Best Chiefs roster in franchise history
 

Which roster do you think was/is the best in franchise history? And honestly why is it not this years roster?

-Chiefs have the best HC
-Arguably (we certainly think he is) the best DC in the league
-top 3 defense that only lost Sneed and should still be top 10
-an offense with 2 elite speed WR’s (Hollywood/Worthy), Rice and Wiley as a complimentary player to go with Mahomes/Kelce/Pacheco
-top 3 kicker in the league

Unless injuries occur (knock on wood) I think this team is KO’ing a lot of teams in the regular season like they did in 2020. Raiders are getting curb stomped. Broncos are getting beaten by double digits easy.

This team is so loaded man. Can 2020 or any other Chiefs team compare?

Probably a top 3 defense and offense so it is I think

The 2018-2019 offense was so loaded until Hunt got cut.

I think this should be the best offense since then.

This will likely be the second best defense of the Mahomes era.

So, probably the best total team on paper at least.

Don't start this shit again, because some thought this of last year's WR corps

Bring Kareem back...**** the optics ROFL

Bidding on dynasty territory ROFL

None of them ran 4.29 or 4.21 dude.

Come on. Don't be a turd.

Imagine what it must feel like to like other teams in the afc west right now. Poor kids.

Plus, Rice and Hollywood are proven commodities. We aren’t hoping that Toney figures it out or Moore takes a step forward.

The only thing that can stop this team are issues at corner opposite McDuffie.

Spags is not going to be able to play quite as aggressive with his corners anymore.

But that SHOULD be papered over by a return to being the #1 offense again.

You left out the one obvious thing that can derail this train in a heartbeat. Injuries. Other than that, the corner issue is the glaring concern, at this point in time.

Best GM in NFL history doesn’t hurt either

Yip

Bring back McKinnon and Donovan Smith and sign a veteran corner and we are in business. I think Reid and Mahomes are hungry to get this offense cranking again. It was a struggle to score 20+ last year. Would not surprise me whatsoever if they finish the year with the #1 offense. So much damn firepower.

Easily overlooked is the team of assistant coaches, position coaches, player-personnel guys, and scouts that Veech has put together....and an environment focused on winning, not egos.

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31 other teams are saying the same thing

They're definitely NOT saying this in Buffalo, Cincy, Los Angeles, Denver, Las Vegas or Miami.

Hank Stram’s team was pretty loaded with Hall of Fame talent.

Skill positions on offense are not even close.

Interesting thought experiment. Two game series. 1970 SB winning Chiefs (magically restored to youth, or resurrected if necessary) iv 2024 Chiefs squad.

Game one 1970 rules, uniforms and officials. No replay. Each member of 2023 squad must smoke two cigarettes during half time. Injured player can ‘juice up” as needed if injured.

Game two, 2023 rules , uniforms, officiating. No smoking in the locker rooms. No drugs.

Correct. But Mahomes is so good I believe he covers any delta by himself. Meaning I think spots 1-8 on Chiefs all time rosters have to be whatever ranking of Mahomes 8 years (counting 2024). Plus the modern day Chiefs have arguably two GOATs playing. As good as those Stram teams were, I’m not sure if there is a legit GOAT candidate there.

Honestly I think they’d have to call both games at half. Chris Jones would literally kill multiple lineman from the 60’s/70’s.

Yeah how they all were all terrible outside of Rice still shocks me to this day. At a minimum we know we have a ton of speed. That by itself will allow Kelce and Rice to feast. The defenses can't cheat or Mahomes will just lob it 50 yards down the field.

The rest if the league is cooked.

Yep, Mahomes throws for another 5000+ yard passing season. We don’t need Toney or Moore to step up. We needed them last year to step up and they didn’t but we still took home the SB trophy.

Brown-Rice-Worthy-Kelce

Smells a lot like

Bruce-Holt-Hakim-Proehl

More top end ability in the greatest show, but I think Worthy and Kelce are clearly a step up. Kelce's probably more of a comp to Faulk in the passing game at this point anyway.

Now imagine if Warner could run for 500 yards a year.

