Devin White, not a fan of Chiefs' coaching
 

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A message for Chiefs about Super Bowl game plan for Patrick Mahomes, offense

One word: ouch, White didn't hold back

By Patrik Walker
1 hr ago

It goes without saying the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are enjoying not only the victory itself in Super Bowl 2021 over Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, but most certainly the spoils thereof. Take one look at linebacker Devin White and you'll immediately find evidence to that fact, having now gone from taking his Dream lap around Raymond James Stadium on his horse to grabbing a scalpel and surgically dissecting the Chiefs for a second time -- this time verbally. Never one to mince words, the All-Pro is fed up with hearing how Kansas City was at a disadvantage because they were without starting tackles Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz, both sidelined by injury.

To put it plainly, White wants everyone to can those excuses, tie them to a rocket and fire them into the sun, as he so eloquently made clear in a recent interview with FS1's "Undisputed." The 23-year-old laid into head coach Andy Reid, offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy and anyone else who had a hand in scheming protection for Mahomes.

"We knew that they was gonna be a cocky team, which they have every right to be," White said, via NFL reporter Dov Kleiman. "They [were] the No. 1 offense in the entire National Football League. But the thing is, we knew they couldn't block us. We knew that our front four was gonna dominate them.

"So they did us a favor. They played right into our hands."

How so? Well, White points out the Chiefs' refusal to send any help to the edges.

"We weren't gonna be that cocky team like, 'Hey, we're gonna play them in Cover One, we're gonna shut them down,'" he said. "Our best guys matched up on their best guys. We was gonna make it be a team, collective win on defense, and that's what we did. So at the end of the day they shouldn't even talk about not having their offensive tackles when they didn't even help them.

"They put them on islands by themselves with the best pass rushers in the game. So that's their own fault."

In looking at the film, White is telling the truth. Kansas City's plan to pretend their backups could play iso against the vicious defensive front of the Bucs was doomed from the start. Mahomes was under siege most of the evening and when he finally did break free at times, it was for naught, thanks to drops by franchise targets like tight end Travis Kelce and wide receiver Tyreek Hill -- with running back Darrel Williams getting in on the drop action as well. Mahomes was sacked three times and bullied much, much more than that would indicate, having also been hit a combined nine times in the game.

Shaq Barrett alone owned one of those sacks and four of those QB hits, with Ndamukong Suh and others also joining the party to keep Mahomes out of the end zone both on the ground and in the air. He'd finish with 23 incompletions and two interceptions on the day, and while he was able to muster 270 passing yards, White says they shouldn't go writing home to mother about that number.

"They started gaining yards when we were already up 21 points," said White."We already gave our little brothers the controllers, and they just started giving up little BS yards at the end. I know everybody praising Travis Kelce [for having] 133 yards, but a lot of that came at the end of the game when it was already over -- we're sitting back in zone and playing soft. The same for Tyreek Hill.

"... They gave him a lot of yards and it made it look like he had a decent day. We know what went on, there was a lot of toe tagging out there."

Whatever

Hope we see them next year

He's 100% correct on the first subject. It was absurd that Reid refused to adjust when it was clear our tackles couldn't stop their edge rushers.

The second matter, he's full of crap. The only reason Kelce was remotely slowed down is because they were allowed to god damn moleste him all game.

Tell us something we already don't know and are well aware of. :harumph:

As others have stated, Reid should have swallowed his pride, and called the game like the first Buffalo game.

That, and F the refs.

Maybe its me, but I don't remember our players trashing the 49ers this much after our win. But what do you expect from an Arians coached team. Trash at the top all the way to the bottom. Enjoy the championship win, you wont see another before we do.

I didn't hear Devin talking after we beat them early in the year. Mouthy bitch.


He is right about Andy being a stubborn bitch. Reid refused to help Eric Fisher for entire career.

If there is a bigger piece of shit organization top to bottom in the NFL, I have yet to see it. From their dumb **** head coaches' comments after the game, Brady getting gifted another Super Bowl, to this asshat acting like there is a way to scheme around having 80% of your starting offensive line out. Every organization that dipshit Brady is involved in the players act like entitled pieces of crap.

The Chiefs had the "Run it Back" slogan this past season. I've got a new one for this coming season, "The Reckoning." I hope to god we see the Bucs in the SuperBowl next year.

This guy talks like we're still king of the hill.

