*** Brett Veach Appreciation Thread ***
 

I haven't started a thread in many years, but I was thinking this morning (after searching to find one of these type of threads on here) about the Chris Jones scenario. And it would seem to me based on what we know about Veach and Reid, that we shouldn't be concerned.

The ability this team now has to find and develop talent is OTHERWORLDLY.

Chris Jones is an AMAZING talent, but what's the difference between $25m and $30m at the end of the day? Not THAT much. He's set. Jones is just pissed off that the Chiefs didn't sign Frank Clark, so he's being a bitch about it.

But Brett Veach ALWAYS finds a great talent to replace whoever is in there.

He found Patrick Mahomes II and begged the Chiefs to draft him.

The way he assembles teams is something we've never seen in KC and maybe never before seen even in the NFL. And he was born in 1977, IIRC.

So, In Veach I Trust. He will be a pro football Hall of Famer, IMO.

What are some of your favorite things that Veach has done that you'd like to thank him about?

I like how he gets players that play for the Kansas City Chiefs and win Super Bowls

That's a pretty good trait that I like to have with my GM, as well. Good call. ROFL

I’d like to thank BV for ignoring the candy bar wrappers in the stairwell & focusing on winning Super Bowls.

Candy wrappers in the stairwell... and all former Chiefs players OUT of the family. Pioli was such a piece of shit. :LOL:

My favorite general manager in the national football league is Brad Veech

in my lifetime we went from

Damnit Carl :banghead:

to

mother**** you Pioli 4321

to

all hail Burt Veach! :hail::wayne:

This is passion...

https://i.imgur.com/lm0EML5.jpg

Of course, we were also told prior to this year that Barndt Vestibule couldn't draft WRs. I'm guessing some folks may have changed their minds.

only focus on the 5% of chief fans that are pessimistic, ignore the rest!

Who's Brett Veach? Bart Varch is my favorite GM

The prep cooks(coaches) do a very good job with those well chosen groceries

Hey you guys remember John Dorsey? Me either. (aside from Drafting Mahomes and Kelce)

I guess we should send him a bit of appreciation also. Hopefully they sent him a SB54 ring.

Who? Do you mean Burnt Peach??

Is he still GM somewhere?

If he's done what it appears he's done with the WR room ( that he's done with the offensive line, secondary, and LB corps already) get his statue and gold jacket ready - and get ready to lose every guy underneath him because he's figured out the cheat code and every team is going to want a piece of that.

Let's not suck our own dicks yet. The position looks promising but not one of them has proven dick yet.

Let's see how it plays out

Live look at Veach planning his next move.
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You mean the Dorsey who drafted four of NFL.com top ten players in the league ? That Dorsey ? And don’t start in this Veach gets credit for Mahomes myth .

Loser.

Never heard of him

Veach was largely responsible for getting Mahomes in KC.

He's done a great job giving the offensive line, and now the wide receiver room longterm stability.

He's been truly elite at finding low-rounders and UDFAs, and bargain bin trades. It's legitimately absurd how good he is at that.

He's given the DE room a lot of talent, we'll see how it develops over time.

He's built one of the best LB rooms in the NFL, and of course has constructed a secondary on a shoestring budget.

His drafts, with the exception of the 2018 abomination, have given the Chiefs Pro Bowl caliber players every single year.

And even though he has signed some stinker deals over the years, he has done an elite job of managing the cap and mitigating those mistakes as much as he could.

He will take risks as well, which work for him as often as they don't. The Tyreek Hill trade was a masterclass, and the Mahomes contract was the best contract in NFL history until the Jalen Hurts deal came down the pipeline.

It's really, really hard to complain about him as GM. He's been the best we've ever had, though I think John Dorsey's drafting record was stronger. Veach has been superior literally everywhere else.

That being said, the Chris Jones drama could end up being the biggest blunder of his tenure here. It's not that he needs to cave as soon as possible to Jones, it's that he should have been able to detect how impossible this was going to be early in the process, like he did with Tyreek, so he can pawn him off for the highest possible return, which he would have gotten this offseason.

Now both teams are stuck in this toxic dance, where the Chiefs are going to have to slowly work in a disgruntled Jones into the rotation and hope he plays well enough that he can still net the team a nice return in a trade, assuming he doesn't come way down.

