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Kollman + PFF + Honey Badger: Who is correct?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m tryna see when have I given up 16 catches..... plz show me!</p>— Tyrann Mathieu (@Mathieu_Era) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mathieu_Era/status/1321911181754421248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was gonna do a Budda episode but now this has my curiosity. <br><br>For the next show I’ll go through every snap this year and see how many catches I chart Tyrann giving up compared to the 16 from <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>.<br><br>And if I have questions on some assignments, maybe Tyrann can set us straight? 🤷🏼*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/Xg4CDz7BX7">https://t.co/Xg4CDz7BX7</a></p>— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1321929021626617856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, that's interesting.

love it. Kollmann is the man.

In any case, it will remind people that PFF isn't objective analytics. The numbers are often way off from the reality.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15285125)

In any case, it will remind people that PFF isn't objective analytics. The numbers are often way off from the reality.

"Opinion based grading"

What a load of ****ing horseshit.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15285125)

In any case, it will remind people that PFF isn't objective analytics. The numbers are often way off from the reality.

i always say this but it's literally just game scores from the perspective of whichever PFF dudes watched the game. it's mostly subjective, they're not scores/stats derived from an algorithm.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15285125)

In any case, it will remind people that PFF isn't objective analytics. The numbers are often way off from the reality.

Like the bullshit where they said Deshaun Watson outplayed Mahomes in Week 1.

It's not a coincidence that "PFF" is pronounced "pffffffffffff".

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 15285130)

i always say this but it's literally just game scores from the perspective of whichever PFF dudes watched the game. it's mostly subjective, they're not scores/stats derived from an algorithm.

And a lot of the "PFF dudes" know less about football than we do.

They just have more time on their hands to sit in front of a TV and eat Doritos.

PFF is known for getting the numbers right. But anyone can make a mistake, I guess. :hmmm:

But, that said their interpretation of what the numbers mean is usually totally lacking in insight or knowledge beyond the numbers.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15285175)

And a lot of the "PFF dudes" know less about football than we do.

They just have more time on their hands to sit in front of a TV and eat Doritos.

Yeah, they hire absolutely anyone that wants to "grade" players.

No analytics or mathematics or degree of any kind required. No experience as a college, CFL, AFL or NFL player is required, either.

It's such a joke.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15285203)

PFF is known for getting the numbers right.

I think Roy III has more insight than anyone that's ever worked at PFF

For me 2009 demonstrated the value of pff grades.

KC had an OL graded at the bottom of the league. RB Larry Johnson was graded far above his production.

When charles became the starter, KC ol instantly springboarded to the top of the run block rankings.

The bad running game was not larry Johnson's fault. The run blocking was too bad. When charles played they instantly started blocking great and charles reaped the rewards. That's the narrative PFF grades would give you, and it's obviously bullshit..

Early returns are in Honey Badger's favor:

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm only through one Chiefs game so far this season but Tyrann seems to have had a point after all. <br><br>I have him charted as "giving up" 2 catches for 16 yards against Houston, even though they weren't really bad reps. <br><br>PFF had him giving up 4 catches for 41 yds. Odd discrepancy.</p>— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1322079252058025984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For starters, one of the catches that seems to be credited against Mathieu is a screen to Johnson where Tyrann did his force role correctly but the filler missed the tackle.<br><br>The other was a 20-yd catch to Fuller where the pole runner messed up, but not Tyrann? I don't get it. ��*♂️</p>— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1322079766632046593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Would be you be able to tell me if he was downgraded on the 20-yard Fuller catch at Q4 15:00? That was the one I was really most curious about because I personally don't see how that was his responsibility when they were seemingly in 7-Mod and Tyrann had no obligation on Fuller?</p>— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1322087336100835333?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>