Chris Jones threatens to Hold Out
 

Well shit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Or I won’t play. <a href="https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LeVeonBell</a> told me about this</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1278139847623028739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


UPDATE 7/12/20: Things are looking good!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m not saying this means anything, but I&#39;m also not here to tell <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMNchiefsfan</a> he can&#39;t choose to believe. <a href="https://t.co/I93PzdsUNm">pic.twitter.com/I93PzdsUNm</a></p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1282298216592150529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



UPDATE 7/14: Looks Done!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> and DT Chris Jones have reached agreement on a contract extension, per <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mortreport</a>.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1283090133173121025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wonder what happens to his franchise tag if there's no season? Does it just carry over to the next year?

Because it sure looks like they're all going to be sitting out. We're going in the exact wrong direction right now.

Supposedly MLB was going to cancel the season today but I guess it didn't happen.

It’s a tough situation made worse by Covid revenue uncertainty.

I can’t really blame him but I seriously doubt he walks on $16m.

I don’t see any reason why he’d go to training camp though

I can't hate on the guy. Showed up in the Super Bowl and was a big part of why we won. I don't think we have anywhere near the cap room, though. Nothing can be allowed to jeopardize our ability to sign Mahomes. Nothing.

If he wants to be that greedy . **** him. I have no sympathy for anybody that will bitch about making more money in one year than I'll make in my lifetime. **** him and trade him to the Bengals and let him rot.

Know the difference between 16 Million & 20 Million?

4 Million. That’s a Lot to leave on the table. It’s all relative.

Do it in increments he understands. Imagine you've got to stroke 20 hogs off but you only get to keep the juice from 16. Still feel like jacking those last four?

Sure is if you're a greedy mother ****er! Be a team player and make 120 million over the next ten years. Think you can feed your great, great, great, great grandkids on that???

Wrong Hog

Not playing and leaving 16 Million on the table is a lot too.

Methinks the Chiefs are not for long for Chris.

The locker room basketball story I think is a tip of the iceberg situation about this guy.

Dammit, Chris bad timing in this uncertainty. If there is a season play your ass off prove they would be fools to move you. Either way, you get a king's ransom.

If the chiefs had lost that Texans playoff game with Jones injured, his value would be through the roof. But the fact that the chiefs won playoff games this season without him makes his bargaining value slightly lower.

I also think Taco Charlton is going to surprise this season. Not based on anything, just a hunch.

Didn’t he say he was going to play under the franchise tag?

Did Levon Bell get a big contract by sitting out a year? He lost $20 Million by sitting out a year. Did he make that up?

Chris Jones is easily replaceable. In fact with Pennel ,Saunders and Nadi we don't need him.

And if he blows his knee out playing under the tag?

He'll be filthy rich and still sign a massive contract.

The $20 million he’s made in the NFL should provide a soft landing for him and his family.

Knees on defense are not career ending anyway.

This is a joke right?

Sure missed a damn good opportunity to trade him and get a decent pick... Now no pick and potentially no Jones.

Don’t blame him one bit. He’s proven His value for 2 years now. If I was him I wouldn’t play one down this year until I had a long term deal.

Jones is definitely worth 21 mil a year. Veach get it done!!

That can happen sure but he can also get a contract play like Houston and blow out.
There is a risk for both sides and there is an improvement in surgery and rehab every year. I don't want to lose him but Pat is priority so who do you piss off.

Nothing is happening with Jones until they know how they’re handling Mahomes. Those deals either get done together or he waits.

worst case he holds out all year. We still own his rights next year, correct? Could still trade next off season.

I must have missed that... what’s the basketball story? His injury last year?

If only you were in charge of things!

:facepalm:

Come on man the day we gave up a 1st rounder and paid Clark $20 million a year, Jones was odd man out not because of Clark but Mahomes looming contract.

Damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“[Chris Jones] always viewed himself as a 20-million-dollar-plus-per-year guy. The Chiefs frankly never did.” <a href="https://t.co/Gmfe63SdPM">https://t.co/Gmfe63SdPM</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1278129422579765251?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bets I would take for $10,000 Alex.

Based on his current decision making he won’t have any money for own kids. Bell lost so much money that he will never ever be able to recoup.

The Khalil Mack trade happened just days before the start of the regular season. I could see the same kind of situation occurring here.

A team with a ****ton of cap space like the Giants wants to quit being terrible, and they run a new 3-4/4-3 hybrid under Pat Graham. Jones would give them a sneaky great DL, and that might just be the worst division in the NFL. That's kind of what the Bears did a few years ago, and it at least got them back into the playoffs. If Daniel Jones isn't as bad as Trubisky (he's not) that could be an outstanding move for them.