LMAO Kind of shocked there are still folks stupid enough to refuse to acknowledge the humongous part Veach played in bringing Mahomes here.

well.... when the national pundits crapped all over the chiefs for both selecting mahomes AND the draft capital they gave up , it was all Dorsey . when smith started at QB the next year and people thought they should have helped the defense it was all Dorsey. when Dorsey got canned ( and he sucked at people skills AND cap management / contracts) and a relatively unknown and unproven Veach took over THEN AND ONLY THEN did the "Veach as a scout is the only scout in nfl history who is responsible for his GM's draft pick" myth arrive. timing is everything in life. , don't get mesmerized by the laundry and attempt to think critically. or just keep washing the wrinkles right out of Veach's balls . be my guest

You do realize we have actual first hand accounts of all parties involved, right?

you do realize that scouts make assessments every day of the week . veach made an assessment . so did Dorsey . Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes. name one other draft pick who gets attributed to a scout , not the actual GM. also please name me all of the nfl top 100 players veahch has either drafted, signed as a free agent or traded for in 5 years. I am waiting . ........

LMAO Wut? Pretty obvious you haven't read ANY of the multiple articles on the subject, but Veachs involvement was MUCH more than just an 'assessment'.

What the **** are you even babbling about? Dorsey was fired 2 months after Mahomes was drafted.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/05/pa...ting-nfl-draft

I'm a bit shocked we still have Dorsey stans around here. As good as his eye for talent is, the fact he hasn't been able to land even a Director of Football Operations job should be a pretty massive tell for what the league thinks of him as a GM.

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Man Called his shot. All Hail Beret Veecks!

i love bork laser!

haha, remember when one of you guys said Brett Veach was a 'foot shuffling porter'? Which one of you was it, I don't remember, but that's a tough phrase to forget.

Who was it?

Never said that . I have no Issues with Veach . Seems like no one here has ever worked for a big company. In big companies everyone is always the best in the world and great people to boot , until they hit the door . Then they sucked and their subordinates who stayed behind were the real stars all along . The same shit in my law firm every year for 33 years . It is human nature . So who is the fifth best player the Chiefs acquired in the last ten years . We know who the top four were. Would vote for Hunt . Guess Dorsey doesn’t get credit for him either ? No GM is perfect . Dorsey is a huge douche which may play a role in his employment status as his track record on top end talent would seem to be enough for him to find a home . Not dissing Veach but don’t make believe that Dorsey hasn’t played a role in their success

He drafted CEH in the first round.

FAIL!

Yeah, well. Nobody's perfect. That one certainly hasn't worked out.

nd Dorsey does receive some credit somewhere. He started stacking the roster with Veach and went to Cleveland and stacked that roster.

Dorsey has been an aces personnel man. He must be truly miserable to work with, however.

His drafts were all money. Literally 100% of the players he drafted in the 1st round were Pro Bowlers, and he drafted 4 HOF players. And it might have been five had Kareem Hunt not been a massive tool.

His drafts were consistently very good to flat-out-great. He couldn't navigate free agency very efficiently, however, and couldn't manage the cap very well.

His job was different from Veach's, however. Dorsey took over a 2-14 team with Alex Smith at QB. He could afford to be patient, keep grinding tape and adding the best players he could find no matter what position they played.

Veach took over at the start of the Mahomes era, and his job has been to keep the team at Super Bowl caliber year in and year out, which sometimes means hyperaggression and narrow free agency targets. He was able to rebuild an entire 3-4 defense into a 4-3 defense in one offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the offensive line in a single offseason. He was able to completely rebuild the secondary in one offseason. He has been able to consistently plug holes at offensive skill positions. He's been able to max out the cap and still keep it healthy year after year.

The Chris Jones contract standoff has honestly been the nadir of his GM career so far, but I've no doubt he'll find a way to spin Jones into multiple draft picks and do something insane like rebuild the DL in a single offseason.

If you remember, Mahomes was very high on CEH and wanted to draft him.

Mahomes was not drafted a finished product. No expensive was spared in preparing him. That was not Dorsey's or Veach's doing

I feel bad for Nick. His dad's a reerun.

****ing love Burnt Quiche!

John Dorsey, is that you?

If this thread reaches 100 posts, carcosa will tell us the GM of his favorite professional football team.

Didn't Dorsey want more power/control when negotiating his next contract and made it a decision between him and Reid? Or am I just making this up?

