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Direckshun 01-15-2021 01:41 AM

TheDraftNetwork.com's mock draft machine is pretty great.
 
Try it out here.

Post your results.

Direckshun 01-15-2021 01:42 AM

Mine this evening:

32. Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama
64. Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
95. Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina
133. Joshua Kaindoh, EDGE, Florida State
172. Robert Rochell, CB, Central Arkansas
173. Tre' McKitty, TE, Georgia
177. Zach McCloud, LB, Miami
204. Demetric Felton, RB, UCLA

Bowser 01-15-2021 09:28 AM

32. Azeez Ojulari - EDGE - Georgia
64. Chazz Shuratt - LB - North Carolina
95. Hunter Long - TE - Boston College
133. David Moore - IOL - Grambling
172. Ihmir Smith-Marsette - WR - Iowa
173. Dante Stills - IDL - West Virginia
177. Ifeatu Melifonwu - S/CB - Syracuse
204. DJ Daniel - CB - Georgia

Bowser 01-15-2021 09:55 AM

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DrRyan 01-15-2021 10:22 AM

32. Azeez Ojulari EDGE, Georgia
64. Brevin Jordan TE, Miami
95. Richard LeCounte III S, Georgia
135. Robert Hainsey IOL, Notre Dame
174. Ihmir Smith-Marsette WR, Iowa
175. Joshua Ross LB, Michigan
179. Cole Van Lanen OT, Wisconsin
206. Master Teague RB, Ohio State

duncan_idaho 01-15-2021 11:09 AM

I like it. Only quibble I have is that they have made a lot of their content premium this year. And you can't trade in a mock in their tool.

PFN's mock draft simulator is my favorite one at the moment. It not only lets you trade, it actively seeks out trades for the AI teams as well (so you get offers).

The Franchise 01-15-2021 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15477507)
I like it. Only quibble I have is that they have made a lot of their content premium this year. And you can't trade in a mock in their tool.

PFN's mock draft simulator is my favorite one at the moment. It not only lets you trade, it actively seeks out trades for the AI teams as well (so you get offers).

Is it free? Got a link?

duncan_idaho 01-15-2021 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15477869)
Is it free? Got a link?


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/

Free fo sho.

DaneMcCloud 01-15-2021 08:12 PM

32. Chris Olave WR, Ohio State
64. Victor Dimukeje EDGE, Duke
95. Jackson Carman OT, Clemson
135. James Wiggins S, Cincinnati
174. Ali Gaye EDGE, LSU
175. Master Teague RB, Ohio State
179. James Empey IOL, BYU
206. Naquan Jones IDL, Michigan State

Olave can plug in opposite Hill while keeping Hardman in the slot.

Dimukeje is a rotational DE with starter potential while Carman can be plugged in at Left Guard or Swing Tackle.

Wiggins is Sorenson insurance with upside while Gaye can be yet another rotational DE. Reid loves his Utah Mormons and Empey has some upside at Center/Guard, as does Naquan Jones.

Teague was a legit 4.3 guy before tearing his Achilles and won't need to carry the load but can be a solid #2 or #3 behind CEH.

Sofa King 01-18-2021 10:37 AM

32.

Kansas City Chiefs
Alex Leatherwood
OT, Alabama
64.

Kansas City Chiefs
Pete Werner
LB, Ohio State
95.

Kansas City Chiefs
Seth Williams
WR, Auburn
135.

Kansas City Chiefs
Daelin Hayes
EDGE, Notre Dame
174.

Kansas City Chiefs
Cade Mays
IOL, Tennessee
175.

Kansas City Chiefs
Rachad Wildgoose Jr.
CB, Wisconsin
179.

Kansas City Chiefs
Jack Anderson
IOL, Texas Tech
206.

Kansas City Chiefs
Joshua Kaindoh
EDGE, Florida State

Renegade 01-18-2021 10:42 AM

So is the worst we can draft now is #29? IF we lost this weekend, we would still have a better record than anyone in the NFC.

duncan_idaho 01-18-2021 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15478615)
32. Chris Olave WR, Ohio State
64. Victor Dimukeje EDGE, Duke
95. Jackson Carman OT, Clemson
135. James Wiggins S, Cincinnati
174. Ali Gaye EDGE, LSU
175. Master Teague RB, Ohio State
179. James Empey IOL, BYU
206. Naquan Jones IDL, Michigan State

Olave can plug in opposite Hill while keeping Hardman in the slot.

Dimukeje is a rotational DE with starter potential while Carman can be plugged in at Left Guard or Swing Tackle.

Wiggins is Sorenson insurance with upside while Gaye can be yet another rotational DE. Reid loves his Utah Mormons and Empey has some upside at Center/Guard, as does Naquan Jones.

Teague was a legit 4.3 guy before tearing his Achilles and won't need to carry the load but can be a solid #2 or #3 behind CEH.

Teague intrigues me a bit. He's a physical runner whose speed might recover as he gets further removed from that knee injury. I believe he catches the ball pretty well, too.

I like Olave, though he isn't my favorite guy in that range. I'm a little concerned about his versatility and ability to beat press man.

