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duncan_idaho 11-23-2021 12:45 PM

*** 2022 Mock Draft Megathread ***
 
Got a mock? Pop it in this thread. Include a picture if you want. Explain your reasoning if you want. Talk about your crushes... if you want.

See a good "pro" mock? Link it up in here and I'll add it to the OP.

Duncan's latest mock

Site
The Draft Network This mock seems to be the most accurate site right now, so I go with this one. I don't pay for it, so no trades here. The plan is for this to be my last mock. I'm going to do it differently, though. I'm running 3 scenarios, and eschewing the 7th round picks, which I would use on a big swings on athleticism and potential. Lotto tickets. James Houston IV is one of them. Note: I used PFF to simulate the trade action, then manually backed up in the 2 "trade" drafts to make selections. Laborious, but gives you best of both worlds, IMO. I think PFF's trade tool is the best, but its board is whack.

Draft slot: 29

Scenario 1: The Chiefs sit pat with their picks and don't make any moves at all. Seems the least likely, but hey...
1.29 | George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue.
1.30 | Boye Mafe, DE, Minnesota.
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia.
2.62 | Travis Jones, DT, UConn.
3.94 | Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State.
3.103(Comp for Poles) | Troy Andersen, LB, Montana State.
4.121 | Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati.
4.135 | Velus Jones, Jr., Tennessee

Scenario 1 Debrief:
So, sitting and waiting to see what comes to me was pretty successful here. The Chiefs FLOOD the defensive line with reinforcements, including at least 1 ready-made starter and two guys who should - at minimum - be in 50/50 rotations at their spots by year end. The Chiefs still get a big outside WR with tantalizing potential. They add some crazy athletic small-school guys, and a mid-round corner who just fits in the system, and a dynamo return man who might be more at WR.

This looks pretty good. Though I have a hard time believing Karlaftis just falls to 29...

Scenario 2: The Chiefs get aggressive and trade up. But for what? In this case, let's go wide receiver. In this run, Kansas City trades picks 29, 62, and a 2023 3rd to Houston for pick 13 and a 2023 4th, because they ARE as obsessed with a WR as people expect and are aggressive to go get him when the board falls right. They then trade BACK from 30 to 35 with the Jets, also including pick 94 in order to get 69 back. Then, last but not least, KC gets aggressive one more time and moves 103 and 121 for 85 from New England, leaving the Chiefs with 6 picks in the first four rounds.
1.13 | Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
2.35 | Cam Thomas, DE, San Diego State.
2.50 | Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor.
3.69 | Zachary Carter, DT, Florida.
3.85 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
4.135 | Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Scenario 2 Debrief:
I'm not saying KC should do this or even that I think they will (more on that in a few minutes). I'm just saying, man, what will it look like if the Chiefs get aggressive a few times AND are doing the big move for a WR? In this scenario, KC obviously believes Williams is a game-changer at the NFL level and is taking a small 2022 hit to make 2023+ better. The defensive line still gets reinforced, but the reinforcements are all a shade worse than the sit-pat draft option. If you like Kingsley Enagbare or Josh PAscal more than Thomas, I get it and wouldn't quibble at one of those guys instead. Logan Hall, too. Pitre is such a screaming perfect fit for KC's D. Carter is a great physical talent you can dream about coaching up. Williams' utility is known and gives them a true RE option to pair against their higher-drafted bigger guy. Watson is a developmental corner.

I don't love it. I think Pitre makes the secondary a lot better and makes it easier to move on from Thornhill after 22. They have improved the defensive rotation, though one of the DEs would need to outperform expectations in Year 1 to get it to the same level as Scenario 1. In all, giving up the 2 extra selections in the top 4 rounds hurts the depth you can build, but I think it's more like what KC will do.

Scenario 3: Same movements as #2
1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State.
2.35 | Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State.
2.50 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
3.69 | Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati.
3.85 | Martin Emerson, CB, Miss. State.
4.135 | Braxton Jones, T, Southern Utah

Scenario 3 Debrief:
This is the type of situation where I see KC paying the price to move up... if Johnson falls this far, I'd be shocked if KC isn't aggressively moving up. With this run, I take a risky but high upside WR in Watson (but you could sub in Pickens or Jahan Dotson or Tolbert or Metchie or Skyy Moore or really any of those tier 2 guys here if you prefer). The secondary reinforcements aren't flashy but are good fits.

