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duncan_idaho 10-15-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15245936)
This might be the best video showcasing his skillset. I really like the kid alot

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Man, he's dynamic.

Only issue I really see is that he doesn't look like a "hands" catcher - more of a body catcher.

I like Chris Olave (Ohio State) a lot, too. Great separator.

RunKC 10-15-2020 10:54 AM

I just really want to see an OL, particularly a C, taken in the first 2 rounds and have another developmental IOL in the 5th or 6th.

Need to start rebuilding the OL.

Kellerfox 10-15-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15245936)
This might be the best video showcasing his skillset. I really like the kid alot

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I want to preface my post by saying I do like Stevenson. That said, the talent disparity that Houston has across the board compared to their weekly competition is astronomical. In the highlights you shared, you’re seeing a future NFL QB throwing to a future NFL WR, opposite another future NFL WR, with an OL that has 2 players already in the league and 1-2 more that might make it. The defenses, on the other hand, MAYBE have 1-2 kids who will be late round fliers.

Stevenson has a nice balance of measurable and athleticism that validates his potential. I’m not trying to invalidate him because he goes to Houston, just caution that circumstances set him up for stat production and highlight reel. When taking a prospect like him, our scouts really need to do their homework to determine if he’s a gem or the product of the system and talent around him. I trust our front office and would be excited if they do view him as a Watkins replacement.

kccrow 10-15-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15246165)
Man, he's dynamic.

Only issue I really see is that he doesn't look like a "hands" catcher - more of a body catcher.

I like Chris Olave (Ohio State) a lot, too. Great separator.

I agree with you, I just think it's mostly prevalent on deep balls and balls behind him. If you look at 1:24, then about 6 plays in a row starting at 2:04, and then another at 4:16, I think its pretty clear he can and does pluck the ball with some regularity and I've seen it in games as well. I think it's just coaching him up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 15247479)
I want to preface my post by saying I do like Stevenson. That said, the talent disparity that Houston has across the board compared to their weekly competition is astronomical. In the highlights you shared, you’re seeing a future NFL QB throwing to a future NFL WR, opposite another future NFL WR, with an OL that has 2 players already in the league and 1-2 more that might make it. The defenses, on the other hand, MAYBE have 1-2 kids who will be late round fliers.

Stevenson has a nice balance of measurable and athleticism that validates his potential. I’m not trying to invalidate him because he goes to Houston, just caution that circumstances set him up for stat production and highlight reel. When taking a prospect like him, our scouts really need to do their homework to determine if he’s a gem or the product of the system and talent around him. I trust our front office and would be excited if they do view him as a Watkins replacement.

Well sure, as is the case with alot of college players and especially any that don't play in the Big10, ACC, or SEC, but even they sometimes need some serious valuation if they play on one of the powerhouse teams. You have to look at his skill set, and he most definitely has an NFL skill set with sub 4.4 speed to boot. I posted the highlight video of his sophomore year because it's a nice sample of his abilities. I've watched quite a few of those games but I can't exactly post them. It's pretty clear that clowning DBs is not a system deal, all the while being the only major receiving threat on that team.

Sure the body of work isn't there against top competition but there isn't much you can do about that. He put up 7 for 80 and a TD plus a 13 yd rush against Oklahoma last year and 6 for 106 and 2 TD against South Florida in 2018. That South Florida team had Mazzi Williams, who at least got a shot as a UDFA in the league, and Mike Hampton, who will most likely get a similar chance so they aren't complete shit.

Buehler445 10-17-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15249025)
I agree with you, I just think it's mostly prevalent on deep balls and balls behind him. If you look at 1:24, then about 6 plays in a row starting at 2:04, and then another at 4:16, I think its pretty clear he can and does pluck the ball with some regularity and I've seen it in games as well. I think it's just coaching him up a bit.



Well sure, as is the case with alot of college players and especially any that don't play in the Big10, ACC, or SEC, but even they sometimes need some serious valuation if they play on one of the powerhouse teams. You have to look at his skill set, and he most definitely has an NFL skill set with sub 4.4 speed to boot. I posted the highlight video of his sophomore year because it's a nice sample of his abilities. I've watched quite a few of those games but I can't exactly post them. It's pretty clear that clowning DBs is not a system deal, all the while being the only major receiving threat on that team.

Sure the body of work isn't there against top competition but there isn't much you can do about that. He put up 7 for 80 and a TD plus a 13 yd rush against Oklahoma last year and 6 for 106 and 2 TD against South Florida in 2018. That South Florida team had Mazzi Williams, who at least got a shot as a UDFA in the league, and Mike Hampton, who will most likely get a similar chance so they aren't complete shit.

Yeah, that video was kind of jumpy, like the encoding was crappy or something looked like he wasn't running very fast until you put him next to a dude that ought to at least be able to run some.

The video didn't show much of his route running except on that go route where he just blew by the dude and that little shimmy looked sloppy. It would be nice to see some whole field video. Maybe it matters less than it used to with more vertical concepts in the offense now. Plus Hardman doesn't run great routes.

One good thing, is that SMU video, that safety REALLY hit him, held on to the ball and all the stuff you want to see.

Dude has some filthy moves with the ball in his hands. Wow.

kccrow 10-17-2020 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15251539)
Yeah, that video was kind of jumpy, like the encoding was crappy or something looked like he wasn't running very fast until you put him next to a dude that ought to at least be able to run some.

The video didn't show much of his route running except on that go route where he just blew by the dude and that little shimmy looked sloppy. It would be nice to see some whole field video. Maybe it matters less than it used to with more vertical concepts in the offense now. Plus Hardman doesn't run great routes.

One good thing, is that SMU video, that safety REALLY hit him, held on to the ball and all the stuff you want to see.

Dude has some filthy moves with the ball in his hands. Wow.

He's one of the few I really like this draft for KC. I also like Chris Olave from Ohio State, Kadarius Toney from Florida, and Dazz Newsome from North Carolina.

staylor26 05-01-2021 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15208066)
I love Bolton for the Chiefs at 32. Gay and Bolton would go a long way to fixing this LB group.

If Bolton is gone, I’d take a long look at Chaz Surrat as well.

Damn kccrow we should’ve just had the draft back in September and we’d be on the money this year LMAO

kccrow 05-01-2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15656476)
Damn kccrow we should’ve just had the draft back in September and we’d be on the money this year LMAO

LOL right?! I'm gonna just quit following the process when the first boards come out and call it good from now on :D


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