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Jimmya 11-11-2019 07:58 PM
Somebody already said it... But the Spags hire was a "buddy" hire...

493rd 11-11-2019 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14590708)
Wrong narrative. Chiefs D gave up a lot of yards, but only allowed four Titans possessions to score points, the other six Titans possession were either punts or TOs. Forced a fumble which they recovered on the first Titans possession. Forced a turn-over on downs on their second-to-last possession.

Chiefs offense scored on 8 of 11 possessions. But only three for TDs. If the Chiefs offense scores just one more TD, we aren't having this conversation. And last year, the offense would've scored 5 TDs and kicked only 3 FGs.

We never expected the Chiefs D to be dominant this year, just top 18 or so. At least if we were realistic about it.

You want to lay blame, then Pat gets some for completely over-throwing Hill for an easy TD in the first half. And in the second half, though that throw had a higher level of difficulty.
Dude, I refuse to lay any blame on Patrick Mahomes because this team has averaged 31 points per game in all of his losses. What does that say? The DEFENSE is terrible and can’t really stop anyone consistently. You can say it’s the wrong narrative or whatever else, but you aren’t winning many games in the NFL when giving up 150 rushing yards per game at over 5yds a clip.

TEX 11-11-2019 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14590737)
Wrong. Houston, Indy, Titans and Lions are not great ground teams and they each went in dry on us on the ground
Our LBs are shit. That's our biggest problem on defense. We have nothing there at all
Ding....Ding...Ding!
Been saying the same thing since TC. Way back in the "Biggest Weakness" thread.Thought they were one of the worst units in the league.

xztop123 11-11-2019 08:06 PM
Pennel almost single handily shores up the middle of the d.

I’m flabbergasted he wasn’t playing. I have no explanation

xztop123 11-11-2019 08:08 PM
I really did like veach up until recently. Not grabbing the linebacker philly cut was inexcusable. It was a no downside no risk move that he didn’t make.

TEX 11-11-2019 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 14590763)
Dude, I refuse to lay any blame on Patrick Mahomes because this team has averaged 31 points per game in all of his losses. What does that say? The DEFENSE is terrible and can’t really stop anyone consistently. You can say it’s the wrong narrative or whatever else, but you aren’t winning many games in the NFL when giving up 150 rushing yards per game at over 5yds a clip.
Exactly! The D is TOTAL SHIT. I laugh at all these "smart guys" with some stupid as **** "hot take" who want to blame the offense. They try so hard to be smart and identify something other than the ****ing obvious. Idiots.

chiefzilla1501 11-11-2019 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 14590763)
Dude, I refuse to lay any blame on Patrick Mahomes because this team has averaged 31 points per game in all of his losses. What does that say? The DEFENSE is terrible and can’t really stop anyone consistently. You can say it’s the wrong narrative or whatever else, but you aren’t winning many games in the NFL when giving up 150 rushing yards per game at over 5yds a clip.
Don't think anyone is. Would be absurd to. However, it would be one thing if we flat out lost drives. We beat ourselves. As outstanding as our offense played we still left points on the table.

To some extent I'm glad that happened so our defense doesn't develop a mentality that our offense will keep bailing out defense out. But this offense at full strength and without really stupid mistakes would have won this game despite our complete defense and special teams incompetence.

TEX 11-11-2019 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 14590773)
Pennel almost single handily shores up the middle of the d.

I’m flabbergasted he wasn’t playing. I have no explanation
They thought Tannehill & Co were gonna throw b/c they averaged 23 points a game since he was named the starter. Dumbasses.

gold_and_red 11-11-2019 08:13 PM
When Spagnuolo was hired didn't he say something to the effect of we have the MVP, great offense, so the D has to be just good enough? I fear that lax attitude is trickling down and always in the back of their minds.
I am even willing to bet that the buddy hire conversation between Reid and Spagnuolo went something like "Hey Spags I have this generational kid who will do my offensive bidding, just oversee the D so that I can focus on the best looking 3rd and 2 TE screens".

Titty Meat 11-11-2019 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14590680)
Stop dude. I don't care about bs rankings.

It didn't produce squat in the playoffs.
The 2014 defense didnt make the playoffs because the offense didnt have 1 single TD reception. Houston tied the record for sacks and they didnt allow 1 300 yard passer all year. That's pretty damn good.

xztop123 11-11-2019 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14590708)
Wrong narrative. Chiefs D gave up a lot of yards, but only allowed four Titans possessions to score points, the other six Titans possession were either punts or TOs. Forced a fumble which they recovered on the first Titans possession. Forced a turn-over on downs on their second-to-last possession.

Chiefs offense scored on 8 of 11 possessions. But only three for TDs. If the Chiefs offense scores just one more TD, we aren't having this conversation. And last year, the offense would've scored 5 TDs and kicked only 3 FGs.

We never expected the Chiefs D to be dominant this year, just top 18 or so. At least if we were realistic about it.

You want to lay blame, then Pat gets some for completely over-throwing Hill for an easy TD in the first half. And in the second half, though that throw had a higher level of difficulty.

I agree with this. The offense and team in general are heavily dependent on pat nailing those shots. It’s not that we necessarily HAVE to be like that (we did good with a ball control style) it’s just that we’re letting mahomes be the hero so he needs to also deliver. I have no doubts this team would be in a similar position if we were playing a different type of tempo offense.

Also the left tackle is ****ing everything up. Once fisher gets back this team changes completely.

Fisher and PENNELL need to be in the ****ing game desperately.

Titty Meat 11-11-2019 08:13 PM
Btw that 14 defense did that without DJ and Berry for most of the year.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-11-2019 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14590597)
They were a top 10 defense for 2 or 3 years under Sutton.
Sutton's shitty, soft "numbers" defenses should never be held up as a positive. Ever.
That guy ****ing sucked worse than Reid and isn't even worthy of holding the piss bucket for Marty, Cowher, and Stram to piss in.
THOSE guys knew how to build a defense that ate souls for shits and giggles.

TEX 11-11-2019 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14590788)
The 2014 defense didnt make the playoffs because the offense didnt have 1 single TD reception. Houston tied the record for sacks and they didnt allow 1 300 yard passer all year. That's pretty damn good.
To a WR...

BigRedChief 11-11-2019 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 14590761)
Somebody already said it... But the Spags hire was a "buddy" hire...
welllll duh.... LMAO

Reid has earned the right to have coaches on his staff he is comfortable working with.


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