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Dante84 09-15-2020 02:38 PM

Reports: OBJ (being shopped) & Allen Robinson (requested trade)
 
Two big name and expensive WR's may be moving to new teams.

OBJ
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> should let Odell Beckham Jr. seek a trade if they remain committed to Baker Mayfield, and one report says they&#39;re already shopping him <a href="https://t.co/avLrfbne5v">https://t.co/avLrfbne5v</a></p>&mdash; Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1305938034207191040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Allen Robinson
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Allen Robinson asks Bears to trade him <a href="https://t.co/cTsAJCojWG">https://t.co/cTsAJCojWG</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1305967326911758341?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 09-15-2020 02:39 PM

One of them will end up with the Ravens.

PattyFlakes 09-15-2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15170411)
One of them will end up with the Ravens.

I'd be fine with the Ravens adding OBJ, I don't think his skill set matches with Lamar Jackson's strengths at all, and he can add a little cancer to that locker room.

Eleazar 09-15-2020 02:53 PM

Mayfield is the one they should be getting rid of

JD10367 09-15-2020 02:53 PM

People like to bash OBJ and, sure, he's a ****ing headcase. But the dude has 5 relatively full seasons (at least 12 games played) out of 6, and in all of those seasons he went over 1000 yards. I don't know what his contract status is and how tradeable he actually is but I'd love to see the Pats give him a shot if it's affordable. Right now their offensive pass-catching weapons are pee-wee league, and OBJ would give them a legitimate receiver to take some pressure out of the run box.

lcarus 09-15-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15170441)
People like to bash OBJ and, sure, he's a ****ing headcase. But the dude has 5 relatively full seasons (at least 12 games played) out of 6, and in all of those seasons he went over 1000 yards. I don't know what his contract status is and how tradeable he actually is but I'd love to see the Pats give him a shot if it's affordable. Right now their offensive pass-catching weapons are pee-wee league, and OBJ would give them a legitimate receiver to take some pressure out of the run box.

I'm sure one of them will end up with New England.

smithandrew051 09-15-2020 02:58 PM

CHIEFS WILL GET BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pants 09-15-2020 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15170451)
CHIEFS WILL GET BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO

Mecca 09-15-2020 03:00 PM

OBJ to the Packers makes way to much sense...so they won't do it.

Hoover 09-15-2020 03:05 PM

Bill O'Brien is pissed that he's all out of draft picks

Chiefspants 09-15-2020 03:06 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if San Fran reaches out here (if they can make the $ work). They were missing Emmanuel badly last week and that division is going to be a constant heavyweight fight this year.

I actually just kind of want this to happen. The NFCW has been a full arms race since last year, where SF added Sanders, the Rams added Ramsey and so forth. In the offseason the Cards added Hopkins (then SEA with Adams). There is ridiculous big name talent in that division and I hope the arms race continues.

Marcellus 09-15-2020 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15170456)
OBJ to the Packers makes way to much sense...so they won't do it.

Something we can agree on.

Marcellus 09-15-2020 03:12 PM

So I didn't see it because I haven't been here much the last few weeks but did the whole OBJ liking to be shit on by women story that hit twitter last week get posted here?

TribalElder 09-15-2020 03:12 PM

I don't think OBJ is very good

He had one highlight reel catch that didn't amount to shit
(I'm not even sure his team won the game that he made the catch in)

Spott 09-15-2020 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 15170497)
I don't think OBJ is very good

He had one highlight reel catch that didn't amount to shit
(I'm not even sure his team won the game that he made the catch in)

They did lose that game to Dallas.

TribalElder 09-15-2020 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 15170506)
They did lose that game to Dallas.

ROFL

and that's basically my opinion of OBJ

He eeks out one personal highlight and the team he played for loses

no thanks

The Franchise 09-15-2020 03:19 PM

I could see the 49ers going after one of them.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-15-2020 03:21 PM

They should just trade with each other and maybe both can be happy.

Robinson to Cleveland
OBJ to Chicago.

