Netflix: Mindhunter
 

Anybody else watching this? Amazing show. The main characters are based on John Douglas and Robert Ressler, the first FBI agents to gain insight into the minds of serial killers by interviewing them in prison (Douglas was the basis for Scott Glenn's character in Silence of the Lambs). Set in the late 70s. I'm three episodes in and really enjoying it.

I’m only 2 episodes in and am enjoying it as well. Really well done up to this point.

I love well done period stuff. I like that everywhere they go Tench is smoking, including the planes. Those were the days!

Frazod: Sometimes all the aspects of production make up for a mediocre story, like eating at certain restaurants on Oak Creek in Sedona. They could serve you cold Spam on burnt toast and you would love it due to the view


I will be getting into it in a few days but your making me want to it now... I need 10 free h ours to bing watch it...

watched it all and it was really good. really interesting how they work into the story 30 years before, the BTK beginnings. :D

I finished it Sunday. I'm hoping, with the way it ended, that there's a second season coming?

Yes. They actually ordered a new season before the first one even aired.

Love this show. I have one episode left to watch. Highly recommend it & glad its getting another season. .

Also, I love the 70s setting. David Fincher created a great look to this show (similar to what he did with Zodiac) .

Oh and the actor that plays Ed Kemper is creepy as ****. jfc

yeah he needs to come back next season too. It's hard to play a serial Killer without coming off as a cliche or over acting the part.

yep, real good job creating the vibe in the late 70's.

About halfway through watching this. It was driving me crazy why the professor chick looked so familiar, but I couldn't place her. So I looked on the interwebs. It's the girl from Fringe.

Just finished the last episode. Great show. Holden's transformation over the course of the season was remarkable. Definitely reminds me of the Nietzsche quote about staring into the abyss, and the abyss staring back.

Glad to see all the positive remarks.I love these kind of shows and will be starting this in the next day or so.

Well had a do nothing day yesterday so I got on a roll and watched the entire season 1.

Thumbs up all the way around,I thought the acting was very good and the guy that played Kemper was creepy as hell.I thought Shepherd nailed it as well as a believable dickhead.Can't say enough about the soundtrack either as those tunes were the hits of my teen years,especially liked the use of Zeppelin's In The Light.

Lastly was Wendy....I think I'm in love and wouldn't have minded a special scene with her :D

Not a very in depth review but don't want to spoil anything,all I can say is the series is top notch and now I wonder how long I have to wait for season 2.

Finally getting around to giving this a decent airing. Looking forward to it a lot.

Had the fortune of Robert Ressler teaching for a couple of weeks in my Abnormal Psychology class at Truman. The instructor, Dr. Costa, was one of the earlier students under him at Quantico and brought him in for a mini-residency. This was just a year or so after Silence of the Lambs came out and Ressler was kind of barnstorming universities to gin up interest in forensic psych.

He had a ton of first-person face-to-face interview anecdotes, Dahmer, Bundy, Gacy, etc. And this was before 'profiling' was part of every network crime drama on earth.

That had to be awesome. I’m hoping to delve into some of this in persuit of my Criminology degree.

Fincher wants four more seasons for a total of five

Reminds me of the recent South Park episode

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Started watching it on a whim yesterday and ended up binging all ten episodes. Really good.

On episode 8. Excellent so far, but very creepy.

There's been criticism of the music cues in this series, but I've enjoyed them a great deal.

The Psycho Killer tag to the unit's sequestration to the basement might have been a little on the nose, but it tonally carried the irony of an upbeat song to a depressing development in their careers, while suggesting that the fact that they still had careers at all and were getting additional liberty to pursue their hunches was a little triumphant as well.

But the best one was the Boomtown Rats to close episode 6. Kind of puts a button on the escalation of the characters' investment in their work [Torv buying a house to be closer to the FBI] and the escalation of the crazy they are fighting.

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I had no idea that Sal Costa, adviser to the Sig Tau goat****ers, was at Quantico. Definitely makes sense why he had that Psychology of Serial Killers class.

Did they change the name of it? IIRC, it was just called Abnormal Psych when I took it.

I thought it was good, but not great. Some of it is because I think the long arc of the story is more interesting than the structure of the individual episodes, standard whole is greater than the sum of the parts stuff. One thing that does bother me is how Groff plays Ford. It makes sense that his character could become increasingly arrogant to the point of putting himself in personal and professional harm, but if you watch him within episodes he'll vacillate from naive schoolboy to dark quasi sociopath without so much as a cue, like he's unsure what to do with the character. And it's not the obvious moments, like when he's working Kemper, or Brudos, or others for info. It will happen in small scenes where he's standing in a hallway looking outside at Devier, and it really takes me out of the scene. Other times, he can bounce between earnestly confident and cowardly, but that's more a function of inconsistent writing.