I hope we just kick every kickoff through the endzone so we don’t give up any trash td’s that give shit teams a chance.

Yeah, EJ Holub started at center and weighed 236 lbs.

We can love those old teams while still acknowledging that modern athletes would kill them.

We've never really had that combo of Top Offense AND Top Defense, but 2019 was close enough. The #1 offense and a decent enough defense to get us through.

2020 gets forgotten to time because of COVID, but we were absolute world beaters that year. Same team as 2019 with CEH pre-injury, Sneed, and Gay as rookies. The only thing that stopped that team were injuries. I still contend that Britt Reid ****ed us as well, but I'm not really bothered by it at this point.

2022 was the more balanced team, I just wish the defense didn't get slapped around in the Super Bowl, otherwise it would be remembered more fondly. And even so, I still believe the 2019/2020 teams were more dominant.

Bo Nix isn't worried.

It's a real 87/88 49ers dynamic.

The 87 49ers were absolutely dominant. Everyone expected them to walk through the league into the third ring. Got upset in the divisional round.

88 team struggled but put it together at the end.

We're living that dynasty experience! :)

One of these days we'll have another great season that goes awry and I'll be thinking about this video.

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Imagine allowing Chris Jones to "juice" and pitting him against 70's NFL players with their prehistoric levels of strength and conditioning. People literally would die. LMAO

Things are absolutely looking good.

Things to worry about.

LT is a question mark.

Injuries are always a concern and Kelce, while still bringing it, certainly looked old at times.

In the NFL, it seems you can always be blindsided by something.

Could use some depth at DT and RB.

Please do not use that word.

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It's always fun in the offseason (specifically now-ish) to say how amazing the roster looks on paper and get your hopes and expectations up. But each season is different and literally ANYTHING can happen to completely derail your chances. Hell, something ALREADY happened that was completely dumb and avoidable and could very negatively affect our season.

I'm not trying to be a party pooper, I like to think of myself more on the optimistic spectrum here, but more even keel about things and more realistic about the chaos that is an NFL season.

Sigh. I’m jacked up for this roster. I might put money down on an undefeated season, after seeing what we did and seeing what our rivals didn’t do.

What are the current Vegas odds?

The surest bet: Mahomes winning MVP again.

Minimum, 5,000 yards and 45 TD.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't hit 50 TD.

If it happens, it's because the Chiefs are killing clock and grinding down defeated defenses.

He already did this in 2022, but even that season, it was HARD for him, every week.

If no one gets hurt, this is going to be easy. Laughably easy. Teams are going to be giving us yards every snap.

LT is the only short term concern. Wanya having to start could be ugly.

I still think we should bring back Donovan Smith as insurance.

Yep. Hopefully we get some Donovan news in next couple weeks.

I think it's hard to predict before a regular season snap has been played with the current roster, but I imagine it's better than last years super bowl winning team minus Sneed.

People around here and in the league just don't appreciate the talent that was on the '69 Chiefs team.

6 Hall of Famers on defense. The other 5 were really good players in their own right. Greatest defense in NFL history.

The offense had Len Dawson, Otis Taylor, Mike Garrett, and Frank Pitts plus a really, really good offensive line.

Jan Stenerud, Jerrel Wilson, and Noland Smith on special teams. Stenerud is in the HOF. Wilson was one of the two best punters in the league and Smith was a great returner.

That team was loaded at every position. 8 total Hall of Famers. It should be considered one of the five greatest teams in NFL history.

Others already beat me to it, but 69 stands no chance given advances in modern training, juice, etc.

I just looked it up and Buck Buchanan was 6’7” 269. He was basically Kelce’s size playing DT lol

The 69 center was 236 and he was 6’4”. That dude was barely bigger than Kam Chancellor and he’d have to go up against Chris Jones for 60 minutes. That would be a legitimate rape.

Plus Lenny himself was only 6’ 190. Idk how tough the dude was but it’d be put to the test that day.

I used to think those 2019/2020 squads were loaded but in retrospect they were extremely too heavy with a lot of mid and garbage players on the bottom of the roster.

