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MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17425731)
Adonai got himself into the 1st round conversation and may be considered over Franklin because of his size. He was not a 1st round prospect or even in the discussion. Worthy already was.

There's still a solid chance Adonai doesn't go in the 1st.

I think there is no doubt about 5 of them going in the 1st and Worthy is in that group of 5. Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Worthy, Thomas. Those guys are going in 1, for sure. Zero doubt.

After those it's going to be preferences between Mitchell, McConkey, and Franklin IMO with only 1 of the 3 possibly sneaking in.

I don't think Adonai moved anywhere. The teams looking at him were already in the 20's...

Cowboys
Ravens
Bills
Steelers

This was pre-combine


maybe some of the twitter kids will move him now.

kccrow 03-02-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425737)
I don't think Adonai moved anywhere. The teams looking at him were already in the 20's...

Cowboys
Ravens
Bills
Steelers

This was pre-combine


maybe some of the twitter kids will move him now.

Those teams also pick in the high 50's where his draft stock has been sitting the entire time. Not the 20s

ntexascardfan 03-02-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17425592)
Legitimately wowed by 4.35 by Mitchell. When a guy looks 4.60 on tape consistently and then runs that speed at the combine (despite about a 0.05 delay in the timer starting with his motion), I'm just kind of like hmm, why did he never play up to that speed because it's no doubt there? It helps his case a ton but now I have as many questions going the other way.

My entire Longhorns forum had the same thought when we saw that 4.34 pop up.

Most of us were hoping to see him break 4.5.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17425739)
Those teams also pick in the high 50's where his draft stock has been sitting the entire time. Not the 20s

It was never going to be a late 2.


He was always a 1st round prospect.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419215)
Xavier Worthy (20 y/o):

2,755 yards 26 TDs

Adonai Mitchell (22 y/o) :

1,405 yards 18 TDs


Tell me again which of these two is the "alpha" :hmmm:...

:hmmm:

staylor26 03-02-2024 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425749)
:hmmm:

What a weird bump after Worthy also lit the combine up.

Plus, this is the "underwear Olympics". You don't even value it.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17425751)
What a weird bump after Worthy also lit the combine up.

Plus, this is the "underwear Olympics". You don't even value it.

It’s not nothing. It’s slightly overrated.

My top guys remain the same.

Adonai is my next WR after Odunze, that didn’t change.

I do look forward to watching Twitter declare people are now moving up and down the boards.

;)


And watching the analytics guys twist themselves in pretzels over Mitchell.

He was just so prepared today!!!

;)

kccrow 03-02-2024 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425744)
It was never going to be a late 2.


He was always a 1st round prospect.

Yes, it was. I don't know what you're referencing but not a single source I reference ever had him in the 1st round conversation. Some had him in the mid-30s to mid-40s but very few. One was Brugler, which is why I gave you more benefit of the doubt on the thought and told you I wouldn't bash you about thinking he could be our 1st round pick.

But now you're just talking shit and it's kind of just like... he might still not be a 1st round pick. Hell, I'd say it's more likely than not he doesn't crack the 1st. His production isn't that great and he doesn't pop on tape very often. And teams go back to the tape. He never once looked 4.34 fast on tape. Never. He doesn't look good in his routes. So there's a lot to digest there for teams.

Personally, I like that he did come in heavier and faster than expected. But he's still in that group that couldn't crack 1000 yards in college. He never cracked 900 yards. So he's kind of in that McConkey, Coleman, Walker, Wilson, Pearsall, etc group where you have to project a bit more.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17425774)
Yes, it was. I don't know what you're referencing but not a single source I reference ever had him in the 1st round conversation. Some had him in the mid-30s to mid-40s but very few. One was Brugler, which is why I gave you more benefit of the doubt on the thought and told you I wouldn't bash you about thinking he could be our 1st round pick.

But now you're just talking shit and it's kind of just like... he might still not be a 1st round pick. Hell, I'd say it's more likely than not he doesn't crack the 1st. His production isn't that great and he doesn't pop on tape very often. And teams go back to the tape. He never once looked 4.34 fast on tape. Never. He doesn't look good in his routes. So there's a lot to digest there for teams.

Personally, I like that he did come in heavier and faster than expected. But he's still in that group that couldn't crack 1000 yards in college. He never cracked 900 yards. So he's kind of in that McConkey, Coleman, Walker, Wilson, Pearsall, etc group where you have to project a bit more.

Looks way better on his routes and as a football player than tiny Worthy who is 40 lbs lighter.

But we are just talking in circles now.

kccrow 03-02-2024 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425780)
Looks way better on his routes and as a football player than tiny Worthy who is 40 lbs lighter.

But we are just talking in circles now.

Yeah because I disagree with you 200% on Worthy before we even get to what I've already said about Mithcell.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17425785)
Yeah because I disagree with you 200% on Worthy before we even get to what I've already said about Mithcell.

If NFL teams agree with you he won’t go in the 1st.

kccrow 03-02-2024 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17425791)
If NFL teams agree with you he won’t go in the 1st.

Which one?

I never said neither had a shot to go in the first but I have been far more confident about Worthy than Mitchell. I'm still not confident in Mitchell in the 1st. You have to put it up on the field too. Worthy did both. Epic combine. 1k WR. Torched #1 CBs. Mitchell did not. Mitchell has the potential to end up the long-term better player though, that I can see. He simply has better size, a true NFL #1 build. That doesn't mean he looks like a #1 right now because he doesn't.

dlphg9 03-02-2024 08:45 PM

How many WRs go on and have good NFL careers after having one good year in college and that wasn't even that good of a year?

MahomesMagic 03-02-2024 08:49 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top WRs by Speed Score* in the 2024 Class<br>*aka weight-adjusted 40-time (more predictive)<br><br>1. Xavier Legette (119.0)<br>2. Brian Thomas (118.9)<br>3. Adonai Mitchell (115.6)<br>4. Johnny Wilson (110.7)<br>5. Bub Means (110.1)<br>6. Cornelius Johnson (109.1)<br>7. Rome Odunze (108.1)<br>8. Devontez…</p>&mdash; Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1764086726367068400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chieftain 03-02-2024 08:50 PM

Worthy is a toothpick. You never draft toothpick sized receivers.


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