JD10367 09-15-2020 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 15170497)
I don't think OBJ is very good

:spock:

Dude's a top 10 WR. Take his personality out of it. Like I said, 5 seasons of 12+ games, 5 seasons over 1000 yards. That's not accidental. I'm not saying he's the second coming of Jerry Rice, but "not very good" is crazy. Overpriced? Sure. Overrated? Not as much as he used to be. He's top 10, not #1. But he's pretty good. I'd like to see what he looks like with a decent QB.

Red Dawg 09-15-2020 03:23 PM

He will be in Tampa. He is gay for Brady.

Red Dawg 09-15-2020 03:23 PM

Maybe Seattle.

JD10367 09-15-2020 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15170527)
They should just trade with each other and maybe both can be happy.

Robinson to Cleveland
OBJ to Chicago.

What the hell did Robinson ever do to you, man? Why would you wish that on anyone? Shit, they're one step above the Jets. Given this weekend I think I'd rather go to Jacksonville even.

htismaqe 09-15-2020 03:26 PM

If there were any justice in the universe, Allen Robinson would go to the Packers. It's too bad intra-division trades are so hard to pull off.

OnTheWarpath15 09-15-2020 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15170539)
If there were any justice in the universe, Allen Robinson would go to the Packers. It's too bad intra-division trades are so hard to pull off.

I just hope he goes somewhere with competent QB play.

Dude puts up numbers (when healthy) and his QB's have been Bortles and Trubisky.

Imagine what he'd do with a good QB.

Coach 09-15-2020 03:37 PM

Imagine having Allen Robinson here.....

For the 11 personell...
Hill
Watkins
Allen Robinson
Kelce
CEH

Yeah, you ain't defending shit there.

As for OBJ, hard pass.

PattyFlakes 09-15-2020 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 15170550)
I just hope he goes somewhere with competent QB play.

Dude puts up numbers (when healthy) and his QB's have been Bortles and Trubisky.

Imagine what he'd do with a good QB.

Robinson is extremely underrated. He's put up great numbers with absolute shit at QB his entire career. Can't imagine what he'd do with an actual legit QB throwing him the ball.

htismaqe 09-15-2020 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15170557)
Imagine having Allen Robinson here.....

For the 11 personell...
Hill
Watkins
Allen Robinson
Kelce
CEH

Yeah, you ain't defending shit there.

I would love to have Robinson here. It ain't happening. But man that would be awesome.

Coach 09-15-2020 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15170562)
I would love to have Robinson here. It ain't happening. But man that would be awesome.

Yeah, I know it's very unrealistic.

Still, it's just fun to imagine it. Even on a 00 personnel, that's 3 legit WR's on the field.

MahiMike 09-15-2020 04:50 PM

I don't see Mayfield in Cleveland next year (or whenever his 1st contract runs out).

JakeF 09-15-2020 04:54 PM

OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

Chiefshrink 09-15-2020 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15170441)
People like to bash OBJ and, sure, he's a ****ing headcase. But the dude has 5 relatively full seasons (at least 12 games played) out of 6, and in all of those seasons he went over 1000 yards. I don't know what his contract status is and how tradeable he actually is but I'd love to see the Pats give him a shot if it's affordable. Right now their offensive pass-catching weapons are pee-wee league, and OBJ would give them a legitimate receiver to take some pressure out of the run box.

But unfortunately his cancerous attitude trumps his stats. Good luck on finding a trading partner that will give you what 'you think' is fair.;)

Chiefshrink 09-15-2020 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 15170689)
I don't see Mayfield in Cleveland next year (or whenever his 1st contract runs out).

Progressive hasn't figured out yet this guy is a bust. ROFL

Chiefshrink 09-15-2020 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15170562)
I would love to have Robinson here. It ain't happening. But man that would be awesome.

Agreed. And when Robbie Anderson was available I liked him a lot as well.

KChiefs1 09-15-2020 05:04 PM

Maybe we can trade DRob for ARob?