What does that have to do with what White said. He's 100% right. We came into the SB as if we didn't have 2 backups starting at tackle.

So basically he's acknowledging that their mercenary team only beat the Chiefs due to the fact they were gifted with playing the Chiefs 10th string offensive line, specifically Andrew Wylie at RT.

No shit, Captain Obvious.

I think it's because the Bucs know the win was a fluke and they know they're now done. Take away their mercenary pickups Brady, AB, Gronk, their PEDs, and merry band of crooked referees, and they're nothing. Shame the Chiefs and Packers had key injuries to their most important o-line positions. It would've been a great Super Bowl between the league's actual 2 best teams and quarterbacks.


Also the Chiefs were missing both starting guards lol. The backup RG had to play RT for gods sake.

what people are saying are like a tattoo, under his skin

What are you going to do? They were the number one ranked rushing defense in the NFL. You weren't going to just run it down their throats the entire game. They could have max protected and gave both tackles help and Suh/Veah would have got there up the middle and you would have had less receivers out in patterns which they were playing cover 2 most of the time anyway so one on one matchups weren't a big factor.

Could the game plan have been more conservative? Yes. Would it have made the score closer? Yes. Would KC have won the game? Doubtful.

Devin White is a real piece of shit taking a victory lap and trashing another team after they took advantage of a depleted offense.

Yep, yep, and yep.

No one is saying he's not right, but he's basically watering down their Super Bowl win by acknowledging that his team only won because of the fact the Chiefs were playing their 10th string offensive line.

Lol. Whatever man. They were gifted the Bowl and now want to talk shit like they knew all year they were going to win it and blah blah blah. It’s was the perfect storm for them

Yep.

Diminishing his own achievement. Not real bright.

Uh maybe don't create new problems by moving Remmers who was playing well at RT to LT and then moving Wylie to RT?

Saying a team played into their hands isn't watering down their win.

Their played right into our hands the first half of our first game. Doesn't diminish what our offense did.

Win and you get to say whatever the **** you want.

I have all the faith in Veach, Reid, Bieniemy, and Mahomes to get fix what needs fixed and address everything that popped up in the super bowl and leading up to it.

He's being disingenuous. We couldn't block their front four - that's game over right there, and he knows it.

TB wouldn't have even made the playoffs with this line.

Fail.

Drawing attention away from the team making a deal with the NFL's version of the debil. Is a slight option

Of course the contrarian pillowbiter King is in here defending White.

It doesn’t matter. Running the ball would have helped but losses like that are game altering.

If Rankin was at LT we’d likely see a similar result. Same with Wylie at RG.

That dumb bitch can flap his mouth all he wants but if it was his team that was down 3 of 4 starting DL we would have crushed they ass

Sir.

Andy Reid is an offensive genius and a sure-lock HOF head coach.

If he refused to adjust (which is supposedly something he's THE BEST at), he must've had a good reason.

Like he was told not to or something...

This isn't the first time Andy Reid has screwed the pooch by making decisions that 5th grader learns not to make while playing Madden. Situational football, down to ONE starting Olineman, Tackles who aren't actually tackles, and I'm sitting here like "you know if you kept the backs in to help block, maybe Mahomes won't have a bunch of Tampa Gay dick in his ass..."

Reid and Beniemy played into Bowles' hands because that's what they were supposed to do. That's what the script said...
Their DBs molested all of our WRs/TEs all game without flags, their Oline completely mugged our Dline, again without flags...funny how he wouldn't mention that...or how Suh punched Mahomes in the face without a penalty or Brady pushing his finger in Honey Badger's face without penalty...

So, yeah...

"Playing into their hands" by playing with a 10th string offensive line.

Hilariously stupid.

I don't think it was cockiness. But it did feel like Reid was distracted. The surprise was we didn't do much in the way of adjustment. But you're right, sometimes you just can't scheme around gaps if you're OL is flat out outmatched. It reminds me of the time vermeil used to scheme a brilliant first quarter offense with Jordan black which worked until the defense adjusted. While Im surprised we didn't stretch horizontally with jet sweeps etc... We did try to run and wr screen with almost no success.

By moving Remmers from a position he was playing well to LT.

By doing that both sides were major weaknesses. We could have kept Remmers at RT, Wylie at LG and then used someone else at LT and doubled that up. Instead we compounded the backup issue by moving everyone around.