CatfishBob2 01-18-2021 02:32 PM

32.
Jaelan Phillips
EDGE, Miami

64.
Paulson Adebo
CB, Stanford

95.
Merlin Robertson
LB, Arizona State

135.
Drake Jackson
IOL, Kentucky

174.
Luke Farrell
TE, Ohio State

175.
Tamorrion Terry
WR, Florida State

179.
Divine Deablo
S, Virginia Tech

208.
Jah-Maine Martin
RB, North Carolina A&T

Hoover 01-18-2021 04:09 PM

Mock drafts are not really my thing, so I'm sure many of you will think this one is awful. But if I had the keys the kingdom, this is what I'd do.

32 Asante Samuel Jr., CB - Florida State
64 Creed Humphrey, IOL - Oklahoma
95 Paris Ford, S - Pittsburgh
135 Baron Browning, LB - Ohio State
174 Cole Van Lanen, OT - Wisconsin
175 Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR - Iowa
179 Tarron Jackson, EDGE - Coastal Carolina
208 Marquez Stevenson, WR - Houston

The Franchise 01-22-2021 03:23 PM

43.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
trade icon
KC
64.

Chazz Surratt
LB North Carolina
KC
72.

Dayo Odeyingbo
EDGE Vanderbilt
trade icon
KC
95.

Jabril Cox
LB LSU
KC
96.

Adrian Ealy
OT Oklahoma
trade icon
KC
224.

Matt Bushman
TE BYU

htismaqe 01-22-2021 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15499345)
43.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
trade icon
KC
64.

Chazz Surratt
LB North Carolina
KC
72.

Dayo Odeyingbo
EDGE Vanderbilt
trade icon
KC
95.

Jabril Cox
LB LSU
KC
96.

Adrian Ealy
OT Oklahoma
trade icon
KC
224.

Matt Bushman
TE BYU

Holy shit.

Chris Meck 01-24-2021 10:54 PM

KC
33.

Jalen Mayfield
OT Michigan
trade icon
KC
high upside offensive tackle.

64.

Rashad Weaver
EDGE Pitt
KC
This kid looks like a real solid LDE

99.

Amari Rodgers
WR Clemson
trade icon
KC
almost stocky in build, 6-0, 220 lbs. your Watkins replacement.
101.

Hunter Long
TE Boston College
trade icon
KC
Your #2 TE
130.

Bobby Brown
DT Texas A&M
KC
Big boy in the middle
134.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
trade icon
KC
interior line help
224.

Bryan Mills
CB NC Central
intriguing small school kid. he's 6-1, and fast although not accurately timed that I see. He's got the Spags prototype length.

I took a couple of small trades.

duncan_idaho 01-25-2021 11:38 AM

Nice, Chris. Mine (looks like they're awarding some comp picks).

1.32 - Jaelan Phillips, DE. Phillips just fits KC so well and has so much upside. Plus, Mayfield, Marshall, and Toney were all gone at this point. Made it easier.
2.64 - Walker Little, DE. Little is a LT prospect who fits KC's style well. May need a little development but has first-round payoff potential. All the WR available here were midgets, so I pass.
3.95 - Tylan Wallace, WR. Wallace has X-style size and is a good separator with strong performances against elite players.
4.36 - Tyree Gillespie, S. His Alabama tape may get him drafted higher than this, but Gillespie is a physical, versatile S who would be a nice plug in for 2022.
5.175 - Austin Watkins, WR (UAB). A new name but one I stumbled across in highlight videos the other day. He's got nice size, a big catch radius and good hands, and runs good routes. Could be a real steal and there wasn't anything else interesting here.
5.176 - James Empey, C, BYU. Looking for another OL name. He's a center, little older as a BYU guy, but has some traits KC looks for in the middle.
5.180 - Trill Williams, CB, Syracuse. Has the size/length/versatility that works well in this scheme.
6.211 - Jamar Watson, DE, Kentucky. Versatile guy with some tools.

The Franchise 01-26-2021 11:15 AM

35.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
trade icon
KC
64.

Liam Eichenberg
OT Notre Dame
KC
95.

Quincy Roche
EDGE Miami (FL)
KC
101.

Rodarius Williams
CB Oklahoma State
trade icon
KC
130.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
KC
162.

JaCoby Stevens
S LSU
KC
224.

Matt Bushman
TE BYU

Stryker 01-26-2021 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15511822)
35.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
trade icon
KC
64.

Liam Eichenberg
OT Notre Dame
KC
95.

Quincy Roche
EDGE Miami (FL)
KC
101.

Rodarius Williams
CB Oklahoma State
trade icon
KC
130.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
KC
162.

JaCoby Stevens
S LSU
KC
224.

Matt Bushman
TE BYU


I love this! This draft would be very incredible!

Chris Meck 01-26-2021 09:25 PM

I don't think Eichenberg lasts that long, but that'd be great.

Direckshun 01-26-2021 09:36 PM

Drake Jackson is absolutely a late round candidate for center.

Chris Meck 01-27-2021 08:44 AM

Super happy with this one:
I traded back from #32 o #38 and picked up a third.
KC
38.

Jalen Mayfield
OT Michigan
trade icon
Legit starting LT talent.
KC
64.

Rashad Weaver
EDGE Pitt
relentless, high motor pass rusher. Fits Spags' profile perfectly.
KC
69.

Josh Myers
OC Ohio State
trade icon
Will he play center or guard? Doesn't matter. Good, smart player and immediate upgrade.
KC
96.

