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10-30-2020, 01:18 PM | #107 | |
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It's always been "Next man up, next biggest contract", particularly with QB's. There's going to be plenty of QB's making more than Mahomes as time goes on. Lets not forget that Mahomes was ridiculed for his "team friendly deal", mostly because of the contract length allegedly not allowing him to renegotiate a better deal a few years from now. The complaint from national media pundits has been, "Oh so-and-so will make more money therefore Mahomes was stupid to make that deal". |
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10-30-2020, 01:24 PM | #108 | |
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10-30-2020, 03:08 PM | #109 |
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He wasn't a bad head coach. The Texans have 6 division titles and 4 of those came when BOB was head coach. He had 1 full season in which the Texans didn't win 9 or more games. I'm not saying he's great by any means, but he damn sure isn't terrible. I'd take him over Jon Gruden or Jeff Fischer. He's an average to maybe slightly above average HC. If he didn't get to ruin the team by being GM he'd still be there and the Texans would be in decent shape.
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10-30-2020, 03:12 PM | #110 | |
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10-30-2020, 11:22 PM | #111 | |
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10-30-2020, 11:48 PM | #112 |
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I've said more than once that behind every great QB is a coach ready to take the credit. I will also say that in the wrong environment, even a good QB will struggle. Watson is a good QB in a bad situation. He takes a lot of sacks; is the cause the offensive line, the play calling or his own inability to read the play quickly enough? I don't know. He seems to have a lot of the qualities that makes a good professional QB.
A bad coach can ruin a good QB while a great QB can make a bad coach look average. |
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10-31-2020, 08:45 AM | #113 | |
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Last year in the playoffs all I heard was that watson was just as good and would have all the same success. All while they claim the only thing that saved patrick from being a bust is the genius of Reid (who wasnt considered a genius until AFTER mahomes got here) and the fact that alex smith taught him how to play quarterback. By golly, if watson had that, he'd be the best ever. I like watson, but he gets a pass other guys do not, and they spent a lot of time pretending he didn't have an all time great to throw at. |
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10-31-2020, 09:23 AM | #114 | |
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In college you can have a great/elite QB and have a completely mediocre team, but how often does that same scenario happen in the NFL? How often do great QBs lead their NFL teams to a 3-4 win season? Hell even average to slightly above average QBs can win their team a handful of games. Look at Matt Ryan, I'd put him in that great QB column and hes had a one 4 win season and one 6 win season in 13 years. Matt Stafford since becoming the full time starter has only one 4 win season and one 6 win season. Ryan Tannehill lowest win total was 6 while he was with the trash Dolphins and had to play the Patriots 2 times a season. He won 7 games or more in every other season with them. Kirk Cousins started 3 seasons for the shit hole Washington Redskins and won 9, 8, and 7 games in those seasons he started. Matt Schaub while with the Texans 07 4-7 08 6-5 09 9-7 10 6-10 11 7-3 12 12-4 13 2-6 In the NFL all you need is an average QB to not be completely terrible. Watson is on pace for 2 wins this season, but some of you wanna act like he's some great QB that's being held back by everyone. Great QBs don't have 2 win seasons no matter how bad the coaching or team is. |
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10-31-2020, 12:03 PM | #115 | |
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Joe Montana: 1980. Started 7 games, 2-5 record. 1982. Started 9 games, 3-6 record. Joe Namath: 1976. 3-11. Drew Brees: 2003. 2-9. Carson Palmer: 2010-12. Won just 4 games in each season, out of a possible 40 games. Just a few examples. Plenty more to look at. |
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10-31-2020, 05:01 PM | #116 | |
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Remember what happened that offseason? The rest tend to be guys at the very beginning or end of their careers. And even then, exceptions dont disprove a rule. Even if watson loses a bunch this year, I still think it's an exception to something overwhelmingly true in 2020. |
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10-31-2020, 09:32 PM | #117 | |
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1980 - 2nd season in league and not even full time starter. I'm not gonna count that record since he hadn't proven he could do anything and it takes time for some QBs to adjust. 1982 - 3 wins in 9 games is still more than Watson's 1 win. We will see how many he ends up with. To be fair Joe was injured in game 2. I'd be willing to bet he was playing injured in those last 7 games. Brees 2003 - was his 3rd season in the league and was clearly not the QB he would become. Namath 1976 - Was clearly way past his prime and it was his last year in NY. After the next season he retired. Palmer - He had the Raiders at 4-5 in 2011, so I'm counting that as a win. So he had 4 wins in 2010 in his last year in Cinci and 4 wins in 2012 in his last year with Oakland. Clearly he was in the worst situation of pretty much all of these QBs. |
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11-01-2020, 03:42 AM | #118 | |
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I don’t think you’re giving him his due though when you say that you think Derek Carr is better than Watson. Because I can’t figure out how that’s possible. Watson is certainly tougher than Carr; he played a bunch of games while having a punctured lung, ffs. He doesn’t panic like Derek and start throwing interceptions all over the field. He’s obviously a lot more athletic and he can make throws from platforms that Derek can’t even imagine. Id even have to say that he’s probably better than Tannehill as well. Obviously Tannehill is improved quite a bit since his days in Miami, or the end of the day he still kind of the same one dimensional quarterback. Because once you take away the run game and he can’t run play action, he’s kind of skittish in the pocket and he starts getting blinders and throwing footballs were they really shouldn’t go. Watson doesn’t really do that. Again I’m not saying he’s great, but he’s got more talent and skills than Tannehill. Tannehill has to have a great running game, above average receivers, and a good defense, or he’s basically a league average quarterback. Meanwhile, Watson’s been playing with a bad offense of line, a rotation of not great running backs, basically one offensive weapon, and aside from a decent pass rush, one of the worst defenses in the last 3-4 years. Yet in spite of all of that, he still managed to win 10 or 11 games a year, until 2020. And in 2020 they started their season playing the defending Super Bowl champions in week one, The Baltimore ravens, the Steelers who ESPN has ranked as the best team in the NFL, the Vikings a playoff team from 2019, Tennessee a team that made it to the AFC conference game, And green bay the team that went to the NFC championship game. That has to be about the toughest schedule to open the season as I’ve seen in more than a decade. |
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11-15-2020, 07:07 PM | #119 |
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Lol DeAndre Hopkins showing you all how he made Deshaun relevant and Deshaun showed you all that hes basically Alex Smith.
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11-16-2020, 09:58 AM | #120 |
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I hate this Colin Cowherd take he spouts all the time. "Deshaun Watson was Patrick Mahomes before Mahomes. Then he got hurt and the rest is history..."
That's like saying "Goran Dragic was Steph Curry before Steph Curry" |
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