In this one, I think the plan has to become adding either another safety or corner in free agency before the season. Ideally, it's someone who can handle the slot and let Sneed thriver on the outside. The DL gets a major boost and some potential star power in Johnson and Williams, and the OL gets another T option and potential long-term starter to develop.

Having completed the exercise and looking at the scenariors, I like the first one the most. But it really does come down to how the board breaks.

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Direckshun 11-23-2021 01:37 PM

Honestly would not surprise me to see the Chiefs drop a few picks to add an additional 4th & 5th.

The Chiefs do not have a 6th, however.

duncan_idaho 11-23-2021 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15973202)
Honestly would not surprise me to see the Chiefs drop a few picks to add an additional 4th & 5th.

The Chiefs do not have a 6th, however.

They get the Ravens 6th as part of the Brown trade.

Direckshun 11-23-2021 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15973291)
They get the Ravens 6th as part of the Brown trade.

The Chiefs entered the 2021 offseason with two 6ths lined up for 2022. One was their natural 6th round pick, the other was one we inherited from the Ravens for Orlando Brown.

One (never clarified which) was traded for Mike Hughes. The other (never clarified which) was traded for Melvin Ingram.

duncan_idaho 11-23-2021 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15973611)
The Chiefs entered the 2021 offseason with two 6ths lined up for 2022. One was their natural 6th round pick, the other was one we inherited from the Ravens for Orlando Brown.

One (never clarified which) was traded for Mike Hughes. The other (never clarified which) was traded for Melvin Ingram.

LOL. I had already forgotten about the Hughes trade. My bad. The lack of clarification is probably why it isn't updated on the draft sites yet.

Chris Meck 11-24-2021 05:28 AM

I run mock drafts every morning while I properly caffeinate. I like a lot of those players, and have taken them myself many times although I'm not sure they'd be around where you've taken them. Everything from round 3 on I can't find those guys at those slots and have to take them a round earlier.

Direckshun 12-02-2021 11:15 AM

My mock:

1.26. OT Nicholas Petit-Frere, Ohio State
2.47. WR David Bell, Purdue
3.88. DE Zachary Carter, Florida
4.119. S Nick Cross, Maryland
--mock draft gave us a 6th that we don't have--
7.224. LB Owen Pappoe, Auburn
7.244. CB De'Jahn Warren, Jackson State

kccrow 12-02-2021 08:05 PM

Kansas City Receives:
2022: Round 2, Pick 33
2022: Round 3, Pick 97
2022: Round 5, Pick 177
2022: Round 6, Pick 216
2022: Round 7, Pick 232
2023: Round 7

Detroit Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 26
2022: Round 6, Pick 209 (Wasn't required but I threw it in there since we don't have it anyhow)

Hell of a bargain trade for me on first go...

33 Round: 2 Jameson Williams WR | Alabama TRADE
57 Round: 2 Jermaine Johnson EDGE | Florida State
90 Round: 3 Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA
97 Round: 3 Travis Jones DL | UConn TRADE
127 Round: 4 Coby Bryant CB | Cincinnati
177 Round: 5 Kenderick Duncan Jr. S | Louisville TRADE
216 Round: 6 Josh Ross LB | Michigan TRADE
229 Round: 7 Damone Clark LB | LSU
232 Round: 7 Marquis Hayes IOL | Oklahoma TRADE
235 Round: 7 Tyler Vrabel OT | Boston College
243 Round: 7 Emeka Emezie WR | NC State
257 Round: 7 Neil Farrell Jr. DL | LSU
258 Round: 7 Kyle Phillips WR | UCLA

duncan_idaho 12-02-2021 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15986249)
My mock:

1.26. OT Nicholas Petit-Frere, Ohio State
2.47. WR David Bell, Purdue
3.88. DE Zachary Carter, Florida
4.119. S Nick Cross, Maryland
--mock draft gave us a 6th that we don't have--
7.224. LB Owen Pappoe, Auburn
7.244. CB De'Jahn Warren, Jackson State

I like this. Started to do one on Draft Network and got annoyed that they have the 2nd round pick slot jacked up.