Nico Collins
WR Michigan
trade icon
6'4" 215 and fast. A big, physical reciever to take your #2 spot, vertical and redzone mismatch.
KC
130.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
Will he play center? Will he play guard? See Josh Myers. Doesn't matter, either way a good player.
KC
141.

Camryn Bynum
CB California
trade icon
Developmental CB to keep re-stocking the cupboard.

KC
224.

Marlon Williams
WR UCF
6'0", 220, big bodied reciever. A little raw, but another match-up problem down the road.

GingaChief 01-27-2021 09:40 AM

32. Carlos Basham Jr., EDGE, Wake Forest

64. Trey Hill, IOL, Georgia

95. Matt Bushman, TE, BYU

136. Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State

175. Amen Ogbongbemiga, LB, Oklahoma State

176. Thomas Graham Jr., CB, Oregon

180. Pooka Williams, RB, Kansas

211. Landon Young, OT, Kentucky

KChiefs1 01-28-2021 09:52 AM

32. Kansas City Chiefs
Jaelan Phillips
EDGE, Miami

64.Kansas City Chiefs
D'Wayne Eskridge
WR, Western Michigan

95.Kansas City Chiefs
Walker Little
OT, Stanford

136.Kansas City Chiefs
Rashad Weaver
EDGE, Pittsburgh

175.Kansas City Chiefs
Josh Imatorbhebhe
WR, Illinois

176.Kansas City Chiefs
Sadarius Hutcherson
IOL, South Carolina

180.Kansas City Chiefs
Drake Jackson
IOL, Kentucky

211.Kansas City Chiefs
Malcolm Koonce
EDGE, Buffalo

KChiefs1 01-28-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15478133)


KC
51.Kadarius Toney
WR Florida

KC
72.Josh Myers
OC Ohio State

KC
95.Jabril Cox
LB LSU

KC
105.Quincy Roche
EDGE Miami (FL)

KC
130.Sage Surratt
WR Wake Forest

2022 LAC 2nd
2022 WAS 3rd

Chris Meck 01-29-2021 04:22 PM

KC
32.

Jalen Mayfield
OT Michigan
KC
64.

Rashad Weaver
EDGE Pitt
KC
95.

Amari Rodgers
WR Clemson
KC
130.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
KC
162.

Quinn Meinerz
OG Wisconsin-Whitewater
KC
224.

Olaijah Griffin
CB USC

The Franchise 01-29-2021 06:46 PM

54.

Jaelan Phillips
EDGE Miami (FL)
trade icon
KC
64.

Liam Eichenberg
OT Notre Dame
KC
84.

Amari Rodgers
WR Clemson
trade icon
KC
95.

Hunter Long
TE Boston College
KC
105.

Jabril Cox
LB LSU
trade icon
KC
130.

Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
KC
162.

JaCoby Stevens
S LSU
KC
224.

Frank Darby
WR Arizona State

Chris Meck 01-30-2021 05:39 PM

I took some trades back, and took a WR in the first just to see how it played out.
KC
32.
Kadarius Toney
WR Florida
KC
MORE TOYS for Andy. #2 receiver.

64.
Liam Eichenberg
OT Notre Dame
KC
plug and play LT starter they say, fundamentally sound and ready to go.

121.
Payton Turner
EDGE Houston
trade icon
KC
Spags approved length and high motor pass rusher.

131.
Jack Anderson
OG Texas Tech
KC
perfect fit for a Reid OG.

152.
Drake Jackson
OC Kentucky
trade icon
KC
Good Center prospect.

163.
JaCoby Stevens
S LSU
KC
At long last, a Dirty Dan upgrade. Big safety tailor made for the role.

175.
Robert Rochell
CB Central Arkansas
trade icon
KC
developmental CB with Spags approved length

225.
Lorenzo Neal
DT Purdue
excellent size and tools, could develop into a terror inside.

The Franchise 01-31-2021 01:35 PM

So I was ****ing around and drafting as the Lions. Washington offered me #19 and a 1st round next year to move up to 7, so I took it. I’m sitting at #19 and the Chiefs offered me their 1st, 2nd and a 2nd next year for Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB out of Notre Dame.

Found it random and weird.

Direckshun 02-03-2021 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15520321)
So I was ****ing around and drafting as the Lions. Washington offered me #19 and a 1st round next year to move up to 7, so I took it. I知 sitting at #19 and the Chiefs offered me their 1st, 2nd and a 2nd next year for Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB out of Notre Dame.

Found it random and weird.

They must know you're a Fightin' Irish guy.

Because that makes no sense for us.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 11:10 AM

So this will be interesting.

Cosmi and Slater went 13 and 14. Marshall went to the Ravens at 27.

Darrisaw and Mayfield went off the board before I pick.

So I have my choice of Jenkins, Leatherwood, or Eichenberg at tackle, Jaelen Phillips or Kadarius Toney.

I chose Toney. I don't think Leeatherwood or Eichenberg are even suited to play tackle in an offense like this. I thought about Jenkins and Phillips but the head injuries worry me.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 11:14 AM

It looks like the top 3 suggested picks for me when I run it are Leatherwood, Eichenberg, Phillips, and Mac Jones.