Chiefshrink 09-15-2020 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15170717)
Maybe we can trade DRob for ARob?

I'm sure Reid/Veach saw the numbers ($$) and DRob is cheaper to keep and although Robinson has better hands there wasn't that much difference in route running and blocking skills let alone Allen's injury history along with the fact he is older to justify this move.

Mecca 09-15-2020 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15170557)
Imagine having Allen Robinson here.....

For the 11 personell...
Hill
Watkins
Allen Robinson
Kelce
CEH

Yeah, you ain't defending shit there.

As for OBJ, hard pass.

Just know this team chose Watkins over Robinson in FA. They got very similar contracts and were the top 2 WRS that year.

htismaqe 09-15-2020 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

ROFL

Mecca 09-15-2020 05:26 PM

OBJ "is a cancer" cause he's been on shit holes. Trade him to Aaron Rodgers and get back to me on that.

Pablo 09-15-2020 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

I guarantee your father wishes he had smothered you when he had the chance.

Frazod 09-15-2020 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15170717)
Maybe we can trade DRob for ARob?

Well, if anybody's dumb enough to do that, it's Pace. Plus, Nagy loves bringing in anybody who played for the Chiefs. Maybe throw in a 7th round pick and six pack of Old Style. He'd be all over it.

staylor26 09-15-2020 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15170746)
Just know this team chose Watkins over Robinson in FA. They got very similar contracts and were the top 2 WRS that year.

And?

Sammy is a much better fit in this offense.

Megatron96 09-15-2020 06:09 PM

OBJ as a pure receiver is an amazing talent, but he's so damned flaky. If I were Veach I just don't think his weirdness could be overlooked. He's basically the definition of 'prima dona.'

Chris Meck 09-15-2020 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

Does your pussy ever NOT hurt?

JD10367 09-15-2020 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15170749)
OBJ "is a cancer" cause he's been on shit holes. Trade him to Aaron Rodgers and get back to me on that.

Losing cures a lot of ills. Here in NE we’ve gotten some usefulness out of supposed head cases, as far back as Brian Cox and Corey Dillon. Languishing on a mediocre team doesn’t help a guy be very positive and uplifting...

Megatron96 09-15-2020 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

Your and idiot.

TwistedChief 09-15-2020 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer.

JakeF isn't A cancer; he's just cancer. Patient 0. Eliminate JakeF and save the world.

DJJasonp 09-15-2020 06:22 PM

I watched some of the Cleveland game Sunday (as I watched baker destroy my OBJ fantasy pick)

Baker is awful. Like trubisky awful or worse.

OBJs body language was awful.....3 quarters into the first game of the season.

I remember thinking my only hope for fantasy production is a trade....


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TwistedChief 09-15-2020 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 15170842)
I watched some of the Cleveland game Sunday (as I watched baker destroy my OBJ fantasy pick)

Baker is awful. Like trubisky awful or worse.

OBJs body language was awful.....3 quarters into the first game of the season.

I remember thinking my only hope for fantasy production is a trade....


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I watched it too. And I totally agree. His form seemed off and forced and uncomfortable. I felt like I watched him a bunch of times in his rookie season and he seemed more comfortable and less stressed and just played to win. Now I feel like he's gotten in his own head, which isn't shocking as he's a guy who thrived achieving success with a chip on his shoulder. When he struggling, I suspect he's wondering whether that prior success was a fluke and it's showing up in his play.

OBJ had a horrific drop on 3rd down that was D-Rob-ish and killed a drive. No excuse for that. That Browns team looked just as lost as the score indicated.

TEX 09-15-2020 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

But there's that whole drafting of CEH that kinda shits on your standing pat take. :shrug:

DRM08 09-15-2020 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

Receiving group does not need to be upgraded. But seems like the linebacker group is a pretty big weakness.

staylor26 09-15-2020 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer

i'd take Robinson though.


We won't do anything, we are standing pat. For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

Holy shit you’re the dumbest mother****er on CP bar none.

