
“Ravens defensive coordinator Don Martindale said Sept. 19 before the game that it might be “the next Brady-Manning matchup, Ali-Frazier, Magic-Bird.” Chiefs safety Tyrann Mathieu, only slightly more circumspect, told ESPN on Sept. 20 that Mahomes and Jackson were “generational talents” who “would be a matchup to watch for the next 15 years.”’

https://theundefeated.com/features/p...-quarterbacks/

Chiefs jumped ahead 30-13 after the third quarter and those opening quarters felt like a statement that when our offense was clicking with Mahomes, no one could compete against the Chiefs. The Ravens responded in the 4th quarter. A question coming into the game was if Lamar could lead drives with his arm if his team was back against a wall. Lamar Jackson responded by putting together dynamic plays to convert on multiple 4th downs in the 4th quarter. Lamar’s plays down the stretch got a lot of attention, as he weaved his way out of pressure and put up 50-50 balls that his receivers made fantastic plays on. In response, Mahomes engineered clutch drives at the end of the game to hold off the Ravens comeback. In the past Chiefs fans grew all too used to watching our former quarterbacks give the ball back with time left in the game. Giving the opponents just enough time to lose in a heartbreak - but this time, facing a 3rd and 9 and a first down away from victory, Mahomes sealed it against who would be the #1 seed in the AFC (with a play he lobbied for with Andy).

Mahomes excellence shouldn’t diminish the Chiefs revamped defense’s role in this win, with a Frank Clark coming through with a huge sack against Lamar in the 4th to hold the Ravens to a field goal late and The Landlord being called the defensive player of the game by several analysts.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...st-Chiefs-sack

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/...yer-on-defense

Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson bring a skill set that breaks all of the traditional norms of a Quarterback in the NFL. Mahomes was criticized going into the draft for lacking a consistent throwing motion and his unconventional footwork while Lamar was pushed to give up being a quarterback altogether. Watching Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson carry their phenomenal ability to the NFL and win the MVP awards has sent shockwaves through the league. These quarterbacks are shattering the traditional expectations of play and every down brings a new potential for them to do something unforgettable. Already, national writers are arguing that the question that carried the league for two decades (how do you stop Tom Brady and Patriots?) is starting to shift for NFL front offices around the league.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playof...l-comeback-god

Growing up in central Kansas, I never had access to watch the NBA and never developed an attachment to it - but I still grew up watching highlights in history from Larry Bird and Magic Johnson’s rivalry, or Wilt the Stilt squaring off against Bill Russell. In a similar vein as a non tennis fan I often find myself still watching Roger Federer square off against Rafael Nadal. Even as someone who often spent playoff time in a state of heartbreak due to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, I still made time to watch them meet on the playoff field every January. Watching rivalries like that also gives someone a timestamp in their life to look back on whenever they think about the game. Remembering these games also allows you to remember where you were in your life at that moment. Week 3 of this year was the first time my wife sat down to watch a Chiefs game with me (I sold her on the fact it’d be a big one), and it was where she started to really understand the game and my fandom. Later in the year she would be one of the people to convince me to take a spur of the moment trip with a couple of close friends to watch the Chiefs win their first ever AFC championship in Kansas City. It’s a big part as to why I will always look back fondly to the Chiefs Week 3 matchup with the Ravens.

With the last two games between the Chiefs and Ravens being absolute classics, I can only sit back and hope the rivalry between Mahomes and Lamar becomes a legendary one over the next decade. Next year, Kansas City travels to Baltimore, and we can only hope it becomes an epic third chapter of our next fabled rivalry between two transcendental athletes, which began with an overtime win in 2018 followed by the Week 3 win in 2019.

KCJake · 02-16-2020, 12:46 PM

I loved that highlight video. Mahomes is just so damn good!

scho63 · 02-16-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Caught the replay on NFLN yesterday and D-Rob stood out as making plays.

Yup, I thought he would rise to the occasion as time passed but he seemed to have a lot of drops and not as big a threat as I thought. He did have nice TD in one of the late season games but he was horrible in the playoffs for the most part, having like 3 drops against the Texans I think.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-16-2020, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Mahomes rival is Watson, not Lamar imo.

I don't really understand the hype around Watson. Less athletic than lamar by a lot, less effective than mahomes as a passer by a lot. He's very good but not great.

Some of these young guys could have a shot. Burrow and Trevor Lawrence have potential to be really good in the NFL. The NFL is probably praying the Bengals are stupid enough to pass on burrow.