For offensive line, Cosmi, Slater, Darrisaw, Mayfield, Vera-Tucker, and Davis are always gone before I pick. Jenkins is gone about 50% of the time.

Marshalle always goes somewhere in the 20's and Bateman usually goes either right before or right after him. Toney goes before my pick about 50%.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 11:21 AM

I ran a couple of 3 rounders just to see what I could get.

Not only is there always a run on OL at the end of the first, there's one in the middle of the 2nd too.

It almost always leads me to taking Azeez Ojulari in the first and then being forced to look at someone like Amon-Ra St. Brown in the 2nd.

Twice now by the end of the 2nd, there are no real quality OL prospects left. Always well into the 2nd tier by then.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 11:39 AM

Here's my full 7-round mock.

Not real happy with the way the board opened up for me, with a TON of Edge, WR, and DB's always BPA. If I just went by BPA, I would have ended up with nothing other than those 4. As it is, it's still very heavily slanted.

32. Azeez Ojulari - EDGE, Georgia
64. Amon-Ra St. Brown - WR, USC
95. Hamsah Nasirildeen - S, Florida State
136. Dazz Newsome - WR, North Carolina
175. Reed Blankenship - S, Middle Tennessee
176. Sadarius Hutchinson - IOL, South Carolina
180. Deommodore Lenoir - CB, Oregon
211. Naquan Jones - IDL, Michigan State

DrRyan 02-03-2021 11:44 AM

Strange draft I just ran on there. 7 WRs going before the KC pick with Rondale Moore going at 29 to the Packers. Jalen Mayfield was the best apparent value on that one. Azeez gone as well as Jaelan Phillips.

Left me stuck not taking WR until Dez Fitzpatrick at 136 and Josh Imatorbhebhe at 176 who could maybe/hopefully replace Sammy down the road as the bigger, physical WR but expecting much contribution out of either year one seems optimistic but he seemed like a worthy flyer that could hit.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 15524823)
Strange draft I just ran on there. 7 WRs going before the KC pick with Rondale Moore going at 29 to the Packers. Jalen Mayfield was the best apparent value on that one. Azeez gone as well as Jaelan Phillips.

Left me stuck not taking WR until Dez Fitzpatrick at 136 and Josh Imatorbhebhe at 176 who could maybe/hopefully replace Sammy down the road as the bigger, physical WR but expecting much contribution out of either year one seems optimistic but he seemed like a worthy flyer that could hit.

Sounds like what I ran into, only with OL.

There were people earlier in this thread taking Mayfield at #64. I ran a half dozen mocks of at least 1 round and he never made it to #32 for me, let alone #64.

duncan_idaho 02-03-2021 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15524834)
Sounds like what I ran into, only with OL.

There were people earlier in this thread taking Mayfield at #64. I ran a half dozen mocks of at least 1 round and he never made it to #32 for me, let alone #64.

They've updated their board. He is now in the 30s.

Your experience has been way different than mine. I'm going to run another one and see how it breaks out.

O.city 02-03-2021 01:30 PM

Those runs are what scare me. It's all about feeling the board and the flow. If Veach thinks a run on say Guards or tackles or WR's is coming before they pick again, take your favorite one at 32?

htismaqe 02-03-2021 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15525067)
Those runs are what scare me. It's all about feeling the board and the flow. If Veach thinks a run on say Guards or tackles or WR's is coming before they pick again, take your favorite one at 32?

I'm not taking a guy that's generally lasting into the 50's at 32. I'd rather take my chances that he's there at 64 or even trade up from 64.

I'm not gonna panic for an offensive lineman. No way.

The Franchise 02-03-2021 01:56 PM

What do we think of Vera-Tucker? He seems to make it to #32 a lot.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15525119)
What do we think of Vera-Tucker? He seems to make it to #32 a lot.

For me, he was going in the 20's. Never made it to 32.

The Franchise 02-03-2021 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15525123)
For me, he was going in the 20's. Never made it to 32.

I致e run it 5 times and he痴 been there 3 of them.

htismaqe 02-03-2021 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15525138)
I致e run it 5 times and he痴 been there 3 of them.

I imagine if I run it a few more times, I could get a few. Probably just a bad run of RNG.

The Franchise 02-03-2021 03:21 PM

32. Kadarius Toney, WR,
64. Jevon Holland, S,
95. Patrick Jones II, EDGE,
136. Daelin Hayes, EDGE,
175. Olaijah Griffin ,CB,
176. Adrian Ealy, OT,
180. Jermar Jefferson, RB,
211. Austin Watkins, WR,

There weren’t any opportunities to grab an OT early. In this situation, I’d resign Remmers and start him at LT. Put Niang at RT and develop Ealy.

duncan_idaho 02-03-2021 03:29 PM

I ran it today.

32. Dillon Radunz (No WR worth this spot, Ojulari was gone, scared of Phillips concussion issues now, I think the team grade is higher on him than for many - really, this is a perfect Andy Reid tackle)
64. Dayo Odeyingbo (Best value. 2nd round worthy OL did not make it here)
95. Tylan Wallace (best-rated WR there, though KC might prefer Marquez Stevenson or Dyami Brown or the Louisville kid here)

I don't think that site's rankings are quite as good as a place like PFN.

Here's what I just ran at PFN, which lets you make trades AND has an AI trade engine that is pretty good. I think their board is a little better right now, too.