Put Brady behind our offensive line that game; 9 sacks minimum.

^this^ the def holding and illegal contact that was being called on the Chiefs, wasn't called on the Bucs and it was there if you rewatch the game. This took away Pat's first read and he had little time after... Despite that, if they don't get the two horrendous DPI's before half to give them 7, and the interception negated by a BS call, and we actually catch 2 of the passes that hit our guys in the facemask we probably beat this punk ass...

Do you disagree with him saying our game plan played right into their hands? If you have a weak line with backups playing out of position, do you think taking deep drops and running routes and plays that take a long time to develop is a wise plan?


I'll listen off air.

CEH had 9 carries for 64 yards.

I mean, the only reason the run was "no success" was because they gave up on it. Which is unforgivable, considering that it was really the only thing even remotely working - the screens were dogshit, because the line was literally not setting the screens correctly. It was horrid. At some point, you bring Sherman in to help lead block on runs and pass block on PMIIs blindside.

It was ****ing asinine, but Andy Reid is one of the greatest ever, so maybe he thought that his offensive line guru prowess would compensate for lack of chemistry, lack of continuity, lack of familiarity, and lack of talent...but it became obvious early on that the Oline was simply overwhelmed and overmatched...and you have Reid and EB, this pair of ****ing football geniuses who know more about football than I ever ****ing will...and they don't make a single adjustment all game.


**** you if don't think that sounds fishy as ****.

Andy Reid is an offensive genius and a future HOFer, so if he didn't want the backs to stay in and pass block while the WR/TEs ran shallow crosses, hooks, slants and sluggos, he must've had a reason to not make that adjustment.

Like, you know, he wasn't supposed to try and win or something.

Hey rabble, how are you doing? I hope all is well in your world.

I don't agree with you or anyone else's NFL rigged conspiracy theories, but I don't wish to spend countless minutes and posts arguing about it. I hope when the Chiefs win another Super Bowl you can enjoy it and not let the fact you think the NFL is rigged water down your enjoyment.

Coming out and trying to outscore the Bucs offense by running the football against the best run defense in the NFL would’ve been playing into their hands as well.

The truth is, the way the game was being officiated took away our ability to run the football. You probably aren’t scoring 31+ with that OL either way.

I’ve said it over and over again. They would’ve ran the ball more if they didn’t get behind multiple scores. Once that happened, Reid probably felt his only option was Mahomes magic, and if our guys would’ve just caught the football, we would’ve been alright.

The Bucs organization, top to bottom, is like the Beverly Hillbillies striking oil.

They have no idea how to handle success without coming across as hillbilly-rich.

When did I say anything about running the ball? I'm talking about how they turned a weakness into an even bigger weakness by moving Remmers and Wylie and by refusing to adjust their game plan to shorter routes and going into a more traditional west coast offense.

Also on the coaching and game plan.

If we tried to get them some extra help, bring in the sausage, extra TE, WR chip them....something to try slowing them down so Mahomes isn't running for his life on every play and then that failed, then there wasn't nothing to be done.

They tried screens and they didn't work. The Bucs were all over them.

The certain weren't going to run right at Suh and Vea. That would have been suicide.

I'm interested to know what kind of gameplay would have worked considering so many think they mailed it in.

Were you completely against this before the game captain hindsight? Were you talking about how stupid it was then?

"They got cocky"

What do you think you're doing now, Devin?

I saw the opposite...I didn't think they appeared cocky at all...more like a team that hadn't been there the year before.

Well, he's not wrong. It was pretty silly to leave Remmers and Wylie out on an island to die.

I didn't post anything about the line before the game. I did say that I thought we'd run a offense similar to the bills game and just run short to intermediate plays that allowed our players to get yac and slow down their pass rush.

There are a lot more short plays that aren't screens. The game plan against the Bills was what we should have done. That game the ball was coming out of Mahomes hands really quickly and a bunch of passes were in the air 5-10 yards where we let the WR/TE do the rest.

This is a rare occasion when we see things similarly. This is exactly what I’ve been saying since the game (and during/before the game). Remmers was solid at RT and moving him was a huge mistake the coaches should have seen coming.

In 709 snaps at RT, Remmers didn’t give up a single sack and was only flagged 4 times all year.

