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big nasty kcnut 02-18-2020 05:36 PM

Love Patrick!
 
My question is how the **** the red raiders had a talent like Pat yet the red raider defense made greg rob efense look like the 84 bears?

DRM08 02-18-2020 05:37 PM

That would be the fault of Kingsbury, who struggled on the recruiting trail and made some terrible decisions with the defensive coordinator hires.

Iowanian 02-18-2020 05:41 PM

Easy answer.....Mahomes didn't know how to use the force until Andywon Kenobi started coaching him.

Megatron96 02-18-2020 06:06 PM

For some unknown reason, the Big 12 as a whole can't play defense. This isn't just a Big 12 problem, but it seems like none of the teams in the Big 12 can play defense competently. Basically every team in the B12 played defense as if Bob Sutton was coaching them for the last decade or so.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 02-18-2020 06:16 PM

According to a former Chief who was on or around the coaching staff when Patrick was drafted. The talent was very much evident. But alot of teaching/coaching & his willingness to learn is what made him what he is today.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 02-18-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 14802186)
According to a former Chief who was on or around the coaching staff when Patrick was drafted. The talent was very much evident. But alot of teaching/coaching & his willingness to learn is what made him what he is today.

I know no one wants to give him credit but Alex Smith has a huge role in Pats development

Rain Man 02-18-2020 07:22 PM

How good were the 84 Bears? They don't get much attention compared to the 85 Bears, but maybe they were really good. They had most or all of the pieces in place.

Chiefspants 02-18-2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14802235)
I know no one wants to give him credit but Alex Smith has a huge role in Pats development

Penbrook (that’s you, right?) I remember how much you loved and respected Alex’s game but this board, as a whole, has been very complementary and thankful of Alex’s impact on Patrick through this postseason. Even some of his largest detractors (Clay) have been expressing their gratitude.

That hate he got was a bit much, though. Especially after his injury with Washington.

Alex was amazing for Patrick’s development, though. Brady couldn’t even tolerate having Jimmy G on his team much less putting him in a position to succeed against NFL competition.

big nasty kcnut 02-18-2020 07:26 PM

85 i mean but i was thinking what pat said about his time at the red raiders being bad. Then I looked up the records. He had only like 3 bad games. Yet the red raiders went 7-5 and then 4-8 i was shocked to see that.

big nasty kcnut 02-18-2020 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14802140)
That would be the fault of Kingsbury, who struggled on the recruiting trail and made some terrible decisions with the defensive coordinator hires.

Thank you i was just stunned to see pat records there.

RedRaider56 02-18-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 14802266)
Thank you i was just stunned to see pat records there.

Those of us who watched Texas Tech football were always stunned as well. The defense gave away so many games and wasted Mahomes efforts

GloucesterChief 02-18-2020 07:53 PM

Mahomes should of went to Wazzu. :thumb:

Kellerfox 02-18-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14802140)
That would be the fault of Kingsbury, who struggled on the recruiting trail and made some terrible decisions with the defensive coordinator hires.

Not just coordinators, the defensive staff as a whole. But you’re right, you can’t miss on multiple DCs back-to-back. I’ve blocked it out, but our final “statistic” was 7 DCs I’m 7 years, or 10 DCs I’m 13 years? That will set any college program back.

Kellerfox 02-18-2020 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14802176)
For some unknown reason, the Big 12 as a whole can't play defense. This isn't just a Big 12 problem, but it seems like none of the teams in the Big 12 can play defense competently. Basically every team in the B12 played defense as if Bob Sutton was coaching them for the last decade or so.

That’s certainly the perception, but not fact. I haven’t looked at data for the last year or two, but spanning back the last decade (the era his misconception has existed in), the Big12 was actually 2nd or 3rd in Power5 conferences in fewest Yards per play and points per play allowed. They were not to far off from the best conference either.

The difference is that the pace of play in the Big12 is significantly faster than all other conferences, so teams are on the field for more plays. By physically undertaking more snaps, offenses put up more yards and points despite the fact that Big12 defenses are performing just as well if not better than the other P5 conferences.

That said, as a Red Raider, I can attest that Tech specifically did not play defense between ~2010 and 2018. Any criticism of us is fair.

Simply Red 02-18-2020 08:47 PM

hi brad


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