41. Terrance Marshall, Jr. WR (trade down)
64. Dillon Radunz, OT
72. Quinn Meinerz, C (the second trade down pick, let's me use it on a IOL upgrade)
95. Dayo Odeyingbo, DE (super excited about his potential, think this may be more of a 2nd round pick)
137. Monty Rice, LB (trade down, speedy LB for depth/ST, could develop into a good nickel/dime LB alongside Gay)
163. William Bradley-King, DE (this is another scheme fit; Bradley-King is a long, physical end with some upside)
168. Jaelon Darden, WR (this pick moved up in one of my trades; with it, I go BPA and get someone who can be used in the return game to allow Hardman a bigger role in the offense. He's a poor man's Kadarius Toney, IMO)

A draft like this shapes up as a best-case scenario for KC, IMO. They get a bunch of guys who can help. You'd have to bring Remmers back in this situation, because I think Radunz needs a year in an NFL S&T program before he can really take off (the reason he's more of a Day 2 than Day 1 guy, IMO). You'd roll the dice with Radunz and Niang and hope one of them is ready to start.

Meinerz would give you an instant starter at C, let you save money on Reiter, and potentially upgrade in a big way there.

Odeyingbo and Bradley-King are developmental guys who fit the system well, can contribute as rotation guys next year, and give you more pass rush juice. Lot of upside there, IMO.

Rice is depth. Darden is depth. Both have a little upside.

And i've saved the best for last. Getting Marshall Jr AND trading down seems too good to be true, and might be. But adding a 6-3 WR who is versatile enough to play inside or out, with the RAC skills different look he'd add to this offense would be phenomenal.

Hoover 02-03-2021 04:07 PM

32. Liam Eichenberg - OT
64. Amon-Ra St. Brown - WR
95. Patrick Joned II - Edge
136. Deommodore Lenoir - CB
175. James Empey - IOL
176. Ihmir Smith-Marsette - WR
180. Cole Van Lanen. - OT
211. Grant Stuard - LB

htismaqe 02-03-2021 05:05 PM

My problem with Eichenberg at 32 is that I don't know if he can even play tackle in this scheme. His ability to play in space is questionable at best. He's a good run blocker but he's a guy that would probably be a guard in this offense.

kccrow 02-03-2021 07:55 PM

Let the draft come to me primarily. If anything, knowing how it went down, I'd wait even longer on WR. So much talent available all through there.


32.

Kansas City Chiefs
Alijah Vera-Tucker
IOL, USC
64.

Kansas City Chiefs
Jevon Holland
S, Oregon
95.

Kansas City Chiefs
Patrick Jones II
EDGE, Pittsburgh
136.

Kansas City Chiefs
Anthony Schwartz
WR, Auburn
175.

Kansas City Chiefs
Bobby Brown III
IDL, Texas A&M
176.

Kansas City Chiefs
Josh Imatorbhebhe
WR, Illinois
180.

Kansas City Chiefs
Marco Wilson
CB, Florida
211.

Kansas City Chiefs
K.J. Britt
LB, Auburn

htismaqe 02-03-2021 10:20 PM

What does drafting Vera-Tucker get us? We'd still have needs at C and OT.

Direckshun 02-04-2021 08:25 AM

You could theoretically put Allegretti there.

Or you could re-sign Reiter for $$$ or re-sign Kilgore for $.

Direckshun 02-04-2021 08:26 AM

kccrow,

Concerned at all about Patrick Jones' Senior Bowl performance?

htismaqe 02-04-2021 09:39 AM

I've run 3 again this morning.

What it comes down to for me is that the guys that are most likely to be there are Leatherwood, Eichenberg, and Vera-Tucker (Mayfield again went in the 20's all 3 times). The WR's I covet, particularly Marshall, are also going off the board before 32 most of the time. Vera-Tucker is a guard and I just can't justify the pick. We need an OT more than anything else. Leatherwood is also probably going to be a guard.

I'm not sold on Eichenberg being a top flight tackle with some of his issues but he's by far the safest pick here in terms of getting immediate return. I could always take Phillips here despite the concussions or Ojulari but I'm not 100% convinced Ojulari can be a 4-3 every down DE.

For that reason, I think the only sure pick is Eichenberg.

32. Liam Eichenberg, OT Notre Dame

As I explained above, I'm looking here for return on investment. Eichenberg at this pick probably has a floor of starting RT and a ceiling of starting LT. Due to the holes we have, he's going to play right away and certainly, the Chiefs staff can work on his technique to help him in space.

64. Dayo Odeyingbo, Edge Vanderbilt

Another potential Day 1 starter. As you'll see in the rest of my picks, I value versatility, especially because I think the Chiefs value it as well. Dayo played several positions in college, even sliding inside to 3T. He also could play OLB in a 3-4. He's a chess piece and we all know how Spags loves that.

95. Amari Rodgers, WR Clemson

Slot WR, built like a RB, can figure into the running game as well as the return game. Needs work on his route running but he's a great, versatile fit for a WCO.

129. Richard LeCounte III, S Georgia

Another player with versatility, a little bit in the HB mold. He can cover slot WR's, he can cover RB's, he can play in multiple sub packages. He could also be a full-time participant in ST right away.