I like Warren and think he fits KC's profile nicely.

duncan_idaho 12-02-2021 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15987361)
Kansas City Receives:
2022: Round 2, Pick 33
2022: Round 3, Pick 97
2022: Round 5, Pick 177
2022: Round 6, Pick 216
2022: Round 7, Pick 232
2023: Round 7

Detroit Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 26
2022: Round 6, Pick 209 (Wasn't required but I threw it in there since we don't have it anyhow)

Hell of a bargain trade for me on first go...

33 Round: 2 Jameson Williams WR | Alabama TRADE
57 Round: 2 Jermaine Johnson EDGE | Florida State
90 Round: 3 Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA
97 Round: 3 Travis Jones DL | UConn TRADE
127 Round: 4 Coby Bryant CB | Cincinnati
177 Round: 5 Kenderick Duncan Jr. S | Louisville TRADE
216 Round: 6 Josh Ross LB | Michigan TRADE
229 Round: 7 Damone Clark LB | LSU
232 Round: 7 Marquis Hayes IOL | Oklahoma TRADE
235 Round: 7 Tyler Vrabel OT | Boston College
243 Round: 7 Emeka Emezie WR | NC State
257 Round: 7 Neil Farrell Jr. DL | LSU
258 Round: 7 Kyle Phillips WR | UCLA

That's a lot of 7th round picks!

I think Charbonnet is going to be a great NFL back. I keep trying to find a way to mock him to KC and never feeling like the value is there for him.

Direckshun 12-02-2021 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15987361)
Kansas City Receives:
2022: Round 2, Pick 33
2022: Round 3, Pick 97
2022: Round 5, Pick 177
2022: Round 6, Pick 216
2022: Round 7, Pick 232
2023: Round 7

Detroit Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 26
2022: Round 6, Pick 209 (Wasn't required but I threw it in there since we don't have it anyhow)

Hell of a bargain trade for me on first go...

33 Round: 2 Jameson Williams WR | Alabama TRADE
57 Round: 2 Jermaine Johnson EDGE | Florida State
90 Round: 3 Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA
97 Round: 3 Travis Jones DL | UConn TRADE
127 Round: 4 Coby Bryant CB | Cincinnati
177 Round: 5 Kenderick Duncan Jr. S | Louisville TRADE
216 Round: 6 Josh Ross LB | Michigan TRADE
229 Round: 7 Damone Clark LB | LSU
232 Round: 7 Marquis Hayes IOL | Oklahoma TRADE
235 Round: 7 Tyler Vrabel OT | Boston College
243 Round: 7 Emeka Emezie WR | NC State
257 Round: 7 Neil Farrell Jr. DL | LSU
258 Round: 7 Kyle Phillips WR | UCLA

That’s not remotely realistic but I’ll allow it.

What site do you use?

kccrow 12-03-2021 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15987610)
That’s not remotely realistic but I’ll allow it.

What site do you use?

I used the one in duncan's op. Kept everything default (strict trades) believe it or not.

As for the realism, I think that would be too much for Detroit to give up, plus them jumping back into the 1st for a 3rd pick is probably unrealistic too. That and the players... I feel like Ross and Clark are day 2 guys and Vrabel probably is too. Also think Jameson Williams is a top 20 guy.

kccrow 12-03-2021 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15987441)
That's a lot of 7th round picks!

I think Charbonnet is going to be a great NFL back. I keep trying to find a way to mock him to KC and never feeling like the value is there for him.

If the Chiefs did go RB early on in day 2, he'd probably be my guy. He's got the size the Chiefs like and he runs with great initial burst and power, and never gives up on a run. I think he's a round 2 guy though unless he runs slower than I expect.

duncan_idaho 12-03-2021 09:35 AM

Added an updated mock in the OP.

Here's my recap/thoughts on it.

I think this fills a lot of needs for KC, but more long-term. Enagbare would likely need to be used in a rotation initially - not ready for full-time duty, same with Walker.