Wow, some real dipshit takes here. He's the best player we have on defense - can take over games. He's a massive part of winning the Super Bowl, and people are all like "He needs to earn it" and "Be a team player." Give me a break. The dude's been the epitome of a team player and has done all the right things. Pay. Him.

Also, why is there a deadline for getting an extension done with a tagged player? That's idiotic. Dudes who are on the last year of their contracts during the regular season sign extensions all the time. Why can't guys playing on the one-year franchise tag sign extensions?

Maybe the Chiefs coaches don't value him as much as you. I kinda think he gets signed after Pat unless he lays down to much pain.

All of this. Would love to keep him but don't see how it's possible.

With the salary cap potentially going down I don't see how we can pay Chris unfortunately

Chris Jones is a very disruptive force in the middle of the line.

Mahomes is a savage though, so even if CJ ends up on another team playing against us I'm not concerned

Chris, is it worth 16 million and a legit chance to return to the Super bowl to play on a one year contract? Your choice, if its not worth that to you then sit out and potentially be traded somewhere you dont want to go, or tell us where you want to go and we'll try to make a trade. There is no wrong answer here. its your choice

I don't hate on CJ for wanting to get every dollar possible, especially now that he already is a world champion and has the ring to prove it.

Now its time to get the money, it just probably wont happen in KC

all the best CJ, thanks for helping win the Super Bowl

He got a super bowl now he just wants his money. I'm cool with that get it however you got to get it.

**** him

It's threads like this that show how absolutely reeruned a good chunk of posters are here. ****ing reeruns.

I feel bad for the guy. He's a legitimate major star in the league, and he's been great on the team. He's just in a tough position because of the Mahomes contract.

This is a situation where everyone is right and there's just not an obvious solution.

Bell was franchised a second time and it was clear Pittsburgh planned on running him into ground and getting rid of him. IIRC, the long term contract they offered didn't have that much guaranteed. I would have sat out if I was Bell.

I think the league should get rid of the franchise tag. Teams have to use it to not be at a disadvantage, but it causes so much bad blood. Get rid of it and its still a level playing field.

RBs in particular get screwed by the tag.

If he wants to sit out the season and forfeit 16 million dollars that’s on him.

Oh well.

Life will go on w/o Chris Jones. The Texans playoff game proved that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What’s understood don’t have to be explained... <a href="https://t.co/4IBh0ZvNrU">https://t.co/4IBh0ZvNrU</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1278150814423560192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ya know, I don’t find it surprising that on the last day of the final month, he puts public pressure on. 15 days to bang as many pots and pans to try and spur movement from the Chiefs.

I think this tweet and it’s timing were very calculated. The only person that benefits from no noise is the Chiefs. Now they’re in the public eye, dealing with questions and will have to fight a two front war - one at the negotiation table, and one in the media.

I would hope Veach would learn from the previous regimes mistakes with Tamba, Justin Houston and Eric Berry. Losing Chris Jones will hurt no doubt about it, but if we want the Chiefs to be a dynasty we’ve got to be able to make the tough decisions and not let ourselves get tied down by these contracts for defensive players. Let the Jerrahs and other incompetent GM’s of the world do what bad organizations do. I love Chris Jones but we need to prepare for life without him.

Careful people like dlphg9 will paint you a moron. Because he thinks money grows in an orchard and there is no limit to spending. The rules can be shit on that's how you become NE.

True story. I first heard about Le'Veon Bell watching a random Michigan State game years ago. Bell was having a stellar game, and the announcers were excitedly saying his name with every big play he made, but I had never heard of him or seen his name in writing. And I swear to God... it was the announcer who was doing the game and some sort of weird accent he had... I thought for the entire game this guy's name was Labia.

Anyway... I wouldn't be listening to Labia's labia, Chris. Dude ****ed away a year's worth of solid money all so he could make less than his asking price that he wanted from the Steelers. And the worst part is because he priced himself out like that, not only did he miss out on an entire season of good money, but his stats took a huge beating playing for that shit**** franchise led by a bottom 5 NFL head coach, which means he'll likely not see the end of that Jets contract and the next one he earns from another team is going to be "prove it" money.

It was a bold strategy, but for being all about thinking about total money in the longterm, Labia is going to lose compared to what he could have made had he compromised with the Steelers.

If you want your money, don't listen to Labia ****ing Bell.