175. Sadarius Hutcherson, IOL South Carolina

Again, it's all about versatility. He's played OT and OG, he's played on the left and on the right. He has a great chance to make the team because he can play every position except C. I took Hutcherson and the previous pick (LeCounte) in pretty much every mock I ran. I like them both a lot for the value.

176. Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR Iowa

Developmental WR with size and speed. Has the ability to contribute in both the running and passing game. A lot of unrealized potential in Iowa's pro style offense.

180. Josh Imatorbhebhe, WR Illinois

Another Big 10 WR here but this one is a pure developmental prospect. I don't know if Imatorbhebhe will ever be able to adjust to a WCO but his measurable are off the chart so it's worth a shot.

211. Naquan Jones, IDL Michigan State

A big body that didn't get to play much at a school that is usually stacked with talent on the DL. What few snaps he did get, he flashed but he needs a lot of development. However, guys that weigh 325 and are quick are rare.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15526171)
You could theoretically put Allegretti there.

Or you could re-sign Reiter for $$$ or re-sign Kilgore for $.

Reiter is likely too expensive, Kilgore is JAG.

Allegretti is probably the most likely candidate but he's also a pretty good LG.

I'm not suggesting we have to take a center, it just seems like a waste to take a guard when we have several already.

The Franchise 02-04-2021 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526266)
Reiter is likely too expensive, Kilgore is JAG.

Allegretti is probably the most likely candidate but he's also a pretty good LG.

I'm not suggesting we have to take a center, it just seems like a waste to take a guard when we have several already.

They signed Britt. Maybe they think they can plug him in and he値l be average.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526319)
They signed Britt. Maybe they think they can plug him in and he値l be average.

If that's the case, then we need a guard even less.

I honestly don't get the discussion sometimes and it's not really specific people, it just seems to come in waves. It's several days of "we have to get a tackle" and then mock draft a guard and no tackles?

The Franchise 02-04-2021 10:29 AM

So I wonder what happens if Wylie looks at least average on Sunday. Do they think about bringing him back as a starting RT?

htismaqe 02-04-2021 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526338)
So I wonder what happens if Wylie looks at least average on Sunday. Do they think about bringing him back as a starting RT?

He's a RFA so they probably bring him back regardless unless somebody gives him a big offer. I don't know if they would play him at RT or LG though. They seem to prefer him at guard.

The Franchise 02-04-2021 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526345)
He's a RFA so they probably bring him back regardless unless somebody gives him a big offer. I don't know if they would play him at RT or LG though. They seem to prefer him at guard.

So this is all going to hinge on Schwartz and if he痴 done. If he痴 back healthy next year, then I would bring back Remmers and either put Remmers at LT or give Niang a shot in camp.

I知 just not seeing that we absolutely need to draft a LT at 32.

Niang/Remmers - Allegretti - Britt/Rookie - LDT - Schwartz

htismaqe 02-04-2021 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526353)
I知 just not seeing that we absolutely need to draft a LT at 32.

Me either.

But when I suggested it, I got pounced on for saying it.

That's what is confusing me.

The Franchise 02-04-2021 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526364)
Me either.

But when I suggested it, I got pounced on for saying it.

That's what is confusing me.

Honestly....if Marshall is sitting at the 26-28 range....I知 fine with trading up for him. If not that....then trade out of 32 because I知 not seeing anyone there that I really like.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526378)
Honestly....if Marshall is sitting at the 26-28 range....I知 fine with trading up for him. If not that....then trade out of 32 because I知 not seeing anyone there that I really like.

Me either.

I just don't know how to react to it anymore.

First it was "we need guards" and then it was center and now it's offensive tackle but yet nobody really has a good plan to actually improve the positions - they just wanna throw numbers at it and hope it goes away.

It seems like a lot of people are dead set on drafting offensive linemen and will just take whichever one is there. And I know that's not kccrow, not trying to single him out, but that's just the latest one I see.

The Franchise 02-04-2021 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526392)
Me either.

I just don't know how to react to it anymore.

First it was "we need guards" and then it was center and now it's offensive tackle but yet nobody really has a good plan to actually improve the positions - they just wanna throw numbers at it and hope it goes away.

It seems like a lot of people are dead set on drafting offensive linemen and will just take whichever one is there. And I know that's not kccrow, not trying to single him out, but that's just the latest one I see.

I知 still for taking a guard or center in the 3rd or later. But I also think we need to grab another rangy LB like Cox if we can. More LB depth is desperately needed.

mkp785 02-04-2021 04:48 PM

32.

Kansas City Chiefs
Jaelan Phillips
EDGE, Miami
64.

Kansas City Chiefs
Trey Hill
IOL, Georgia
95.

Kansas City Chiefs
D'Wayne Eskridge
WR, Western Michigan
136.

Kansas City Chiefs
Janarius Robinson
EDGE, Florida State
175.

Kansas City Chiefs
Landon Young
OT, Kentucky
176.

Kansas City Chiefs
Amari Rodgers
WR, Clemson
180.

Kansas City Chiefs
Chatarius Atwell
WR, Louisville
211.

Kansas City Chiefs
Josh Ball
OT, Marshall

I went heavy on rushers and WRs. I have no interest in bringing Sammy/DRob back. We also need another rusher now on the other side of Frank-who's contract we can get out of at the end of next season if we really needed to get some cap room. Either way, we need more guys to get to the QB.