I’d like to hear the justification behind moving him to LT instead of plugging in someone else there and giving chip help from backs and tight ends.

No, it's not just you. Agreed.

This situation smells a lot like Andy being out of his mind due to the situation with Britt and handing off responsibilities to his coaches which shit the bed.

But I may be wrong.

That may explain why Bienemy can't get a HC job. Maybe he needs his hand held too much.

I'm not a fan of Devin White. He was being kind of a punk on the field.

This.

So then EB could've made adjustments, but didn't.

I don't think any game plan was going to work with 4 backup linemen on the field. And with Mahomes toe he just couldn't do what he normally does and running from three d linemen isn't the same as running from one. I'm going to assume Mahomes had input with the game plan as well so I'm not blaming Andy for anything. We were screwed going in and they knew it.

He's a mouthy bastard, for sure, but I can deal with that.

I draw the line where he tried to break Mahomes in half. He's forever on my "dirty bitch" shit list.

They are arrogant assholes but he isn't wrong. It was clear to everyone in America after the first quarter we had a serious OL problem but Andy did nothing to neutralize the pass rush at all. He left a bunch of nobodies that were overmatched out to dry including Mahomes. Should have gotten the backs involved for protection and screens and shortend up the pass routes. He did nothing and Mahomes ran for his ****ing life the whole game.

Andy got his *** handed to him. He admitted as much after the game.

To be honest the gameplan wasn’t radically different than it was against SF’s line. We didn’t give Fish that much help against Bosa but it worked out because Bosa got gassed and Mahomes evaded what maaay have been a game-altering sack late in the 4th. Having the ball for 70 plays and calling a significant amount of horizontal runs seemed to play into that.

I have zero idea why we didn’t see Andy at least try to vary things up. Yes, Kelce was getting wide open in the first half (that had to be frustrating for Andy to see) but it’s not going to matter when Mahomes is constantly running for his life.

i agree, this guy saying Reid was told not to try to win is a complete idiot. the chiefs got their ass kicked plain and simple. you can bitch about the refs, bitch about the beat up OL but they lost. it’s over, get over it.

Chris Simms said the most "shocking" aspect of the SB, after watching it 3 times, was Reid's game plan.

He said he studied KC all season...and had no idea what they were doing. It wasn't "normal"...

He said it was dumbfounding as they had adapted/evolved their offense earlier in the season and had become truly "multi-faceted".

AR essentially set them up to fail...he was calling long evolving pass plays with a 3rd string o-line. Simms said it played directly into TB's strengths.

Sorry but this is as believable as the time Alex Smith couldn't solve a basic cover 2 for five games....Andy had two weeks to create a gameplan..and is usually unbeatable in that scenario...especially with a Superbowl on the line.

Reid is a NFL company man...if he were instructed to take a dive...he would. Judging by the insane, one-sided officiating...sure looks like this one was predetermined.

All post-season they had been letting teams play with minimal interference...then, out of nowhere, wallop the Chiefs with a record amount of calls...many weren't even fouls.

I've never seen a SB officiated like this...

People think he's this all powerful figure in the NFL...nope...he's a regional branch manager...one of 32. They work under a corporation comprised of owners....who work for those above them.

Is what it is...Falcons took a dive a few years back.

Their reasoning was that being up 2 scores with under 5 minutes...NE out of time outs... wasn't safe enough...so they opted out of running down the clock and taking a FG :)

Or you know, Andy was dealing with the fact his son may have murdered a five year old with a pending investigation about how he got the car and perhaps internal reviews of workplace drinking in the facility.

But sure, it’s more likely the NFL would want to risk a long term injury to their most profitable star by letting him get brutalized for an hour long game.

Shine on, BlackOp.

Reid coached a car wreck of a game. It was easily one of his worsted. Bucs were fooled by nothing. White was right about that.

It's interesting to see the Bucs feeling a bit raw about the comments to the Chiefs injuries and overall uncharacteristically poor play and coaching. Feels like the little brother is having his moment.

That situation happened well after the offensive game plan was already in place...

If you want to blame it Britt...go ahead. There is an army of coaches on the Chiefs that Britt isn't related to. He was an assistant defensive coach...not Vince Lombardi.

If you think professional NFL coaches cant compartmentalize...well, I dont know what to tell you. You really think Reid was thinking about his son when the game was happening? Nope...not in a million years. It's not like he died...

