Joker - Warner Bros. movie
 

New teaser....I'm intrigued


https://youtu.be/t433PEQGErc

That was a creepy as hell trailer . I too am very intrigued by this . Phoenix is a fantastic actor and he looks great here.

The most unhinged actor playing the most unhinged comic book villain...a match made in heaven.

Definitely thought it looked good. I absolutely loved Heath Ledger as The Joker but it always pissed me off that we never got to see how he got to that point.

Looks ****ing pretty good.

That looks really good.

I've been tracking this project since it was announced. It seemed like a strange concept at first, then it got stranger. Rewrites on the fly during shooting, SAG called to location due to odd complaints from extras, cast members coming and going ... the production is a story unto itself. (Been intending to post on the subject, but didn't see a thread.)

I think this might become the best comic-book movie of all time. There. I said it.

Baratta producing, Frances Conroy and De Niro appearing, Todd Phillips directing and writing with Scott Silver, Lawrence Sher cinematography, scored by Hildur ... I mean, come on nah ...

Plus ... if anybody can compete with Ledger's version of the Joker, it's Phoenix. His acting skills are other-worldly.

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Wow. Phoenix is a legend unto himself - this will propel him to untold heights. Hopefully it doesn't break him (any more).

I was skeptical of this movie given; A) Ledger's unequaled Joker performance and B) Leto's mish-mash of all the ways Joker has been portrayed.

But the trailer has given me reason for optimism.

When an overrated hack like Jared Leto tries to method act his way into a 'truly twisted' Joker, you get...well, whatever that piece of shit was in Suicide Squad.

When Joaquin Phoenix takes a crack at it, you suddenly end up unreasonably intrigued by a movie you never thought needed to exist in the first place.

This is a perfect example of the difference between 'weird' and 'genius'. Phoenix is weird as hell but the guy's a brilliant actor. Leto's just weird as hell and if you let him go play weird, people will assume he's brilliant.

Phoenix has range that hasn't yet been charted. Because it's un-chartable.

The axes do not exist that can reflect a reasonable standard of measurement.

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hehe....WTF did i just watch?

I think this won't suck.

But man, this looks.....sad.

Some of the mental illness aspects of this look just a hair too damned real.

Pretty damn good

Joaquin Phoenix is a great pick for this role. Though, I do think he is stealing a lot from Robert Smith of the Cure here....

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I watched the trailer. I have no interest in seeing this. Just not my kind of thing.

He's got the laugh down.

Only thing I don't really care for is the Joker almost seems..... sympathetic?

Still looks ****ing amazing.

I'm in. It's going to be a brilliant film.

One of the best actors ever imo. I live his range. I feel like he dedicated his career to have brother.

It really does...kindve like the killing joke on how he lost everything.

Next up - "Luthor"

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All this! :clap: That manic was meant to play the DC universes best bad guy. Looks to be an origin story. How'd the Joker get so whack. Phoenix is going to rock and roll the shit out of this role.

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I think they are going to show the whole unvarnished dark truth of how a human being can fall to a "Joker" level of humanity. Phoenix can pull that off.

I'll have to wait and see... wasn't really feeling it with that trailer. It wasn't bad and I agree that there's good upside.

I drag my wife to all of the comic book movies and she goes and likes some hates others. I always show her trailers of new ones coming out and she is always like "Yeah, whatever. You will be dragging me to another one." I played this one for her last night and she got a great big smile on her face and she said she can't wait for this one. She thought everything about it looked awesome. First time she has had that reaction.

Well ... for example, I thought it was interesting that (long before this movie was greenlighted) Phoenix had expressed a desire to play a comic book villain (don't ask me why) so he asked his agent to find him something. That, in itself, is a little weird. Anyway, apparently Marvel was interested but Phoenix didn't want to commit to a multi-picture deal, so Phoenix and his agent started calling around and hooked up with Warner Bros who happened to be developing this project with Scorsese and Phillips.

Phoenix has said he liked the idea because it was a low-budget project and Scorsese was involved, so he jumped in with both feet.

Phoenix has also stated that the character scares the hell out of him and he's referred to the film as "an experience". He's not the only actor involved who has called the project "an experience - not a job", though.

There are other odd and interesting things about this project that make me think it has Phoenix written all over it. For me, that's intriguing.

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This looks dark and twisted, exactly as a Joker story should be. I’m all in.

One thing about this trailer is it doesn't seem like the Joker is doing anything wrong or illegal. Just creepy and struggling with mental illness. I'm sure that's intentional. Phoenix seems like a really good choice if I hadn't already seen Ledger perfect the character to a level that was previously unthinkable.