Chiefspants · 02-16-2020, 01:29 PM

Burrow and Lawrence absolutely have a shot too - but they are likely to not be landing in a situation like Mahomes did

Part of the problem the NFL faced (and why it took so long for QB’s to emerge after the Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees) class, is that so many promising QB’s would end up with incompetent GM’s and ass tastic lines. Lamar and Mahomes ended up on loaded rosters which ended up being critical to their early success. Watson did to an extent, but a lot of Texans fans are worried about the hits he’s already taken behind his previous toilet paper like lines. The situation Lawrence and Burrow get drafted into is going to be critical. Tank for Trevor is def going to be a thing next year, right?

DRM08 · 02-16-2020, 02:04 PM

Lamar was 9% on TD's in 2019. Mahomes was lower than this in 2018 for his 50 TD season. It's going to be interesting to see the regression for Lamar (on the stat sheet). The numbers he put up in 2019 are not sustainable.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-16-2020, 02:14 PM

Sum that shit up dude...

Chiefspants · 02-16-2020, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Sum that shit up dude...

Here ya are!

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

TL;DR - I hope he succeeds. A Mahomes-Lamar rivalry would be incredible as Chiefs fans and stellar for the game. Even if Mahomes has the upper hand.

candyman · 02-16-2020, 03:05 PM

JohnnyV13 · 02-16-2020, 03:18 PM

Dude, some websites like SB nation will post "Fanshots" (articles written by fans). You should submit it to something like Arrowhead Addict.

Mahomes_Is_God · 02-16-2020, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Mahomes rival is Watson, not Lamar imo.

Nah. The only dude who is even remotely close to being Mahomes' rival is Brady, and he's on his way out. Lamar has yet to win a single playoff game, and Watson hasn't been much better. Pat is already a champion. Those two ain't shit.

DRM08 · 02-16-2020, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God

Nah. The only dude who is even remotely close to being Mahomes' rival is Brady, and he's on his way out. Lamar has yet to win a single playoff game, and Watson hasn't been much better. Pat is already a champion. Those two ain't shit.

Russell Wilson

Mahomes_Is_God · 02-16-2020, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Russell Wilson

That would be an amazing rivalry but can't happen with them being in separate conferences. I do believe that Wilson is the only QB in the league who could consistenly compete with Pat in shootouts.

DRM08 · 02-16-2020, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God

That would be an amazing rivalry but can't happen with them being in separate conferences.

Yeah, it's not a rivalry but I think those are clearly the 2 best prime age QB's in football right now. They are the only two guys where you say "worth every penny" on their high dollar contract. It would be pretty cool if we can get a Super Bowl matchup with them.

Chiefspants · 02-16-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Yeah, it's not a rivalry but I think those are clearly the 2 best prime age QB's in football right now. They are the only two guys where you say "worth every penny" on their high dollar contract. It would be pretty cool if we can get a Super Bowl matchup with them.

I loved hearing about this interaction between Mahomes and Wilson at the end of our game in Seattle last year. The interaction seemed to mean a lot to Mahomes. Wilson stayed on the field with Patrick well after the game ended and since has been Mahomes biggest fan on twitter (and throughout this season’s playoffs).

Deberg_1990 · 02-16-2020, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Mahomes rival is Watson, not Lamar imo.

Mayfield and Darnold could still emerge with better coaching around them.