ThaVirus 09-15-2020 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 15170752)
I guarantee your father wishes he had smothered you when he had the chance.

LMAO

Chief Roundup 09-15-2020 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15170746)
Just know this team chose Watkins over Robinson in FA. They got very similar contracts and were the top 2 WRS that year.

Dane told me Robinson was trash when I mentioned he was a good WR and we should consider going after him.

UChieffyBugger 09-15-2020 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PattyFlakes (Post 15170435)
I'd be fine with the Ravens adding OBJ, I don't think his skill set matches with Lamar Jackson's strengths at all, and he can add a little cancer to that locker room.

How is OBJ a "cancer"? The guy has been with two GARBAGE QB's...what the hell is he supposed to do? None of our WR's we have would thrive under late career Eli or one year wonder Baker either.

htismaqe 09-15-2020 07:02 PM

https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1

ModSocks 09-15-2020 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 15170842)
I watched some of the Cleveland game Sunday (as I watched baker destroy my OBJ fantasy pick)

Baker is awful. Like trubisky awful or worse.

OBJs body language was awful.....3 quarters into the first game of the season.

I remember thinking my only hope for fantasy production is a trade....


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Baker was throwing 10 yard bullet passes ROFL. He has no touch whatsoever.

PattyFlakes 09-15-2020 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15170910)
How is OBJ a "cancer"? The guy has been with two GARBAGE QB's...what the hell is he supposed to do? None of our WR's we have would thrive under late career Eli or one year wonder Baker either.


The fact that both of the teams he's been on seemingly can't/couldn't wait to get rid of him, mixed with the fact that the he mopes around like a bitch and gives zero effort when he's not the focal point of the offense leads me to believe that he's probably not very well liked in the locker room. He'd be a soft bitch no matter who is QB is, so that's not an excuse. Looked to me like he just stopped trying after one quarter in Sunday's game against the Ravens.

UChieffyBugger 09-15-2020 07:09 PM

Once Baker threw that first interception on Sunday his confidence was totally gone. It's not a coincidence that the two int machines from last season (Baker and Rivers) were guilty of the same mistakes once again. And keep on eye on Brady too!!..the old man has thrown THREE pick sixes THREE games in a row now.

cmh6476 09-15-2020 07:14 PM

Have we signed these pieces of shit yet?

Mecca 09-15-2020 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15170809)
And?

Sammy is a much better fit in this offense.

Didn't say he wasn't, just the Chiefs didn't think Robinson was a great fit.

UChieffyBugger 09-15-2020 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PattyFlakes (Post 15170919)
The fact that both of the teams he's been on seemingly can't/couldn't wait to get rid of him, mixed with the fact that the he mopes around like a bitch and gives zero effort when he's not the focal point of the offense leads me to believe that he's probably not very well liked in the locker room. He'd be a soft bitch no matter who is QB is, so that's not an excuse. Looked to me like he just stopped trying after one quarter in Sunday's game against the Ravens.

No-matter how you want to dress it up a receiver is only as good as the man who is throwing to him. Eli was other wordly bad and OBJ used to bail him out with great route running and incredible catches. The Giants clearly decided they wanted to start over again so he gets traded to the Browns...a historically garbage franchise and despite Baker having a good rookie season he's now being totally exposed. And this in-turn has badly effected Odell's numbers which were goat level stats in his first three years in the league. Put Odell with Pat and he would be unstoppable imo.

PHOG 09-15-2020 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 15170931)
Have we signed these pieces of shit yet?

Git 'er done Burt! :rockon:

PattyFlakes 09-15-2020 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15170937)
No-matter how you want to dress it up a receiver is only as good as the man who is throwing to him. Eli was other wordly bad and OBJ used to bail him out with great route running and incredible catches. The Giants clearly decided they wanted to start over again so he gets traded to the Browns...a historically garbage franchise and despite Baker having a good rookie season he's now being totally exposed. And this in-turn has badly effected Odell's numbers which were goat level stats in his first three years in the league. Put Odell with Pat and he would be unstoppable imo.