Wow this looks good

What's the over / under that the ending scene is Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents?

Is Joker that much older than Batman?

In this movie it looks like it. The kid behind the fence is a young Bruce Wayne.

He's running with a bag at one point, I'm guessing that was his first robbery.

My avatar approves.

That's also probably the most tantalizing trailer I've ever seen in my life. Part of the brilliance is that you know this winds up with gore and mayhem but yet he seems so vulnerable and innocent. The transition will be epic.

The best since Star Wars Episode 3.

No one just wakes up one day and says, "I want to be a villain." Everyone has a backstory, and most of them are probably tragic or twisted. Villains with no motivation are less interesting, as are villains who can't encourage at least a little sympathy from the audience. That's what made Thanos so interesting, because he actually believed that the Snapture was a good thing for the universe. Ditto for Magneto. (Not like this is a new thing, though, they've been doing it as far back as Danny DeVito's Penguin.) The bottom line is, everyone has a tragic backstory in life, but it's what you choose to do with that: do you choose to become a villain? In the same manner that movies show how a superpower isn't inherently good or evil, it's what you choose to do with it.

Holy shit. Didn’t realize this has a Scorsese/DeNiro connection to the brilliant ‘King of comedy’ from the 80s. Wow


I think I can even see a little ‘Taxi Driver’ mixed in.


http://www.darkhorizons.com/de-niro-...f-comedy-link/

This looks really damn good.

sympathetic til he snaps and goes completely nuts....can't wait for that.

hope it's rated R

Washington Post:
Movie seems to be less comic book and more early Scorsese

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...arly-scorsese/

Phillips and Phoenix are delivering a true character study — a stand-alone comic-book movie that looks more like a gritty Martin Scorsese portrait of a cackling outcast as he begins to crack up on the city’s mean streets.

This seems to be the stuff of pre-“Casino” Robert De Niro, who fittingly happens to co-star in “Joker.”

This is the textured take of a searching loser coming apart on the urban fringes — a wannabe stand-up celebrity who seems to share cinematic DNA with two iconic Scorsese/De Niro creations: Travis Bickle (“Taxi Driver”) and Rupert Pupkin (“The King of Comedy”).

eh, can't say the trailer did much for me. To be honest, looks a little boring. Guess we will see.

I noticed some here are comparing it to Scorsese flicks. That might explain why the trailer didn't really appeal to me. Never been a fan of his style.

Scorsese? You don't like...Scorsese? Goodfellas? Gangs of New York? Taxi Driver? The Departed? Wolf of Wall Street? Quiz Show? Casino? I'm not sure there's anyone I'm more fond of. The guy can take an average story and make an epic masterpiece out of it.

Backstory-based movies like The Joker have so much potential and this guy can masterfully develop every last part.

WTF? Why do you hate America?

I don’t know you. :harumph:

I’m not a big DC guy but that looks damn good.

In all of literature, sympathetic villains are the very best kind, Mr. Superturtle.

Othello, Shylock, Macbeth ... or say, Karla from the Smiley novels. They each had some sort of heartbreak, enigmatical love, or other relatable rationale as a motivation for their evil deeds.

The best antagonists have an incentive that stimulates audience empathy. Except for, perhaps, that Mr. Black Bob guy ...

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Good grief. LMAO

You know, out of all those movies, the only one I kind of liked was Gangs of New York. But I've had no desire to go back and watch it again.

Your feelings toward Scorsese are akin to finding out that Phillip Gaines was your favorite player when he was on the Chiefs. It’s just not going to easily compute for many people here.

You're making me hate James Bond, . . .

I haven't loved every single Scorsese movie. He often delves into subjects that aren't high on my personal interest list. But I've respected every single one, most more than other movies I 'enjoyed' more.

Tell me you at least appreciate the craft.

I go to a movie to be entertained not depressed. I get that many of you love those movies and thats great. I can appreciate that you enjoy the subject matter that he puts out. You have to remember, not everyone is the same and what speaks to you doesn't always speak to others.

I've never really felt entertained when watching his movies. If that diminishes me in peoples eyes, well, ok then. I'm over it.

Is it even humanly possible not to be entertained by Goodfellas?

I was just :Poke:ya. I don't really care. Whatever floats your boat is okay with me. Movies are very. very subjective.


Now, I find out you think the earth is flat.........thats a different scenerio...:hmmm:

LMAO. No issue with you whatever bud. Yours came off as a poke. The others not so much.

