What's the over / under that the ending scene is Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents?

Is Joker that much older than Batman?

In this movie it looks like it. The kid behind the fence is a young Bruce Wayne.

He's running with a bag at one point, I'm guessing that was his first robbery.

My avatar approves.

That's also probably the most tantalizing trailer I've ever seen in my life. Part of the brilliance is that you know this winds up with gore and mayhem but yet he seems so vulnerable and innocent. The transition will be epic.

The best since Star Wars Episode 3.

No one just wakes up one day and says, "I want to be a villain." Everyone has a backstory, and most of them are probably tragic or twisted. Villains with no motivation are less interesting, as are villains who can't encourage at least a little sympathy from the audience. That's what made Thanos so interesting, because he actually believed that the Snapture was a good thing for the universe. Ditto for Magneto. (Not like this is a new thing, though, they've been doing it as far back as Danny DeVito's Penguin.) The bottom line is, everyone has a tragic backstory in life, but it's what you choose to do with that: do you choose to become a villain? In the same manner that movies show how a superpower isn't inherently good or evil, it's what you choose to do with it.

Holy shit. Didn’t realize this has a Scorsese/DeNiro connection to the brilliant ‘King of comedy’ from the 80s. Wow


I think I can even see a little ‘Taxi Driver’ mixed in.


http://www.darkhorizons.com/de-niro-...f-comedy-link/

This looks really damn good.

sympathetic til he snaps and goes completely nuts....can't wait for that.

hope it's rated R

Washington Post:
Movie seems to be less comic book and more early Scorsese

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...arly-scorsese/

Phillips and Phoenix are delivering a true character study — a stand-alone comic-book movie that looks more like a gritty Martin Scorsese portrait of a cackling outcast as he begins to crack up on the city’s mean streets.

This seems to be the stuff of pre-“Casino” Robert De Niro, who fittingly happens to co-star in “Joker.”

This is the textured take of a searching loser coming apart on the urban fringes — a wannabe stand-up celebrity who seems to share cinematic DNA with two iconic Scorsese/De Niro creations: Travis Bickle (“Taxi Driver”) and Rupert Pupkin (“The King of Comedy”).

eh, can't say the trailer did much for me. To be honest, looks a little boring. Guess we will see.

I noticed some here are comparing it to Scorsese flicks. That might explain why the trailer didn't really appeal to me. Never been a fan of his style.

Scorsese? You don't like...Scorsese? Goodfellas? Gangs of New York? Taxi Driver? The Departed? Wolf of Wall Street? Quiz Show? Casino? I'm not sure there's anyone I'm more fond of. The guy can take an average story and make an epic masterpiece out of it.

Backstory-based movies like The Joker have so much potential and this guy can masterfully develop every last part.

WTF? Why do you hate America?

I don’t know you. :harumph: