Devin Bush ILB
 

Saw some chatter on twitter that the Chiefs might be interested. Talk to me about him?

https://youtu.be/vroOBFGA0s4

Looks like a stud

A little undersized at 6’0” but man does he fly around

Yeah, he's a bit undersized, but if we're going to the 43, I want dudes that can run.

He can run. Put him in the middle with DOD and Hitchens around him.

Very appetizing idea.

Gotta find solid answers at CB, DL, and S still though. It’s tough.

Trade a 2nd and a 4th to the Jags for Jalen.

Tag and trade Dee for a 2nd and a 5th, draft as much d help as you can.

He has the build to play the middle. Bobby Wagner is not much taller than Bush (if at all) and Bush has the weight on his frame to play physical at impact.

He wouldn't work in an odd front very well, IMO. Just maybe not quite enough length to keep guys away from his body and getting driven out of the play unless he developed some of that Derrick Johnson voodoo that allowed him to sidestep blockers. But in a 4-3 he might be an outstanding fit.

I mean if you got the right CB prospect at #29 and Bush's height pushed him down into the back of the 2nd, that would be a homerun first 2 picks. I don't think I'd take him with the 1, but he'd be a nearly ideal 2nd rounder.

Can’t see Ramsey being traded and if he was, the deal would probably be for at least one first + other picks. Like Mack.

Bush won’t make it out of the first unless he runs slow

He's having the same kind of issues Peters is having.

He's a better corner, but still don't think he'll get what you think.

Yeah, I'm not sure he'll fall far enough in the 2nd for us to take him. If they could get a team like the Bucs to give us their 2nd and a 4th for Ford, that would be nice.

Plus I love that he's played under Harbaugh.

Probably the best corner in the league and very young. It’ll take a lot regardless of how big of an ass he is

He's good.

But, he's going to need a contract soon and the Jags may just want to move him.

Again, look at the Peters situation.

Bush is pretty big hitter with plenty of 'tude

That's my main reason for liking him.

I like Tude and hitters but I would make sure he is mentally stable so he won't smack women around or try to blow someones knees out or go out and piss on another teams logo

That kinda comes with the territory

It will be interesting to see how he runs, some of those plays he looked slow, some he looks insane.

Instincts look really good. Brings toughness and good motor.

Okay, so let’s look at it this way. You said Ramsey needs paid. He does.

So do you think they can afford to pay him $18M+, Tyreek $18M+, Jones $18M+, and Mahomes $35-40M per year? Cause that’s what we’d be looking at. I don’t see it as viable.

No, I'd keep him a few years, tag him, then let him walk.

I have watched Bush a lot (I'm an Ohio State fan), I have never been that impressed with him. I don't see a lot of elite speed, he does great against teams like Iowa, Wisconsin or power offenses, but we have scorched him year after year with Jet sweeps and crossing routes. I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round. And no, I am not a homer that cant stand any Michigan players, I liked peppers and frank clark's ability.

yeah. I'm afraid we're going to need to draft and develop secondary.

Grow our own.

I have no problem with that, really.

I don't think we'll sign many FA's on more than a couple year deal (or deals you can get out of after '21) due to Patrick's impending contract.

Not exactly similar. Ramsey is just an asshole while Peters is unstable and is a better all-around player.

Bouye is likely the one that'll be going.

They already have him under contract though.

Ramsey is about the only first round pick they hadn't screwed up in forever, is younger than Bouye and has yet to peak. He's the one they're keeping between the 2 of them.

Problem is Ramsey can be very difficult and they may just not want to deal with him.

Let's not have any chemistry problems. It's not worth it. 5 years down the road, the lockerroom could probably handle some problem children but let's keep it unified and all pulling together for now.

Usually winning takes care a lot of these problems.

Andy can handle problems. If he can't, he'll move on.

Ramsey could be had for 3 years without making a big commitment then let walk or tag and trade when he's due for a big deal.

Bush is my guy. I think he’ll be good at the combine.

Think we’re gonna have to take him in round 1

A 5' 11" LB in round one? No thanks.

Players with physical deficiencies (height, weight, speed, etc.) typically start getting drafted in round 2.

What does height really matter there though?

I mean is 2 inches going to keep him from being a good player in there?

He plays aggressive and downhill. I think we need that in the D.

Because tackling with your shoulder is what we want our LBs to be doing.

To be fair, McShay picked a couple of blowup hits to showcase there. Bush doesn't have any problems wrapping up.

What the videos really show is that Bush diagnose's plays very quickly and runs like a safety. He's a stud.

Where do you put him? SLB? MLB?

I honestly don't know. He's a lot like DOD in many ways, so you'd have to figure out a way to get them both on the field (along with Hitchens) or you've got sunk costs somewhere.

This is why I’m anxious to hear the plan for Hitchens.

I’m guessing they put him at MLB, O’Daniel at WLB, and draft a SLB.

I don’t think we use a first rounder on a LB if that’s the case. I’m eyeing D’Andre Walker from Georgia in the 2nd for that spot.

If we draft somebody like Bush or Wilson in the 1st, I’m going to assume they don’t have much faith in DOD.

They don't really even have a SLB on the roster right now. Hitchens played MLB and WLB in both Dallas and in college. DOD is a Will.

If Houston takes a paycut.....I could see him being the SLB. But I'd much rather just draft a SLB and put Hitchens at MLB and DOD at WLB.

Play bush at the SLB spot

Eh seems like a weird fit and a bit of a waste.

If we’re going to take Bush put him in the middle, Hitchens at WLB (or vice versa), and keep DOD on the bench.

Like htismaqe said, we don’t really have a SLB on the roster.

I’d look at putting bush in the middle and the other two on the outside somewhere.

I suppose you can maybe put Hitchens there

O’Daniel - Bush - Hitchens

I'd love it if Chiefs drafted Bush.