I'm also sorry I told you I thought your favorite player might be Phillip Gaines. That was admittedly a little harsh.

Clearly his favorite was Cassel. He explicitly said he watches the NFL for entertainment, you know chuckles and snickers, not stress and stakes.

;)

I hate clowns- especially creepy ones- Pass.

Never figured you for a Gaines lover, Mr. Halfcan.

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The budget is reportedly $55 million . Expect a big profit for Warner Bros and DC comics here .

I' m really really hoping this film delivers the goods and after seeing the trailer a number of more times , I honestly think it will. For one, Joaquim Phoenix is VERY selective with the projects he chooses (esp at this stage of his career). Really hyped for this film!

Margot Robbie got naked in Wolf of Wall Street. That speaks to EVERYBODY. :D ROFL

I can see not picking up the art-ier side of things. And certainly you have to be in a mood for some of them (the Departed for one). But you ought to give some of those films a rewatch with an objective mind. Most of them offer some really good stuff.

I’m guessing it won’t make Wonder Woman money. Especially not being connected to the rest of the universe (from my admittedly limited understanding).

I think the tone and subject matter might drive some popcorn-type money away. It might also catch heat because mental illness is a pretty hot button issue at the moment.

But it looks like it does it right. Shit looks heavy as hell.

Yep. This one appears to have a limited audience available. The kids that go see the comic book movies won't have any interest in this one.
Not because it isn't a well made, deep-dive character study that aptly probes the darkness but because of it.

I'm not sure where all the praise is being generated from that trailer. It gave no insight into the story line what so ever.

:shrug:

This honestly doesn't really look very good to me, but I've never liked the joker as much as the masses.

I liked Bane better than the Joker.

I think it signals a current appetite for more human-level comic narratives.

Kind of like, even when Guns and Roses was putting out the pinnacle of Sunset Strip Hair Band Metal, there was a huge lurking appetite for muted gritty garage band Nirvana.

Today's superhero movies are about the best they've ever been, but there's a burnout eventually on even the sheer perfection and strenuously curated awesomeness. And an appetite for grit and grime and pathos creeps in.

Can’t embed from my phone but this guy does a good job breaking it down. There is a lot to chew on here.

https://youtu.be/KloRjUEojCw

Teaser trailers rarely do. It’s all about generating tone and general vibe. A longer more story detailed trailer will appear a few months down the line.

I generally agree, but I think the Joker is a rare exception. His entire persona relies on being a total mystery. He's pure id, chaotic and unreasonable. His motives always shift and his behavior is erratic enough to stymie the world's greatest detective. Explaining how he got there kind of ruins the fun in some ways.

That said, The Killing Joke gave him a backstory and it managed to be one of the best Batman stories ever written so... :shrug:

I think a whole movie of him becoming the Joker is pretty unnecessary, but I love Joaquin Phoenix and the trailer looks good so I'm in. Of course I'm the kind of fan that likes when movies do crazy stuff with established characters. All that matters to me is if it's a good movie or not.

Looks pretty damn good.

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This is definitely ripping off Scorceses ‘The King of Comedy ‘

Except DeNiro is playing the Jerry Lewis role now.

This feels strangely disconnected from the DC universe...

This is supposed to be an else world's/DC Black type of movie. Phoenix I believe said this will be the only movie he will do for Joker.

Good final trailer. Warner Bros seems VERY confident in this one (premiering it at the Venice Film Festival). Here's hoping it delivers!

yeah This seems like a natural fit for actor and part.

As far as this is his only one....this makes a billion $’s, they offer him $100 million for #2, who’s turning that down?

Perhaps Im confused by the "DC" label, but is this Batman's Joker? This seems unrelated, and I was sort of under the impression Joker's origin story was intentionally never determined.

ya I watched the first trailer in the OP and didn't think it really looked that good. I'd watch it if it were on amazon but that's about it.

I did see some movie with Phoenix in it recently about him being some weird hit man and I made it through the entire movie, so I was entertained.

Everyone saying it's a masterpiece and Oscar buzz for Phoenix.

@firstshowing: There will be before Joker. And there will be after Joker. I don't know if the world is ready for this movie. Or maybe it is? It is GNARLY. It is crazy. It is audacious. It doesn't hold back. Wow. I can't believe it exists. But it does. And it's coming.

Looks good, but I don't see it being a big box office hit.

Reviews already on RT. Very early but 87% on 32 reviews.

Enormous potential with this one ...

I worry that they've given away too much plot via the trailers, however. There better be a good twist.

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