***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

speaking of masks, I guess the latest craze is to hang them from your rearview mirror. I saw a few cars with that today. So that's good...wear your mask then grab it with your hands and hang it on your mirror...rinse and repeat....

So where's a better place to store it? It gets plenty of heat and UV light hanging there. It may impact field of vision, which would be a negative.

And how are they supposed to get it on and off? Do they have some sort of magical hands free mask putter onner?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

Am I missing something about how much exposure is necessary to become infected?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Just talking generates respiratory droplets, ranging from 20 to 500 microm. This also shows what a mask does to reduce those droplets.

The very same droplets, 60-100 microm, can travel up to 3 ft just by breathing:

https://pubmed.ncbi..nih.gov/17542834/

If you want to argue about quality of mask and what the means in terms of droplet size, then sure. But to say just by walking past an infected person at the store with neither wearing masks won’t lead in infection seems wrong.

Feels like I’m going crazy here.

As I understand it from an article I posted a couple weeks ago it takes about 1,000 to infect you. Supposedly we expel about 900 or so per minute of normal talking and breathing. As mask can push that down to 500ish but still does not prevent it, just buys you a bit of extra time. And you might be going crazy, looked outside lately??

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

So where's a better place to store it? It gets plenty of heat and UV light hanging there. It may impact field of vision, which would be a negative.

And how are they supposed to get it on and off? Do they have some sort of magical hands free mask putter onner?

One of the biggest reasons why masks are not good for preventing you from getting it. Just from spreading it.

[lewdog]

Doctor Olathe reads one article and then quotes it forever like it’s the word of the Bible.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Someone from that party tested positive, shit isn't over, attention is just been diverted.

Millions will likely die from that pool party!

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Millions will likely die from that pool party!

I'm going to wait until all the fallout clears out and they get the bodies burned, then I'm going down to Osage Beach and buy a sweet ass mansion on the lake for pennies on the dollar.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Millions will likely die from that pool party!

Is that the Washington model? The Neil Ferguson model projects 300 million dead from that pool party I believe.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Interesting new theory on Covid19....

https://elemental.medium.com/coronav...g-2c4032481ab2

Thanks for sharing that and it explains alot of what might be happening.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Doctor Olathe reads one article and then quotes it forever like it’s the word of the Bible.

Don't you have someone to pump at the gym?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Interesting new theory on Covid19....

https://elemental.medium.com/coronav...g-2c4032481ab2

There are Lots of people in the general population with untreated high blood pressure. There’s a reason it’s a “silent killer.” These young people throwing clots and having strokes from COVID could possibly be linked to untreated BP issues.

Very interesting. Due to genetics I’ve been on an ACE inhibitor since my mid 20’s for high BP.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Don't you have someone to pump at the gym?

I went again at 5 this morning. It was fantastic and I didn’t do one exercise with a dumbbell less than 40lbs.

[KurtCobain]

Well, I am on quarantine, cannot go to work, will be broke. ****. Gotta get tested.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Interesting new theory on Covid19....

https://elemental.medium.com/coronav...g-2c4032481ab2

Thanks for posting. Lots of good info in that article. Itd be nice if they were able to figure this thing out quickly and a big part of finding a cure/vaccine is figuring out the type of virus it is.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by lewdog

There are Lots of people in the general population with untreated high blood pressure. There’s a reason it’s a “silent killer.” These young people throwing clots and having strokes from COVID could possibly be linked to untreated BP issues.

Very interesting. Due to genetics I’ve been on an ACE inhibitor since my mid 20’s for high BP.

I am not sure if people with autoimmune disease are more prone to the cytokine storm effect since the system is already hyperactive.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by KurtCobain

Well, I am on quarantine, cannot go to work, will be broke. ****. Gotta get tested.

You need anything under 50 i got you. I got paid hazard PAY