This is probably wishful thinking but..
1.LB-Devin Bush
2.CB-Amani Oruwariye
2.S-Johnathan Abram

That draft would be amazing.

Is this really CoMo :hmmm:

I've improved since my days of hoping for Manti Teo.

Only thing is..after the combine I doubt Bush will be there when we pick. Abram might be gone too.

You need a little more weight at the SAM. 240-ish at least I'd guess. you can play WLB light, 220-230-. You're not going to have Tackles, TE's and pulling Guards coming at you due to how the DL stacks up.

and I still want Jaylon Ferguson.

I have a feeling he's going to be gone. I'm seeing more and more mocks with him going in the late teens/early 20's.

most I've seen have him going in or around our spot.

I’m with you. My personal favourite prospect that is realistically attainable.

Let’s get his jersey when the Chiefs draft him!

We can only get Ferguson with the 1st if we let Ford or Houston go right?

that's a good way to get smoked in the NFL.

that would be a jimp 2 rounder, but I think Abram is gonna be a fringe first kind of guy.

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So why can't Bush play inside and let Hitchens play the SLB

Hitchens has never been a SLB. He's actually been a WLB most of his college and pro career with stints at MLB when necessary. For the Chiefs, he was playing the WILB in the 3-4.

Why can't Bush play SLB?

If that's what they do here though, where do you put DOD? I'd guess they want Hitch in the middle with DOD on the weak side, so I'd put Bush at SLB.

He's a little small for it, but he plays pretty fierce and is fast.

I'm not sure Bush can hold up at SLB for 16 games. That does seem to be the only real option though.

It would be a waste of his talents IMO.

Put Bush at MLB and keep DOD on the bench with Hitchens at WLB or put Hitchens at SLB.

So interesting thing here....but take it for what it's worth because it's Wikipedia.

Anthony Hitchens.

I wonder if he could move to SLB in our system.

I think Hitchens and DOD are our OLB's as of right now, put Bush in the middle. You have some speed at LB then.

Also with all the subs and different fronts they'll do nothing saying Hitchens has to be part of the subs.

I think if you put those 3 out there, you could potentially play the base a lot more and be able to defend in it.

That's what always made those Harbaugh 9er teams so damn good. They had badass MLB's who could do everything so they'd just stay in their base d and beat the shit out of you.

Hitchens would be a viable Sam; not sure I like him as a Will at all. In the middle I think he's passable but perhaps a little less than I'd like to see there.

If we drafted a new MLB, the LB corps seems pretty straightfoward - Hitch as the SLB, Newjack in the middle and DoD as the WLB.

Yea and if that guy is Bush that makes the team speed significantly better back there.

This team isn't that far away from a good defense.

Devin Bush for 29.

You're reaching for need if you take Bush in the 1st, IMO.

He's a fine prospect, but he's not a guy I'd be eager to take that high.

Depends what he runs I think in Indy.

He could inch up that high and be a little Hightower ish.

I like him a lot, but an added bonus is that he legit plays with a real **** you attitude. This defense needs that.

So if it came down to Bush or Wilson you’d take Wilson?

Asking because I’ve seen you say you would be ok with Wilson at 29.

Yeah but I also changed my mind since then. I don't think I'd really like Wilson at 29 either. Same with Thompson who I would've originally been pretty happy with. I think I've joined the Adderley set there and would prefer him to Thompson.

Bush and Wilson are effectively a coinflip for me at this point though I probably like Bush a little more. I'd just be surprised if the board shook out in such a way that those are going to be my preferred choices.

The combine is sort of bullshit though, right? If you watch him play multiple seasons of football and you don't think he's a first round talent, why would watching him run in shorts change that?

No matter how fast he runs or how far he jumps, he would still be a reach in the first I think.

He does play downhill and in the end that's probably what I've noticed that has moved him ever so slightly ahead of Wilson for me, though I think Wilson's a better pure athlete.

Hitchens is probably punching a little above his weight athleticially as a SLB but if you had Wilson and DoD out there with him, you'd sure be able to cover a lot of ground. Meanwhile Bush seems to just be a bit of a guided missile who could be pretty easily manipulated and you could see some pretty gaping holes in the middle with his aggression, DoD's youth and Hitchens mediocre athleticism.

I see arguments both ways but in the end it kinda just wants me to take them both off the board there. I don't know that I see either as ideal enough fits to convince me to use a 1st unless our board has just fallen to hell around us.

I'm a SPARQ whore and just can't help it. I know it's stupid but man, gimme an athlete with a coaching staff and there's something I would be willing to work with.

The problem with the 'reach' analysis is the same as it ever was, especially in the late 1st. You can't extract the kind of price for that pick that I'd need to give it up AND you're not going to have Bush in the late 2nd in all likelihood. So if you want him, you can either get some piddly as 4th round pick to trade back (and risk losing him still) or take him in the 1st.

And if that's the guy you truly think best fits your team at that time, then there's no such thing as a reach.

I still don't think I'd do it.

I agree with all of that for the most part.

Adderley, Baker, Murphy, and even Mullen would have to all be gone for me to consider Bush/Wilson. Thompson too, but from the sounds of it I’m more open to him than you are.

I’d probably even take Dexter Lawrence before those guys, but they’re all in my next tier of defensive guys that I’d prefer not to take in the 1st but I wouldn’t hate it either.

I don't know, if the 3 big name tight ends are off the board, and all the potential first round safeties, LBs, corners and pass rushers all go then I can see why you would take Bush and not consider it a reach. But unless you only have very few needs then taking a guy who's more of a second round guy is still a reach.

Insane as it sounds, I'd still rather take a pure first round talent at a premium position than draft a 2nd round talent that you have a greater need for position wise in the 1st.