We can grab a LB as a UDFA after the draft we don't really value that spot anyway and have the Ghey coming back next season to beast out.

htismaqe 02-04-2021 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15526432)
I知 still for taking a guard or center in the 3rd or later. But I also think we need to grab another rangy LB like Cox if we can. More LB depth is desperately needed.

I thought about Cox but he only made it to 95 once in the mocks I ran.

kccrow 02-04-2021 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15525926)
What does drafting Vera-Tucker get us? We'd still have needs at C and OT.

Vera-Tucker is going to get the chance to play LT in this league, guaranteed. That said, I may be grasping a bit at straws if I were to project him there in KC. He does, alot like the Notre Dame kid, project better to a more run-oriented game. I don't know if I would necessarily project him in a mock I'd do outside of this game but at that point, he was easily the best player on the board.

kccrow 02-04-2021 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15526173)
kccrow,

Concerned at all about Patrick Jones' Senior Bowl performance?

Not really. I won't take him in the 1st though. I had reservations early on about his strength. His teammate, Weaver, is a better player but doesn't have the same athleticism (anymore). Jones needs to get stronger. He was still performed decently.

kccrow 02-04-2021 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15526392)
Me either.

I just don't know how to react to it anymore.

First it was "we need guards" and then it was center and now it's offensive tackle but yet nobody really has a good plan to actually improve the positions - they just wanna throw numbers at it and hope it goes away.

It seems like a lot of people are dead set on drafting offensive linemen and will just take whichever one is there. And I know that's not kccrow, not trying to single him out, but that's just the latest one I see.

I'm absolutely dead set on drafting offensive lineman. The when is the question. The Chiefs need, at minimum and in my opinion, two draft picks on the O-Line. I don't care how it gets sliced up, they need guys or will need guys.

Fisher, Schwartz, Rankin, and LDT are all free agents after the 2021 season. It doesn't matter a bit how we project the lineup for 2021. The Chiefs should have a good pulse on whether they'll have Schwartz in 2021 but Fisher is very unlikely to be anything in 21.

Aside from the 4 I listed above, they have Allegretti, Niang, and Durant under contract. Everyone else is a FA this year. Assume Schwartz plays and they bring back Wylie on a 1-year RFA deal (I can't fathom they don't) and they can get Remmers back on a vet deal... You still need another swing player at least and another guy besides Allegretti that can play center.

The best case I see right now is that Niang actually works at LT (he just might!).

LT: Niang, ? (Remmers, Rankin could fill in a pinch)
LG: Wylie, Rankin
OC: Allegretti, ?
RG: Duvernay-Tardif, Durant
RT: Schwartz, Remmers

IR: Fisher

No matter what, all that Red is no guarantee beyond this year. That doesn't leave things looking real good if you also MUST draft OLine in 2021.

I'm fully on board with picking your spots and not locking onto one guy, but if Niang doesn't project for the Chiefs to LT then they have to pick one early IMO. Honestly, I project Niang as a RT, not a LT. Maybe he'd be good enough to see if Fisher heals. I don't know. The Chiefs probably don't know either at this point.

duncan_idaho 02-05-2021 09:51 AM

I ran a clean DN mock this morning. Results:

1.32 - Kadarius Toney
, WR, UF. Best value available here and I wanted to see what it looked like if I waited on OT (Mayfield was available).
2.64 - Walker Little, LT, Stanford. Honestly, a better fit than Mayfield in KC's scheme.
3.95 - Janarius Ronbinson, DE, FSU. Huge toolbox, great athlete, needs coaching. Could really explode in KC with the way they've coached up DL.
4.136 - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC.
5.175 - Tre McKitty, TE, UGA. Athletic guy, good receiving, good-enough blocker, versatile
5.176 (comp) - James Empey, C, BYU. Potential fit in this system, mature guy, fellow Utah-ian for Andy Reid.
5.180 (comp) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas. Dynamic returner. Looking for depth at the Hardman/Hill slots and a returner who can take some of that load off Hardman.
7.211 - Robert Rochell, CB, Central Arkansas. This seems like a potential late-round steal to me. He's a long dude who is versatile. Some teams think he's an outside CB only. Some think he's a SS. Could blossom into a good fit for Spagnuolo's scheme.

Looking at all of that, I'd be really excited about that draft. I'd still need to address C somehow (either by spending to retain Reiter, or signing a FA vet C.

But it fills a lot of immediate needs, Little gives you a guy with the upside to be a really excellent LT, Toney is a playmaker who can be a dynamic weapon underneath, and you get a bunch of athleticism and upside on the defensive side.

2021 OL

LT - Remmers/Little
LG -Allegretti/Wylie
C - FA signing or Reiter/Empey
RG - LDT/Wylie
RT - Wylie/Niang

With this group, the hope would be Little and Niang both claim the T jobs as the year goes on. If Schwartz retires and Fisher is unavailable in 2021, that should free up enough cash to sign a C or keep Reiter (though I still wouldn't complain about pursuing Taylor Moton hard, unless they think Schwartz is going to recover).

2022 OL - best case here is you have two good young T on rookie deals. That lets you spend elsewhere as needed, maybe even on a RG upgrade.

