Andy Reid called me, and he asked CP to fix the offense.

[DJ's left nut]

Not a ton to do, really.

Trade for Dionte Johnson?

This offense without Brown and with a diminished Kelce is going to look a lot like last season's offense most weeks. This year's version of Rice/Kelce is about the same as last year's version of Rice/Kelce with the priorities/roles reversed.

The OL is roughly the same with Morris being similar to Smith and Kingsley being...spotty.

Worthy is an obvious upgrade on MVS but isn't in the structure of the offense yet.

This offense is going to be a lot like last season in that it's going to look as good as PM looks. If Mahomes hits a couple of those balls he missed (the Worthy deep shot was EASILY the worst; he's gotta put that ball out there and let Worthy run to it), the offense looks better.

And we've said that the last three weeks (and several times last season). "Well if X interception or Y missed shot doesn't happen, the offensive production is great..."

How to we fix the offense? Well...stop X interception or Y missed shot. And ultimately that's gonna be on Pat.

I really don't think there's any cavalry coming. The offense will excel when Patrick plays at an MVP level. To this point he hasn't done that. He's had maybe 2 or 3 quarters where he's played at that level. He's made 3 or 4 MVP caliber throws. But he's made as many completely baffling ones.

The offense is struggling a bit because PM is struggling a bit. And that's the nature of the beast when you have a generational QB.

The good news is that a struggling Patrick goes 3-0 against three quality teams because he's not a guy that's going to melt down. So we keep winning ugly until he finds his form.

History says he will.

[Kman34]

Hi Andy!!! Don’t listen to any of these idiots..

[-King-]

This could be attributed to line play but it has been a trend since Nagy came back but we run too many 1 read plays. Too many times it looks like the play is designed to go to one receiver and one receiver only which I think has killed Mahomes' creativity and his ability to hit all 3 levels of the defense. **** what the defense is doing, we need to open the offense back up again.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

This could be attributed to line play but it has been a trend since Nagy came back but we run too many 1 read plays. Too many times it looks like the play is designed to go to one receiver and one receiver only which I think has killed Mahomes' creativity and his ability to hit all 3 levels of the defense. **** what the defense is doing, we need to open the offense back up again.

We've been running those plays for years. It's not on Nagy.

But they're all on tape now. They just don't work as well.

That bootleg left that ended with a throwaway in the red-zone was a middle screen to Kelce and we've run that 50 times over the years. This time they camped on it so Mahomes had to just try to come up with a plan B.

We're not running any more 1-read plays than we ever have - teams have just seen 'em. They're just not working. Some of it comes from trying to hold things back but some of it's just a little offensive stasis.

Think about it - for the last decade or so, every year the offense started the year looking quite a bit different than the year before. At least some sort of significant variation on the theme.

Have we seen that the last 2-3 years? I really don't feel like we have. The offense is looking a LOT like it looked going back to 2022. We haven't had many new wrinkles added that I can see.

We've just gotten a little stale and that's going to show up the most in close spaces inside the 10 yard line when improvisation becomes all the more difficult.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We've been running those plays for years. It's not on Nagy.

But they're all on tape now. They just don't work as well.

That bootleg left that ended with a throwaway in the red-zone was a middle screen to Kelce and we've run that 50 times over the years. This time they camped on it so Mahomes had to just try to come up with a plan B.

We're not running any more 1-read plays than we ever have - teams have just seen 'em. They're just not working. Some of it comes from trying to hold things back but some of it's just a little offensive stasis.

Think about it - for the last decade or so, every year the offense started the year looking quite a bit different than the year before. At least some sort of significant variation on the theme.

Have we seen that the last 2-3 years? I really don't feel like we have. The offense is looking a LOT like it looked going back to 2022. We haven't had many new wrinkles added that I can see.

We've just gotten a little stale and that's going to show up the most in close spaces inside the 10 yard line when improvisation becomes all the more difficult.

I do feel like we don't run as many route variations and try to truly attack all levels of the field on each play like we used to in 2018-2022 but that's true.

Which is why my 100% never going to happen wet dream would be for Ben Johnson to accept a head coach in waiting job here. Would love to see Mahomes in his scheme.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

I do feel like we don't run as many route variations and try to truly attack all levels of the field on each play like we used to in 2018-2022 but that's true.

Which is why my 100% never going to happen wet dream would be for Ben Johnson to accept a head coach in waiting job here. Would love to see Mahomes in his scheme.

Ben Johnson is working with LaPorta, St. Brown and Williams. His OL is just as good as ours except the Lions OL focuses on the OTs where ours keys on the IOL (and yet somehow still sucks in short yardage situations).

We've just not had the personnel to get too terribly crafty for the last 2+ seasons.

We're working on it. We've added some real juice and intended to get that 3rd WR in the mix with Hollywood. But right now, we just don't have much firepower.

[notorious]

Why do I get the feeling there was a lot of heavy breathing and chewing in the background?

[mnchiefsguy]

JFC...we are one bad pass and one Buttkicker doink from scoring 30 last night.

Mahomes acknowledges he needs to play better....does anyone doubt that he will?

I sure as **** don't.

[O.city]

They do though. The completion to Watson was a perfect example of a 3 level route that Pat took too long to get to the open guy.

Hes just not playing well

[Sassy Squatch]

Through 3 games Mahomes has thrown it past 10 yards 19 times. Total. What the **** are they doing?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Through 3 games Mahomes has thrown it past 10 yards 19 times. Total. What the **** are they doing?

That’s disgusting. It’s not all the offensive line issues either. We are absolutely letting teams dictate our offense and unsurprisingly we keep making self inflicted mistakes because constantly relying on 12-15 play drives to score is hard.

Eventually a hold is called. A ball is tipped. QB makes a bad throw. A play call that might have scored if it was our 30th snap is sniffed out easily at the 50th snap (Rice middle screen where he got dinged). And on and on.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That’s disgusting. It’s not all the offensive line issues either. We are absolutely letting teams dictate our offense and unsurprisingly we keep making self inflicted mistakes because constantly relying on 12-15 play drives to score is hard.

Eventually a hold is called. A ball is tipped. QB makes a bad throw. A play call that might have scored if it was our 30th snap is sniffed out easily at the 50th snap (Rice middle screen where he got dinged). And on and on.

Defense in the NFL is dictating what's happening, are you not watching other games also?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Defense in the NFL is dictating what's happening, are you not watching other games also?

Two things. Rightfully so, Mahomes/Reid is graded against the curve. Also, he is 20th in ypa. Very similar to last year both in ypa and rank. Both a full yard lower than 2022. This isn’t a new issue.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Through 3 games Mahomes has thrown it past 10 yards 19 times. Total. What the **** are they doing?

That is vintage Nagy ball.

It was assumed that was a product of Alex Smiff during Nagy’s previous tenure as Chiefs OC.