We have weaknesses now but fewer Scandricks, Sorensons, or Rieters.

Best interior line in the league. Best left guard best center & best right guard.

LOL no

They'd get their ass kicked by the 70s Steelers, 80s 49ers and 90s Cowboys.

And the 20s Chiefs. :clap:

Yep this exactly right. I threw $1,000 on Mahomes to win MVP Friday after the Worthy pick. +600. Will go on a nice vacation next March when it hits : )

4.27 and 4.21 speed. I dont think people understand how much that is going to open up the offense.

Definitely agree. I have reason to be optimistic as we did well in free agency with brown, and in the draft, certainly the first two picks.

I think we have a better team than our last two Super Bowl winners, but will we have a team that had as much luck? I hope so.

And there are definitely some question marks.
If we get Smith back we should be better at left tackle despite him being a year older.

And when we play teams with two elite receivers, we are going to miss Snead.

And the fact that no one has ever 3peated means we are really bucking the odds.

But I think we can do it

A threepeat, in the salary cap era? Man. It's hard to believe there's even a chance. If there's a team that ever could, this is it.

Conversely, if the new rules give inferior opponents cheap BS kickoff touchdowns, that just presents more opportunities for Mahomes to reach the 5K/50TD plateau again.....

Ain't it cool?

It's been a lot of fun watching teams trying to draft (and ultimately come up short) with the sole intention of taking Mahomes down, and now we're watching the league (arguably) implement new rules to give lesser teams a fighting chance against franchises with Mahomes-ian level talent (and there's only one of those).

Mahomes and the Chiefs are re-writing the standards of the NFL.

This.

I don't figure in the rookies because we have no idea what they will really end up being.

Nitpicking but it depends on fau

May need some more depth at de

No doubt, but 30 years from now, this team will be remembered as being loaded with HOF talent as well.

It's easy to say this NOW after we've seen a couple of seasons of Skyy Moore, but Worthy is going to walk in here light years ahead of where Skyy was coming out of the MAC and into the NFL. It's different this time.

I feel like we're all going to be pleasantly surprised with FAU this season. Just a hunch.

Don't get me wrong, I see a lot of potential and am excited about the rooks. When I see it on and NFL field I will start to get real excitement.

I think he was referring to my comment on the page prior ;)

We’re one Pacheco shoulder surgery (he’s already had 2), from watching CEH miss holes and run up the backs of our OL another year.

Proven depth at RB is terrible ATM, and I expect Veach to sign a veteran FA, trade, or even sign roster cuts out of preseason.

As it stands right now, LT and RB2 are this rosters biggest concerns.

I like some of the undrafted FAs we picked up.

I do feel like we’ll shy away from the run more and utilize more jet sweeps. However, I wouldn’t mind bringing back Damien Harris. He’s 4 years younger than McKinnon and already knows the system. Plug and play

I don't think that's nitpicking at all. With Omenihu unavailable, FAU needs to step it up, big time. But the Chiefs must have belief the pass rush will be okay since they didn't address it in the draft at all.

Yeah that year we lost Schwartz, Duvernay-Tardif, Osemele, and then losing Fisher was the final nail in that coffin. Then playing a Bucs team with a really good front. They could drop 8 into coverage and still have Mahomes running for his life at the snap.

It also didnt help that nobody could catch a cold in that game and we got fisted by some calls.

If you think KC's backups can win?

I don't see Andy playing starters just for an undefeated season.

If fau hits and plays well we’re gonna be tough

There’s still some vet de guys available so that shouldn’t be a problem

Need another rb

I would really appreciate getting an explanation of how the new kick return rules are intended to give lesser teams a better chance against us. I’d like to understand that.

In another post about what is the greatest dynasty ever I pointed out that the 1950s Montréal Canadiens were essentially so unbeatable, and especially on their power that the national hockey league change the power-play rules so that after you scored a goal, the penalized player came back on. That was a clear example of a league changing rules to handicap a team that Nobody else matched.

Is that the same situation here? If so, I’d like to understand it better.

Good point.

