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Nickhead 08-10-2018 03:13 AM

no need to tip our hat, throw everything short in pre season, as they will be looking for the long ball to start.

give it till week five, then let it rip. defenses will be looking for the deep pass. :D

ModSocks 08-10-2018 09:10 AM

Looks like a tip to me too, but i know what you guys mean when you say you've seen his deep passes flutter like that at times. It's impossible to say with that camera angle, but i'm siding with tipped ball.

kgrund 08-10-2018 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13668069)
Good breakdown here.

https://i.imgur.com/xr0HNxb.gif

I think he had Watkins over the top, which he sees, and for some reason pulled it back. Once he stepped up he had time to fire. His hesitation in pulling the trigger to Watkins led to the sack IMO. I am sure he wishes he had that one back.

The Franchise 08-10-2018 09:32 AM

His first read was Kelce. I think when he saw Watkins.....he hesitated a split second and at that time it was too late. That would have been a tipped ball for sure.

SuperBowl4 08-10-2018 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 13668651)
I think he had Watkins over the top, which he sees, and for some reason pulled it back. Once he stepped up he had time to fire. His hesitation in pulling the trigger to Watkins led to the sack IMO. I am sure he wishes he had that one back.

He could have pumped faked twice a ran for a first down

Buckweath 08-10-2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 13668651)
I think he had Watkins over the top, which he sees, and for some reason pulled it back. Once he stepped up he had time to fire. His hesitation in pulling the trigger to Watkins led to the sack IMO. I am sure he wishes he had that one back.

He certainly could (should) have pulled the trigger but it is not like Watkins has a step on his defender, but you need to trust your star receivers.

Great pocket presence BTW.

ModSocks 08-10-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13668654)
His first read was Kelce. I think when he saw Watkins.....he hesitated a split second and at that time it was too late. That would have been a tipped ball for sure.

First read was Kelce for sure. No doubt about it. He's staring right at him and he's the only guy that's actually open aside from the check down that would've resulted in no gain.

Pat was going to let it rip, but was forced to move up because Harris failed. That threw the timing off and the window to Kelce closed. He then looked to strike Watkins but it was already too late.

ModSocks 08-10-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 13668651)
I think he had Watkins over the top, which he sees, and for some reason pulled it back. Once he stepped up he had time to fire. His hesitation in pulling the trigger to Watkins led to the sack IMO. I am sure he wishes he had that one back.

I don't think that's accurate at all. And if he had tossed it up to Watkins it would've been a 50/50 ball.

This isn't training camp.

WhiteWhale 08-10-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13668668)
I don't think that's accurate at all. And if he had tossed it up to Watkins it would've been a 50/50 ball.

This isn't training camp.

Yup.

Plus you can see the reason he pulls it down is a defender going high on his throwing side. If he throws to watkins and the defender gets a piece of his arm or the ball, that's a duck begging to be intercepted.

I don't have a huge problem with that sack, but it looked like he had some underneath options.

NJChiefsFan 08-10-2018 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13667642)
OL protects him a little longer and he goes deep to the receiver breaking open.

Hill being double-covered?

TEX 08-10-2018 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13668668)
I don't think that's accurate at all. And if he had tossed it up to Watkins it would've been a 50/50 ball.

This isn't training camp.

I agree to a point. I think with the picks he's thrown in camp, it was his way of not doing something stupid, when it kinda counted more. BUT, I hope he doesn't choose that every time, because his willingness to make stuff happen is part of why KC drafted him. If it's me, I make the deep throw regardless. It's as good as a punt if it's picked off, which KC did the next play anyway. Plus, with todays refs, you never know if you can get a PI call.

Maybe he pulled it down b/c he thought it was gonna get tipped or something or his arm was possibly going to get hit - if that was the case, then it was a great decision. Because a wounded duck interception is NOT as good as a punt.

TEX 08-10-2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13668667)
First read was Kelce for sure. No doubt about it. He's staring right at him and he's the only guy that's actually open aside from the check down that would've resulted in no gain.

Pat was going to let it rip, but was forced to move up because Harris failed. That threw the timing off and the window to Kelce closed. He then looked to strike Watkins but it was already too late.

Probably what happened...

Molitoth 08-10-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13668667)
First read was Kelce for sure. No doubt about it. He's staring right at him and he's the only guy that's actually open aside from the check down that would've resulted in no gain.

Pat was going to let it rip, but was forced to move up because Harris failed. That threw the timing off and the window to Kelce closed. He then looked to strike Watkins but it was already too late.

:clap:

It is what it is... great D by Texans.

RunKC 08-10-2018 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13668069)
Good breakdown here.

https://i.imgur.com/xr0HNxb.gif

Andy said in his presser that Amaro was supposed to chip that rusher and Harris didn’t do well blocking said rusher bc of that.

Pat had Sammy downfield and saw it, but “couldn’t get there” bc of that mistake which caused the pressure and ruined the play.

ModSocks 08-10-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13668771)
Andy said in his presser that Amaro was supposed to chip that rusher and Harris didn’t do well blocking said rusher bc of that.

Pat had Sammy downfield and saw it, but “couldn’t get there” bc of that mistake which caused the pressure and ruined the play.

Oh what could've been.


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