There's also little reason why he gets back together with Debbie other than they just wanted to put her in two more episodes.

Overall, I found it enjoying, but it's more of a good show than a great one, IMO.

I know it was a 400 level psych class. More of a special topic that was almost impossible to get into unless you had senior status and a good SSN when it was time to register. My roommate took it. I'll have to ask him what it was like.

Two things treated similarly I had very different narrative reactions to.

I really like how they weaved in the



stuff without comment. Gave a sense of the gravity of their work in real time, and I trust it will pay off well in future season.

Didn't so much like how they introduced the



storyline. Making it seem more like a crisis of confidence and a general 'WTF' moment than anything.

Agreed on your first spoiler, had no idea on your second. Were there cues they dropped, or is that just from his bio?

I took the breakdown after he met Kemper following the suicide attempt as the first solid indication.

If I'm guessing correctly, they'll follow a similar narrative to Will Graham in NBC's Hannibal.

Can we comment on how INCREDIBLE Jonathan Groff's singing voice is? Not related to the show, I know. But still - he's one of my favorite voices on Broadway.

I didn't know he was a singer, so I looked him up. He was on Glee? ROFL

I just started watching and I love this show already.

Reminds me a bit of True Detective (Season 1) in all the best ways.

I think this show is best viewed as a whole instead of its parts. When you end this seasons journey and look back at its totality, it looks much better in retrospect than when you are watching individual shows. Great show to binge watch.

Just realized that some of the key background stuff hasn't been mentioned here

The real Edmund Kemper, compared to the dramatization

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The real Bittaker and Norris

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Yes - he was great in Glee. Spring Awakening is his great work, IMO. Of all the male leads on Broadway, his is one of my favorites (modern era).

Just finished it. It was really good. I'm not sure I've got the stomach to binge it. I didn't know about any of the killers in there besides Manson and BTK, so their creepiness and brutality was new to me.


I'll watch S2 as soon as it hits.

Disagree about the ending.

watched it a few months ago, pretty good hsow. the last scene in the last episode made me freak!

a lot of good performances on this show but his might be the best

Did you see the comparison video above?

Found it ironic that this show comes back up on CP after AP-Bio's subplot about the tickle teacher who was in teacher detention this past Sunday.

I didn"t think I'd like this but I binged the shit out of it.

The first episode wasn't that great, when Kemper shows up the show really takes off though.

yulp

Yeah. I was kind of absentmindedly into it at first because I'm a sucker for period pieces of certain eras, and then it got really good.

Yeah, I agree with the others. It does start kind of slow but hang in there. It gets a lot better. Well made TV with great acting.

Reportedly it will be Wayne Williams.

Season 2 hits August 14.

I’m ready, I think it originally was supposed to be released at the end of last fall/beginning of winter. Any idea of why it was delayed?

I can't find anything that indicates any delay. So don't know...

Some deets on who might be involved this season:Interesting to me that it's mainly about Wayne Williams. If folks haven't listed to season 1 of the podcast Monster (at the time called Atlanta Monster) it's pretty interesting.

Haven't been able to find a trailer for season 2 yet.

I adored the first season (hat tip SimplyRed). Have been waiting for this endlessly.

In the meantime, found a great serial killer podcast “Unmasking a Killer” on the Golden State Killer from the late 70s in California.

This is a great series, although the beating off to a vacant women's shoe still disturbs me.

Thanks for the update folks. This is a great show and one of the best Netflix has to offer. Netflix normally releases their show/film trailers near the premiere date so I can't wait to see some footage of Season 2. We won't have to wait too long.

Season 2 of Criminology covered it really well, and de Angelo was arrested during the season, which was pretty cool.

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Really it is like Criminal Minds on CBS but it is more deeper and you have to have not a weak stomach over it.

HYPED! Thanks for posting the teaser Baby Lee. David Fincher was pretty heavily involved with season 2 so that's great news.

And the actor that plays Kemper is so great. He was also good in the Umbrella Academy show on Netflix.

Mindhunter is as different from Criminal Minds as Star Trek is different from The Right Stuff.