I still want Pacheco insurance and another WR to do some of the Rashee Rice stuff.

Because the way he was used last year isn't great over a lot of games for health.

If you look back at history, the only thing that stopped the 90 49ers, 94 Cowboys, 05 Patriots....injuries, coaching changes and the salary cap.

Montana got hurt in the NFCCG.

Erik Williams had a horrendous car crash in 1994 for Dallas. Ken Norton was lost to free agency. Jimmy Johnson left (yeah that seems kinda huge lmao).

Teddy Bruschi got a STROKE. Richard Seymour missed 4 games. Ty Law was lost to free agency. Both coordinators left.

No one has had a better chance since 1990. :)

Hey guys I get it but KC had a team with like 5 HOF players on it in the late 60's early 70's. And one of the best players on those teams isn't even in the HOF unfortunately.

Shit we are so stacked that we just signed the best punter in history on a min contract, just in case. Thanks again, Buffalo.

The roster is players only. I wonder how the 94 team would stack up? It had Montana.

Yeah we’ve discussed that some. Great teams. But if you’re telling me to pick the all time (from an individual year basis) roster, there is no way that roster can be without Patrick Mahomes. No way.

I don't know how you can truly compare the teams from that far back to the current. The speed of today versus the violence of yesteryears is so far apart that it makes it impossible.

You can’t. The 60s is going too far back.

It’s been said already but the 69 Chiefs’ center was 6’4” 236. That’s basically Mahomes. Imagine Mahomes at center going up against Chris Jones for 60 snaps lol it would be a merciless slaughter.

They’d have no answer for guys like Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelce, Tyreek Hill. The league hasn’t seen guys like that yet.

couple that with no salary cap in those days and roster building was way easier.

Took a swing at roster projection. I think this is the up-to-date list after camp and UDFA signings (note - did not include minicamp invites).

I believe we have 98 players on the roster, and the roster size needs to be at 90, so there are 8 cuts to be made.

I believe there are 41 locks, 3 very likely, 20 players with a 50/50 shot, and 34 players with a less than 50/50 shot.

Combining the 41 locks and 3 very likely players, that leave 9 openings on the roster for 54 guys to fight over. That's crazy, and there's going to be serious talent that we cut!

I called out only 2 reasonable holes on our roster at this time:
Hole 1 - a veteran OT, which can easily be filled by signing Donovan Smith
Hole 2 - a RB 2/3, which may already filled by LRZ or our UDFA's. I would not be surprised to see a veteran RB brought in for camp to compete.

Veach was asked about possibly bringing back players like Smith (LT) or Hardman (WR), and he said they want to get through OTA's to see what they have, but as it stands they feel pretty good about what they have now.

Interesting that they feel Wanya and Kingsley may be enough at LT.

Also noted that the battle will be at starting LT and RB3 and they'll need ST chops. Sounds like CEH might be a lock.

I suppose they could start Jawaan Taylor at left tackle, like we once thought they would

For most of my life, any discussion along these lines started and stopped with "look at how many hall of famers were on the 1969 team". They fielded eight hall of famers plus Jim Tyrer and Otis Taylor. Discussion closed.

But now? Now we're looking at that's won three of the last five Super Bowls and easily could have won the last six in a row. The discussion of whether this is the best roster in the team's history is really merely a question of whether it's better than last year's roster.

I'll give it a thumbs up. This is the best roster in team history.

The OL and DL I'd agree.

I do wonder if today's skill position players would be as effective against the old school, when you could just murder guys all over the field.

Bob Hayes was faster than Deion Sanders and Darrell Green and didn't destroy everyone.

If we're playing by the old rules? It might be different.

Man it's crazy to look back at some old box scores.

Bob Hayes was basically Tyreek and had 1 catch for 1 yard in the 1966 championship game. LMAO

Context needs to be clarified in this discussion. The current generation of players would kill players from the 60's, 70s, and probably 80s. Most, if not all of this year's playoff teams would beat the '69 Chiefs - handily. What context are we discussing? The most talented roster ever or the most talented roster compared to the rest of the league?