No, he'd be a demonstrative, mopey little bitch because Pat spreads the ball around in the offense. I'm not saying he's not incredibly skilled, he is. He just seems like a me first diva. There's nothing wrong with wanting the ball all the time, but dude seems to mail it in if he's not getting the rock all the time.

Sassy Squatch 09-15-2020 07:26 PM

LMAO This thread is unfolding so predictably.

Chris Meck 09-15-2020 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15170840)
JakeF isn't A cancer; he's just cancer. Patient 0. Eliminate JakeF and save the world.

has that guy EVER had a positive thing to say here? like EVER?

I mean, the guy was probably bitching when Williams crossed the goalline in the Superbowl.

What a ****ing wet blanket.

TwistedChief 09-15-2020 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15170948)
LMAO This thread is unfolding so predictably.

Waiting on Red Dawg and okchiefs to bring us home...

htismaqe 09-15-2020 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15170966)
Waiting on Red Dawg and okchiefs to bring us home...

ROFL

tk13 09-15-2020 07:45 PM

Allen Robinson would be a beast with a good QB. He might be the best receiver no one really pays attention to.

Mecca 09-15-2020 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15170968)
ROFL

Red Dawg is the worst, he's so old it's like he watches games through his asshole.

kcclone 09-15-2020 08:31 PM

To borrow a very overused phrase, OBJ is a cancer.

Wallcrawler 09-15-2020 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15170834)
Losing cures a lot of ills. Here in NE we’ve gotten some usefulness out of supposed head cases, as far back as Brian Cox and Corey Dillon. Languishing on a mediocre team doesn’t help a guy be very positive and uplifting...

K.

The Franchise 09-15-2020 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15171004)
Red Dawg is the worst, he's so old it's like he watches games through his asshole.

ROFL

Red Dawg 09-15-2020 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 15170966)
Waiting on Red Dawg and okchiefs to bring us home...

**** off. I trust Andy and Veach. They trade for either and we good but highly doubt they do.

Red Dawg 09-15-2020 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15171112)
ROFL

What the **** are you talking about?

Red Dawg 09-15-2020 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15171004)
Red Dawg is the worst, he's so old it's like he watches games through his asshole.

Huh? What the hell does that mean?

Buehler445 09-15-2020 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PattyFlakes (Post 15170435)
I'd be fine with the Ravens adding OBJ, I don't think his skill set matches with Lamar Jackson's strengths at all, and he can add a little cancer to that locker room.

After 1 practice he’d be like What the **** is this? I’m not blocking for this asshole.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15170441)
People like to bash OBJ and, sure, he's a ****ing headcase. But the dude has 5 relatively full seasons (at least 12 games played) out of 6, and in all of those seasons he went over 1000 yards. I don't know what his contract status is and how tradeable he actually is but I'd love to see the Pats give him a shot if it's affordable. Right now their offensive pass-catching weapons are pee-wee league, and OBJ would give them a legitimate receiver to take some pressure out of the run box.

That would be a huge get for Cam.

I’d pay money to watch him and Belicheat interact. ROFL.

srvy 09-16-2020 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15171004)
Red Dawg is the worst, he's so old it's like he watches games through his asshole.

Says the guy who starts threads on every minor ache and pain he has from ass sitting and video game playing.

Clyde Frog 09-16-2020 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15170703)
OBJ is a cancer
For some reason we think we are already good enough to beat everyone. The downfall of Super Bowl winners every year.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/Ck1Pi...SzFB3S/200.gif

Couch-Potato 09-16-2020 05:25 AM

SF
GB
NE
BAL
SEA
HOU

These are the teams that come to mind, any others?

Buehler445 09-16-2020 05:28 AM

Also, with regards to OBJ, it’s amazing how quick the shine comes off Dorsey when he’s gone from a place. I mean, I’ll always defend the good stuff he did, especially that first year but damn I’m glad Veach is our guy.


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