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ThaVirus 04-06-2020 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 14890691)
McCoy over Charles?

I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 04-06-2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14890706)
I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

Um you see Gores stats? Longevity is key here. It’s about all of the 2010s not just a couple good years

Deberg_1990 04-06-2020 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14890706)
I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

Gore was a good back, but never truly spectacular. Well 1 spectacular season. But hes kinda like another Curtis Martin. Just was always consistent.

KurtCobain 04-06-2020 04:12 PM

Charles got ****ed on this list.

ThaVirus 04-06-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14890757)
Um you see Gores stats? Longevity is key here. It’s about all of the 2010s not just a couple good years

It's definitely a longevity vs efficiency/peak argument, but look at this graph. Peterson is a no-brainer, McCoy led the decade in yards from scrimmage, and Lynch takes the decade's lead in postseason rushing stats so they all make sense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...reTool#results

Out of 48 qualified rushers, Frank Gore was #4 in rushing yards. Very nice, very cool. Except he was #1 in carries, good for #37 in YPC. Ouch.

Frank Gore scored a TD every 45th touch on average. Jamaal Charles scored a TD every 25th touch.

Jamaal Charles>>>>>>>Frank Gore

Red Dawg 04-06-2020 05:33 PM

Berry? He should be on the all injured team and over paid team. Did he even play 5 of the 10?

Red Dawg 04-06-2020 05:34 PM

I looked. 5 exactly with out missing a whole bunch of games.

Chiefaholic 04-06-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14890523)
Further goes to show how important a HC/QB combination is. 3 guys with hall of fame level talent on one line...aaannnnnddd they ****ing suck.

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, Tait..... Screwed over by one of the most inept defenses in the history of the NFL... :#:#:#:#:#:#:#

Hoover 04-06-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14890968)
I looked. 5 exactly with out missing a whole bunch of games.

Which means Charles deserves to be on the list.

Red Dawg 04-06-2020 06:09 PM

Berry should not be higher than 3rd string.

smithandrew051 04-06-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 14891019)
Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, Tait..... Screwed over by one of the most inept defenses in the history of the NFL... :#:#:#:#:#:#:#

Please don’t remind me. Horrible team management there.

Elite level OL and running game. Atrocious defense.

Draft all defense. Miss on pretty much every pick. Let the offense get old and expensive. Then proceed to ignore QB once your decent QB gets his head spiked by Cincy. Talk about doing everything wrong.

Redbled 04-06-2020 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14890588)
{sigh}


Just had to hand it off......

rtmike 04-07-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14890589)
When the AFL merged with the NFL that was it. When the All Time AFL team was announced the Chiefs Fred Arbansas was the TE. If we never played another football season Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez would be the All Time TE.

Point...Chiefs have had some TE's

and RBs, lol.

DJ's left nut 04-07-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14890857)
It's definitely a longevity vs efficiency/peak argument, but look at this graph. Peterson is a no-brainer, McCoy led the decade in yards from scrimmage, and Lynch takes the decade's lead in postseason rushing stats so they all make sense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...reTool#results

Out of 48 qualified rushers, Frank Gore was #4 in rushing yards. Very nice, very cool. Except he was #1 in carries, good for #37 in YPC. Ouch.

Frank Gore scored a TD every 45th touch on average. Jamaal Charles scored a TD every 25th touch.

Jamaal Charles>>>>>>>Frank Gore

Better player vs. better career is a hard argument to have, though.

Was Charles better at his apex? Absolutely. But did Charles do more for his teams in his 90 games and 1100 carries than Frank Gore did for his over 150 games and 2400 carries?

Pretty tough to make that argument, isn't it?

Yeah, Charles was a better player, but I don't think that's how you name guys to teams like this. You do that based on total productivity over the defined time period.

Half the battle is showing up and ultimately, Gore showed up. In a game of attrition like football, that's a wildly underrated part of it (and why I don't think Charles is a HoFer or that Davis deserved any meaningful consideration either). Over the course of the decade, Gore simply did more than Charles did.

ThaVirus 04-07-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14892002)
Better player vs. better career is a hard argument to have, though.

Was Charles better at his apex? Absolutely. But did Charles do more for his teams in his 90 games and 1100 carries than Frank Gore did for his over 150 games and 2400 carries?

Pretty tough to make that argument, isn't it?

Yeah, Charles was a better player, but I don't think that's how you name guys to teams like this. You do that based on total productivity over the defined time period.

Half the battle is showing up and ultimately, Gore showed up. In a game of attrition like football, that's a wildly underrated part of it (and why I don't think Charles is a HoFer or that Davis deserved any meaningful consideration either). Over the course of the decade, Gore simply did more than Charles did.

Honestly, I'd rather have 10 games of Jamaal Charles and 6 of some scrub free agent than 16 of the 2010s version of Frank Gore.

In either case, I understand that most wouldn't agree given Charles lack of longevity and volume, but what's the argument for Gore over Matt Forte?


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