The tag helps the majority of players who aren’t franchise quality because it helps keep the stars from eating up all the cap.

I’m with you on this.

More money then 10 of us in our lifetimes. Prima Donna's really. Pro sports money is ridiculous anymore.

We’ve got to be able to fall back on our organizations ability to draft and develop players. That doesn’t mean we become Green Bay and not spend money via free agency. We can spend money wisely to fill holes but I think Veach is smart to realize that you can’t let yourself get anchored down by bad contracts. Go get paid Chris nobody blames you.

Taking contract advice from Bell is probably not a great idea. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Doesn't matter if he holds out or not. There will not be any nfl this season.

Exactly. The guy showed up huge in the biggest game of his lifetime. He has to do what's best for himself now. Good luck to him.

Having said that, big loss for our defense if he's gone.

100% agree

So if Jones sits out aren’t we right back in this same spot next year?

Should have traded him.

Or imagine making 4 million more and not getting another Super Bowl, possibly dampening the hall of fame chances..... everything is relative. Works both ways

Imagine

I'm not going to knee-jerkingly say "**** him" and move on.

Jones has been awesome for us. Regardless of whether these hold-outs happen to the Broncos or the Chiefs, I'm always on the side of players getting their money. The sport is ruthless both on the field and on the business side, and with the majority of players having a minuscule window on when to cash-in: I'm all for these hold-out tactics.

That said, Mahomes comes first, second, and third while everything else comes afterwards.
I don't think the deal Jones' wants is going to be fulfilled by the Chiefs.

Thanks for the ring and good luck elsewhere, Chris.

See ya later. We were going to have to do some cap finangling before COVID, now it's all but impossible.

Called it long ago. He won't play on the tag. Won't get the deal he wants either. Nobody is giving him 21 mil per year. Colts ****ed this up for us wasting big money on Buckner.

Dan Sorenson did more postseason to help the team than Chris Jones did.

Joned turns out to be another greedy athlete. Would you or anyone you know turn down 15 mil for 6 months of work? Greedy like the rest of them.

has holding out ever worked out?

He's one player. He can walk.

To clarify, it’s $4 Million per year.

So we are talking about $12-20 Million total.

Being a pro athlete is a full time job but I wouldn't mind making 1.25 million per month either. That's still pretty a pretty good paycheck either way.

Nobody is paying him that.

You’re telling me that when you were in your prime of jacking off hogs for a living that you never held out until the right hog farm was willing to pay you top dollar for your skills. I don’t believe it!

There is a real chance the season - if there is one - is reeruned by the virus...the cap certainly will be. I think these guys w/o contracts are in a strange position.

I’m confident Veach will do his due diligence but I don’t think he’ll get suckered into a bad contract that anchors the team down.

Sucks, but hopefully we can time a trade with a splash signing like Clowney.

I’d think having a good chance to play in a super bowl or four would be worth a slight discount. Don’t get me wrong he’s worth the money, but damn if your going to work your ass off I’d want to have as good of a chance as I could to go to the big dance

Anthony Hitchens has a pretty bad contract, although I guess you can say his $11 million a year or whatever he makes isn't as bad as the Houston/Berry level of bad contracts.

Frank Clark absolutely needs to turn into a top 5 DE, because he's making borderline QB money after 2020. His cap numbers goes from $25.8 million in 2021, to $26.3 million in 2022, and finally $27.8 million in 2023. Clark is likely gone after 2022, because that $27.8 cap number is insane and we can get out of the contract with $21 million in savings and a $6.8 million cap hit in dead money. Overall, not the most ideal contract for someone who doesn't appear to perform to the same level of similarly paid pass rushers like Khalil Mack.

I talked to Chris Jones Sr. for a bit* at the AFCCG tailgate, and my distinct impression was Jones was uninterested in a hometown discount.

*he asked whether I was a reporter, lol

The Kansas City Chiefs circa 2010-2016 would have to bend over backwards for a guy like Chris Jones.

However, this is a different time in the life of a Chiefs' fan. We have (arguably) the best head coach in the league, the best QB on planet Earth, and one of the best defensive coaching staffs in football. We have the two leaders and anchors of the defense already in Mathieu and Clark. We have a GM who has proven time and again he can find impact players.

I want to keep Chris Jones, but the fact is that we probably can't, and it's not going to cost us any Super Bowls if we don't. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, we mounted the most epic playoff comeback in NFL history without him on the field. It's a different world for us now. We have the new Michael Jordan playing QB for us.

We'll be fine.

We don't win a title without the Clark deal, so piss off