I do know that people just hate working with the guy, that much I think has been pretty well documented.

If you can’t refute the argument call names . Cool .

Draft - L'Jarius Sneed, Willie Gay, Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey, Nick Bolton, Isaiah Pacheco.

Free Agency - Frank Clark, Tyrann Mathieu, Joe Thuney Orlando Brown Jr, Justin Reid, JJSS, MVS

Thats not including the multitude of solid role players that contributed to us winning, as well as multiple young guys/newly signed free agents that haven't proved themselves.

Dorsey was a good drafter.

of course, Veach was his head scout, no?

But Dorsey was shit at cap management, and is apparently such an asshole that nobody wants to work with him, despite being a really good personnel guy.

So whatever.

I feel bad for Nick.

At last. BWillie on the side of good rather than troll.

This guy picked a very odd Dorsey-ish hill to die upon.

It's wild that a guy who drafted Mahomes, Hill, Kelce and Jones gets so little credit. I'd much rather have Veach but JFC those draft picks are insane and absolutely essential to our SBs.

I agree Veach is an all-round better GM and any sustained success is on him. But I'm happy to give that insufferable p**** Dorsey his dues as well.

A QB was not just dumped in Andy Reid's lap. Then he was told to develop him. With out Reid's input, giving up the picks and Andy's time to work with him. Hunt's money. The GM at the time is not relevant

Sounds like the embodiment of the Packers.

I mean, I agree in so much as I think the importance of Veach is a distant 3rd to Reid and Mahomes (though obviously credit is due re his role in the 2nd). I think last year is where he gets most of the kudos simply because of Mahomes' cap hit. Building a roster that's good enough around that ain't easy. Maybe the roster was only good enough because of Reid's wizardry and Mahomes' greatness, but it was good enough, and that was his job.

Thanks Brett

How is it a myth?

Brett and Clark have been my Adopt-a-Chief for years......

It all starts at the top.

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They obviously didn't try hard enough.

He’ll speaking to the media in about 15 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/live/1gurQA9...ixRpI0MmpaJLik


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He was never going to be good for the Pats. He's a guy who thrives on being the number two or three option. He was best when AB was at his best.

Yeah, there are a small handful of y'all that need to softly suckle the underside of his gooch right about now.

What he has done with the defense is better than what he has done on offense.

And that may change quickly because Rashee Rice is looking a lot like a version of Sammy Watkins that doesn't die every other game.

This is his best work yet. The depth we have on defense is amazing

Didn't expect him to outdo the 2021 draft class so quickly but 2022 looks like it has the makings of a legitimate Grand Slam class.

I think there's a good argument to make that this could end up being the best Chiefs team we ever have (or ever will).

It's clearly the best defense we've had in the Mahomes era and very probably the entire Reid era. We're looking at a HoF caliber DT, a deep and excellent secondary and possibly the best LB corps in football.

And all 3 units have key FAs this offseason in Jones, Sneed and Gay. Maybe we retain one of them. And the odds of back-filling 1 for 1 are pretty long. And that's not even getting into someone like Danna being a free agent and he's been outstanding or Reid being a potential cap casualty.

Meanwhile on offense we have Mahomes at the peak of his ability, Kelce is probably going to continue a slow decline. Donovan Smith is giving us plus pass protection on a nothing contract. Smith and Humphrey are dirt cheap. I could see maybe a slight improvement offensively next season but I think that's probably off-set by a decline on defense.

This is a culmination of 3-4 years of REALLY good roster building. We might be at an apex here.

That's what's so damn disappointing about that Lions game but also maybe a little refreshing. I said before the season started (and Jones sitting became real) that NOTHING was off the table. That this team COULD go undefeated. And I still think they can run the slate from here forward.

This team is ****ing outstanding. And it's going to improve as the season progresses.

We may have a real buzzsaw on our hands here.

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I'm actually kinda hoping the Jets cut Mecole and we could bring him back.

Who would you cut?

Richie James though I'm sure someone will be along to remind us of the cap implications.

Thank you Brett!

Big fan of when the Chiefs win the Super Bowl tbh

even though it's in the title, I'm still unsure. Chiefsplanet things ROFL

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It's phenomenal that he has done this with picking last or nearly last every year in the draft. Best GM ever!

So he needs to rebuild the WR, DT this year big time. I can't wait to see how he attacks it.