There is a reason the NFL props up Brady...and it has nothing to do with football.

Let's just say they find him "useful"....

Maybe this has been mentioned, but I don’t recall seeing Mahomes and Reid together on the bench once. Usually we will see them sitting down discussing things, especially when it’s not going well. Possible that I either missed it or the cameras didn’t catch it, but it seemed odd and concerned me. Then it became clear that we weren’t going to do anything different and no adjustments were coming. Not an excuse, but the Britt situation seemed to factor in, even if no one acknowledged it or wants to admit it.

Devin White may be a punk, but he’s a super bowl champ and the Chiefs lost their opportunity to prevent him from running his mouth. It’s just like anything else, history is written by the victors.

I was fine with Reid just using 5 man line and chips to start but he should have moved to max protect pretty quickly once he saw what was going on.

The longer developing routes also made no sense.

They were the number 1 rush defense, yet when KC ran they were getting a pretty good yards per carry. We have the players to stretch the field and spread them out making it harder to defend the run. The problem was Andy going Andy and not running when it was working. And pretending that we were still at full strength on the OL when he should have altered the gameplan at half. But it’s clear Andy went with what worked in the first half week 12 and never had a backup plan for when it didn’t work.

I don't think there was a whole lot the Chiefs could have done differently adjustment-wise. I know lots of talking heads believe differently, but that's not what I saw watching the game.

The Bucs knew they could essentially get immediate pressure rushing four. They schemed their defensive approach around that basic fact. Chiefs could have played better. The receivers dropped balls they should have caught. Mahomes could have thrown a shorter, easier pass in place of the deep shot on some plays.

But when a four-man rush gets instant pressure consistently, and the opposing DBs and LBs know that, it's going to be tough sledding no matter what.

Clyde was averaging over 7 a carry, Mahomes was averaging over 6. Running was working, Andy just went Reidtard, and didn’t keep it up .

Ask yourself...how many "car wreck" offensive games plans has Reid devised off a bye? This one was for a SB...

It didn't even look like the same team...this is a top 10 all-time, HOF HC...and, supposedly, an offensive-minded genius.

Chiefs should give up 3 entire drafts to get the top LT...obviously its a 25 point difference in Mahomes post-season average of 34.

Who knew that the Chiefs offensive prowess hinged solely on the above-average play of Eric Fisher...*belch*

The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.

Or they knew the fix was in...

Reid's timeouts before half were the tell-tale...nobody does that...especially against Brady. Did they not watch the Packers game? Had they not realized how the officials were calling every ticky-tack instance against the Chiefs?

I knew it was coming..and said so before the PI call.

I've watched football for 40+ years and had never seen that before....they were getting the ball back after half-time anyway.

You can blame Britt if it makes you feel better...but those time outs had nothing to do with it.

I’m saying the NFL didn’t want us winning a SB overshadowed by Britt possibly killing a kid. They made the call after that.

Damn they are insecure. Pretty much seals the deal we were the better team that wins 8 out of 10 times

Devin is just a kid.. Doesn’t realize yet that stupid shit you say can bite you in the butt later.. Have fun with that one SB you are going to have for your career..

ROFL

Point taken :thumb:

Using a 5 year old who almost got killed as a way to fuel your football conspiracy theories is really ****ing low.

So what’s your explanation? Why was the team as a whole unfocused? Why was there such a disparity in penalties? Any clue King Ding Dong?? Do you think the league wanted to deal with that fallout on a Championship team?

Besides the foul discrepancies. He is not wrong. Our coaching was bad and did not adjust. We should have beaten them. This is on the coaches and players for not saying something.

Pat needed help from an extra blocker and moving pocket. We needed short routes. Literally the way TB adjusted and hit us with quick throws.

The team was unfocused because the head coaches son potentially killed 2 kids 3 days prior to the game leaving practice. Wtf?

And the disparity of penalties is because the chiefs have been one of the most penalized teams in the league the last few years and Tom Brady teams tend to be one of the least. I could have told you that would be the case long before the superbowl.

It's pretty much the worst set of circumstances you could have for a Super Bowl.

-The entire starting offensive line is pretty much wiped out

-Multiple positions on the o-line were assigned different spots

-A coach on the team is involved in a near-fatal accident, nearly causing the death of a child

-The coach on the team that was involved in the accident is the head coach's son.