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The Cleveland Guardians?
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/clev...guardians.html
The Major League Baseball team in Cleveland is changing its name to Guardians, the franchise announced Friday, dropping the controversial "Indians," by which it had been known for more than a century. |
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07-23-2021, 11:53 AM | #76 |
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Well they dropped the In and kept the dians. Brilliant Cleveland bravo.
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07-23-2021, 11:59 AM | #77 |
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07-23-2021, 12:10 PM | #78 |
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As probably the only Indians fan here, I'm not in love with the change. Guardians does have a lot of connection with the city so it was, in my mind, always the most likely change. I probably would have enjoyed the Cleveland Rocks more. I can live with Guardians, but the font and logo and absolute garbage. As Judas mentioned, it looks like an 80s rock album. I don't know who they used for a focus group, but I've seen dozens of better logo designs and fonts using the Guardians.
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07-23-2021, 12:15 PM | #79 | |
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As a loose example, I don't think the anti-woke Christian crowd here in America would love it if they found out a soccer team in Vietnam went by the name of the Water Walkers and Jesus was their mascot. At the games, people would show up with bloody crowns of thorns and fake nails in their hands and feet. |
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07-23-2021, 12:16 PM | #80 |
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Mascot could be a bipolar, lesbian that goes 50/50 on depression and anger for the game length with no personality other than to bitch and whine about how there's only men on the field.
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07-23-2021, 12:47 PM | #81 |
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07-23-2021, 12:53 PM | #82 |
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Traffic, weirdly enough. These are the Guardians. They're on a bridge in Cleveland.
http://www.pauldudagallery.com/image...ardian-182.jpg |
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07-23-2021, 12:58 PM | #83 |
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07-23-2021, 01:05 PM | #84 | |
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07-23-2021, 01:08 PM | #85 |
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07-23-2021, 01:45 PM | #88 |
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I think the team has done a decent job of minimizing the Native imagery that is more problematic than the name itself, but I won't be the least bit upset if they do go ahead and change it. Monarchs would be perfect and worth buying from the former T-Bones. Some other names that could be fun:
I dunno man, I get the appeal of Tradition and all that, but I simply don't feel threatened by the prospect of a name change. If anything, it's an opportunity for something new and fun. I think we would all get used to it a lot quicker than we think, too. Either way I'm not losing sleep over it! |
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07-23-2021, 01:52 PM | #89 |
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People love to say this but it simply isn't true. If you actually cared about whether Natives are offended by the mascots and logos, you'd do ten seconds of research and find plenty of writing from Natives who explain why they are. Like this guy:
He acknowledges that he doesn't speak for all Native people and that some don't care. But his larger point is that these names and logos tend to warp people's perceptions of Native history and traditions, which contributes to their overall erasure. I personally think that's reason enough to change them, or to at least for teams to connect with local tribes to work on ways to actually "honor" their history. "You're racist if you root for the Chiefs" is not helpful or true, but it's also not what most Native people who speak on the subject are saying. They would just like a little respect, and considering our history, we owe them at least that much, imho. |
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07-23-2021, 02:00 PM | #90 |
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(Also, the Native people who don't care about this subject tend to focus on much more pressing issues instead, and I get the feeling that most of the white people who lose their shit over sports team name changes would not love the Native solutions to those problems, either...)
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