02-16-2020, 10:39 AM
Chiefspants World's Best Boss Chiefspants's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country	Let’s look back at the Chiefs Week 3 matchup with the Ravens I’ll be honest, I have no idea why I wrote this. It’s a way too long breakdown about the Chiefs 2019 matchup against the Ravens and examines the potential of a future rivalry. I know there are still questions about the sustainability of Lamar’s game, but TL;DR - I hope he succeeds. A Mahomes-Lamar rivalry would be incredible as Chiefs fans and stellar for the game, even if Mahomes has the upper hand. I realized when I finished writing that I had no real place to upload this, so I landed on Chiefsplanet. I totally understand if you pass on this for other threads here. With that said.. Why the potential of a Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson rivalry puts Chiefs fans in a whole new territory of fandom. Week 3, 2019: Ravens @ Chiefs The media was buzzing coming into Week 3 of the Chiefs 2019 season. The Ravens were the first defense that slowed down Patrick Mahomes in 2018. The Ravens were up 24-17 with a minute left in the fourth quarter. It required one of Mahomes most iconic plays of his career, two fourth down conversions, and the Chiefs topping Baltimore after an unforgettable back and forth between Mahomes and Lamar and a fourth down stand by our defense. Mahomes hitting that 48 yarder on 4th and 9 last year is arguably the most iconic play of Mahomes career. If the Chiefs don’t convert on that play, the Chiefs miss home field advantage in the playoffs. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and no one else in the NFL could make that play - and Mahomes made it. This play, in many ways, could be the spark that set the standard for this rivalry - and little did Chiefs fans know so early in the season that the stakes would ultimately be just as high in 2019. The Ravens came in being hyped as this year’s heir apparent to the AFC and Lamar the new star to challenge Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kan...235250012.html A fantastic article from The Undefeated chronicled the hype going into the matchup, capturing quotes like this: “Ravens defensive coordinator Don Martindale said Sept. 19 before the game that it might be “the next Brady-Manning matchup, Ali-Frazier, Magic-Bird.” Chiefs safety Tyrann Mathieu, only slightly more circumspect, told ESPN on Sept. 20 that Mahomes and Jackson were “generational talents” who “would be a matchup to watch for the next 15 years.”’ https://theundefeated.com/features/p...-quarterbacks/ Chiefs jumped ahead 30-13 after the third quarter and those opening quarters felt like a statement that when our offense was clicking with Mahomes, no one could compete against the Chiefs. The Ravens responded in the 4th quarter. A question coming into the game was if Lamar could lead drives with his arm if his team was back against a wall. Lamar Jackson responded by putting together dynamic plays to convert on multiple 4th downs in the 4th quarter. Lamar’s plays down the stretch got a lot of attention, as he weaved his way out of pressure and put up 50-50 balls that his receivers made fantastic plays on. In response, Mahomes engineered clutch drives at the end of the game to hold off the Ravens comeback. In the past Chiefs fans grew all too used to watching our former quarterbacks give the ball back with time left in the game. Giving the opponents just enough time to lose in a heartbreak - but this time, facing a 3rd and 9 and a first down away from victory, Mahomes sealed it against who would be the #1 seed in the AFC (with a play he lobbied for with Andy). Mahomes excellence shouldn’t diminish the Chiefs revamped defense’s role in this win, with a Frank Clark coming through with a huge sack against Lamar in the 4th to hold the Ravens to a field goal late and The Landlord being called the defensive player of the game by several analysts. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...st-Chiefs-sack https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/...yer-on-defense Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson bring a skill set that breaks all of the traditional norms of a Quarterback in the NFL. Mahomes was criticized going into the draft for lacking a consistent throwing motion and his unconventional footwork while Lamar was pushed to give up being a quarterback altogether. Watching Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson carry their phenomenal ability to the NFL and win the MVP awards has sent shockwaves through the league. These quarterbacks are shattering the traditional expectations of play and every down brings a new potential for them to do something unforgettable. Already, national writers are arguing that the question that carried the league for two decades (how do you stop Tom Brady and Patriots?) is starting to shift for NFL front offices around the league. https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playof...l-comeback-god Growing up in central Kansas, I never had access to watch the NBA and never developed an attachment to it - but I still grew up watching highlights in history from Larry Bird and Magic Johnson’s rivalry, or Wilt the Stilt squaring off against Bill Russell. In a similar vein as a non tennis fan I often find myself still watching Roger Federer square off against Rafael Nadal. Even as someone who often spent playoff time in a state of heartbreak due to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, I still made time to watch them meet on the playoff field every January. Watching rivalries like that also gives someone a timestamp in their life to look back on whenever they think about the game. Remembering these games also allows you to remember where you were in your life at that moment. Week 3 of this year was the first time my wife sat down to watch a Chiefs game with me (I sold her on the fact it’d be a big one), and it was where she started to really understand the game and my fandom. Later in the year she would be one of the people to convince me to take a spur of the moment trip with a couple of close friends to watch the Chiefs win their first ever AFC championship in Kansas City. It’s a big part as to why I will always look back fondly to the Chiefs Week 3 matchup with the Ravens. With the last two games between the Chiefs and Ravens being absolute classics, I can only sit back and hope the rivalry between Mahomes and Lamar becomes a legendary one over the next decade. Next year, Kansas City travels to Baltimore, and we can only hope it becomes an epic third chapter of our next fabled rivalry between two transcendental athletes, which began with an overtime win in 2018 followed by the Week 3 win in 2019. Last edited by Chiefspants; 09-18-2021 at 06:30 PM..
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Chiefspants World's Best Boss Chiefspants's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country	Burrow and Lawrence absolutely have a shot too - but they are likely to not be landing in a situation like Mahomes did Part of the problem the NFL faced (and why it took so long for QB’s to emerge after the Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees) class, is that so many promising QB’s would end up with incompetent GM’s and ass tastic lines. Lamar and Mahomes ended up on loaded rosters which ended up being critical to their early success. Watson did to an extent, but a lot of Texans fans are worried about the hits he’s already taken behind his previous toilet paper like lines. The situation Lawrence and Burrow get drafted into is going to be critical. Tank for Trevor is def going to be a thing next year, right? Last edited by Chiefspants; 02-16-2020 at 02:28 PM..
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