LT - Little/Remmers
LG - Allegretti/FA signing or draft pick
C - FA Signing or Reiter/Empey
RG - Wylie/FA signing or draft pick
RT - Niang/Remmers

The Franchise 02-05-2021 10:12 AM

I just drafted Kyle Pitts at #32. LMAO

htismaqe 02-05-2021 10:30 AM

I ran another couple drafts.

1. The algorithm seems dead set on leaving me with Eichenberg. All the WR's are gone (EVERY TIME) and there's no real value pick at any other position. My choices always seem to be between Leatherwood, Jenkins, and Eichenberg and while I like Jenkins' upside, I don't think it makes him a better overall selection.

2. I still love Richard LeCounte III as a potential 3rd or 4th-round draft pick because of his versatility but twice this morning Holland has fallen to me at the end of the 2nd and he's just too good to pass up. He can play 3rd safety behind HB for a few years and then he and Thornhill can man those spots in the future.

3. Imagine my surprise when not once but TWICE I watch Jabril Cox rise to the top of the board and make it through 12-15 picks to still be waiting there at #95.

32. Liam Eichenberg, OT Notre Dame

64. Javon Holland, S Oregon

95. Jabril Cox, LB LSU

136. Dazz Newsome, WR North Carolina

175. Patrick Johnson, Edge Tulane

176. Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR Iowa

180. Tedarrell Slaton, IDL Florida

211. Landon Young, OT Kentucky

The Franchise 02-05-2021 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15528188)
I just drafted Kyle Pitts at #32. LMAO

Get ****ed NFL.

32.

Kyle Pitts
TE,
64.

Jevon Holland
S,
95.

James Hudson
OT,
136.

Rashad Weaver
EDGE,
175.

Olaijah Griffin
CB,
176.

Jermar Jefferson
RB,
180.

Austin Watkins
WR,
211.

Marquez Stevenson
WR,

The Franchise 02-05-2021 01:52 PM

Vera-Tucker is playing LT in this scenario.

32.

Alijah Vera-Tucker
IOL,
64.

Jevon Holland
S,
95.

Patrick Jones II
EDGE,
136.

Anthony Schwartz
WR,
175.

Drake Jackson
IOL,
176.

Jermar Jefferson
RB,
180.

Frank Darby
WR,
211.

Robert Rochell
CB,

kccrow 02-05-2021 02:49 PM

I just like playing with this thing, haha. Just crafting your own scenarios even if I don't think their rankings will match reality... I'd be really happy if it went down similar to this, to be honest. Mayfield, Myers, and Hutcherson are three of my favorite OL in this entire draft, as is Tryon at DE and Stevenson at WR. A definite stock up on the OL and at WR while trying to keep as close to BPA as possible. For the record, all the top WRs were off the board by pick 25. Other realistic options at 32 were Ojulari (not the best scheme fit, more of a 3-4 OLB), Moerhig (definitely think he'd be on the table), Phillips (I wouldn't draft a DE with a concussion history), Barmore (gave long pause on this one and I'm still unsure about passing on him), and Radunz (I like Mayfield more).

32. Jalen Mayfield OT, Michigan
64. Josh Myers IOL, Ohio State
95. Joe Tryon EDGE, Washington
136. James Wiggins S, Cincinnati
175. Sadarius Hutcherson IOL, South Carolina
176. Whop Philyor WR, Indiana
180. Ihmir Smith-Marsette WR, Iowa
211. Marquez Stevenson WR, Houston

htismaqe 02-05-2021 03:01 PM

If Mayfield falls, that would be great. I don't think he does, but we'll see.

And yes, I love Sadarius Hutcherson as I posted previously. Fits exactly what the Chiefs value in terms of versatility, has experience, and would be great value that late in the draft.

htismaqe 02-05-2021 03:28 PM

I'm totally addicted to this thing too but it hates me.

Once again, I'm basically pigeonholed into a tackle - at list this time, Radunz fell to me. And the middle rounds are just flooded with RB's and CB's that don't intrigue me at all.

32. Dillon Radunz, OT North Dakota State
64. Javon Holland, S Oregon
95. Amari Rodgers, WR Clemson
136. Rashad Weaver, Edge Pittsburgh
175. Patrick Johnson, Edge Tulane
176. Anthony Schwartz, WR Auburn
180. Kylin Hill, RB Mississippi State
211. Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR Iowa

Pitt Gorilla 02-05-2021 03:43 PM

If Najee Harris and Mac Jones are both still available at our pick, what are the odds we trade it (with the extra year of control)? I think that would be pretty valuable.

Pitt Gorilla 02-05-2021 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15528188)
I just drafted Kyle Pitts at #32. LMAO

That would be incredible. You could go ahead and call of next year's regular season as well.

htismaqe 02-05-2021 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15528909)
If Najee Harris and Mac Jones are both still available at our pick, what are the odds we trade it (with the extra year of control)? I think that would be pretty valuable.

Mac Jones is ALWAYS there when I pick at 32. Every single time. In fact, he's the top remaining prospect on the board at 32.

Let me see what I can get.

The Franchise 02-05-2021 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15528927)
Mac Jones is ALWAYS there when I pick at 32. Every single time. In fact, he's the top remaining prospect on the board at 32.

Let me see what I can get.

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