CM approaches profiling as a network take on an established field of investigation, lots of theatrical shortcuts for episodic drama. [much like Star Trek treats space travel as a given and moves on to interstellar politics and drama]

MH approaches profiling as a historical, slightly dramatized, development of that field from its inception. It shows the nuts and bolts of developing a psychological foundation for investigation from thin air. [much like The Right Stuff dramatized the frustrating and eventually triumphant first steps off the surface of the earth].

It's amazing how closely the actors resemble the RL assholes they're portraying.

Just learned David Fincher was behind this and directed some of the episodes. I need to check this out.

Same with me, anything Fincher has done is usually great. I guess Jodi Foster in Panic Room was probably my least favorite film of his and that was good.

I see mentioned Silence of the Lambs connection, how about Manhunter. That's the prequel to SOL. It's a Michael Mann (Miami Vice) film from 1986 featuring William Peterson of CSI fame. It's is fantastic, Brian Cox plays the Anthony Hopkins character and Petersen is the FBI guy and his boss is Dennis Farina. It's got all the slickness of Miami Vice and has an intriguing story. I can watch over and over just like Silence of the Lambs. If you're a fan of In a Gadda Da Vida, you'll love the ending. If you're a fan of William Petersen like me, or you will be after seeing this film, don't miss To Live or Die in LA. If you have Directv, both films are on HDNET quite often.

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My body is ready

Interesting that Dewy Crowe also played Manson in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

I just watched the first 3 episodes of Season 1, and I'm hooked. It's the kind of show or movie I really like. For example The Girl on the Train or Gone Girl, I can watch them over and over. David Fincher always does well, but maybe not The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, that film the Swedish original didn't need to be remade.

I love the coloring, it's so much like Fincher's Zodiac. It is a little slow moving, but I can see since they don't have the time restraints of a 2 hour film, he can let the story develop. Anybody looking for something similar but more action, the film Manhunter I recommended earlier with William Petersen is great! I rewatch it everytime HDNET or some other channel airs it.

The slow movement of the narrative is CRUCIAL. You need to get a sense of the inertia of the knowledge of the time. The mindset, the communication channels, the data analysis infrastructure. Like trying to play chess by postal service where neither of you know the other's address.

Ed Kemper is one of the best parts of the show and I didn't even know who he was before this.

The movie Red Dragon (2002) is a remake of this movie. Anthony Hopkins is Lecter, Edward Norton is Peterson's character, and Ralph Fiennes is the villain.

Both are great movies. It's really interesting to watch the same story told from two different eras of film-making. Manhunter is a story set in the 80s and made in the 80s. Red Dragon is the same story set in the 80s, but made in the 00s.

Manhunter is one of my all time favorites. Because of the stylistic differences I found Red Dragon mostly unwatchable, even with Hopkins as Lecter. Odd how it felt like a B movie to me.

Just listened to a new episode of Atlanta Monster with an interview with John Douglas. Pretty good stuff.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/how...ter/e/62938129

We just finished Season 1, and I gave it a 10 on IMDB. Basically it's what my wife and I watch all the time. Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, these are our favorite shows. I'm also a big fan of Paula Zahn on ID Channel. We watch ID channel a couple of hours a day, usually tape the shows so I can watch later without the commercials.

I was reading about the actors, I couldn't believe that Jonathan Groff who plays Holt Ford is an openly gay actor. Wendy is played by an Australian actress who is not gay, but divorced and Holt McCallany, who plays Bill Tench has a very pretty longtime girlfriend and he'll be 56 next month. Here's some real life photos.

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Unrelated, but some of Goff’s background is in theatre and he has a gorgeous voice. During his scene at the elementary school in S1 he kept the kids entertained by singing his songs from Frozen. He has a great IRL friendship with Holt, too.

It was a struggle making it through the first episode. Maybe it was my mood but I hope it gets better.

I recommend watching the first 3-4 before making a judgment one way or the other. It's definitely a slow burn, but once you're in it's one of the most bingeable shows on Netflix.

I gotta rewatch the season probably. It's hard enough remembering everything that happens when shows take a year to air the new season, but 2 years? It's so dumb.

Young punk makes behavior science division.
Hot lesbo basically leads it despite not being FBI agent.
Serial killer beats off to shoes.
Young punk gets hug from serial killer.

Cliff notes. Yourrrrr welcom

Season 2 - Weird having The Observer and Olivia Dunham as colleagues.

Literally the only thing I remember is a bunch of flashbacks to a creepy dude that led to nothing and the main character having a panic attack after the serial killer hugged him. I don't even remember any women characters much less hot lesbos.