I think Williams and Ball can help immediately, though, as can Rodriguez (who would be a major upgrade from Darrell Williams as the "big" back and might threaten CEH for the bulk of carries).

Warren is depth in year 1, but has the traits to be a really good starting corner in this system.

staylor26 12-03-2021 12:23 PM

Jameson Williams in the 1st = instant wood

DJ's left nut 12-03-2021 03:46 PM

I keep having Christian Harris available to me in the 2nd. I'm just not sure I could talk myself out of that pick.

In Harris kinda strikes me as an odd hybrid of Bolton and Gay. Stick Bolton at Mike w/ Gay at Sam and Harris at Will and man that's a HELL of a talented and versatile LB corps. You take Bolton off the field in Nickel formations and you're in great shape.

That's using 2nd round picks on LBs for 3 straight years but as long as they keep hitting, who cares?

DJ's left nut 12-03-2021 04:02 PM

Ha! Yeah, just had one of those "well this draft will never happen" moments:

1st -- Nicholas Petit-Frere
2nd -- John Metchie
3rd -- Christian Harris
4th -- Brenton Cox
5th -- Trajan Jeffcoat
6th -- Demani Richardson
7th -- Cam'Ron Harris


I mean I feel like Metchie, Harris and Cox all went a round too late. And Jeffcoat/Richardson are great value/need combos where they fell. Even Harris is a damn nice get that late as a potential addition to the RB room.

I just kinda started laughing as that one went on.

Direckshun 12-06-2021 12:13 PM

Hey, every year a few seem to fall that shouldn't.

Personally, I allow myself one "goodie" in the late rounds when I mock. It's realistic; happens every year.

Direckshun 12-06-2021 12:26 PM

1.25 WR Jameson Williams, Alabama -- Andy Reid loves having the pure speedster WR, and Hardman has fallen out of favor. Williams fits the bill.

2.47. CB Roger McCreary, Auburn -- An extremely scheme-flexible corner to help compensate for the loss of Charvarious Ward, which I think is imminent.

3.85. DE Cam Thomas, San Diego State -- I'm assuming the Chiefs retain Ingram and make a push for Von Miller. The Chiefs need an infusion of talent at DE this offseason, and Thomas has starter upside starting in 2023.

4.120. S Markquese Bell, Florida A&M -- Keeping Mathieu really is a cheat code; all that matters to me, so long as we have him on the roster, is will a new DB be able to make plays. Bell has issues in coverage and in reading plays, but those are correctable with great coaching and leadership. Bell can serve as a good 3rd safety; maybe a starter if Mathieu walks.

[made random pick in the 6th as we do not have a 6th]

7.225. LB Quay Walker, Georgia
-- strongside LB prospect
7.241. CB Storm Duck, North Carolina -- his name tho

kccrow 12-06-2021 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15995466)
1.25 WR Jameson Williams, Alabama -- Andy Reid loves having the pure speedster WR, and Hardman has fallen out of favor. Williams fits the bill.

2.47. CB Roger McCreary, Auburn -- An extremely scheme-flexible corner to help compensate for the loss of Charvarious Ward, which I think is imminent.

3.85. DE Cam Thomas, San Diego State -- I'm assuming the Chiefs retain Ingram and make a push for Von Miller. The Chiefs need an infusion of talent at DE this offseason, and Thomas has starter upside starting in 2023.

4.120. S Markquese Bell, Florida A&M -- Keeping Mathieu really is a cheat code; all that matters to me, so long as we have him on the roster, is will a new DB be able to make plays. Bell has issues in coverage and in reading plays, but those are correctable with great coaching and leadership. Bell can serve as a good 3rd safety; maybe a starter if Mathieu walks.

[made random pick in the 6th as we do not have a 6th]

7.225. LB Quay Walker, Georgia
-- strongside LB prospect
7.241. CB Storm Duck, North Carolina -- his name tho

If a DE from a mid-major is all this team does to address youth at the position, I'll be more than extremely disappointed.

RunKC 12-08-2021 12:23 PM

Pass rusher (interior or outside)
Ball hawking DB (Corner or S)
Receiver (at TE or outside)

That’s what our top priority must be in the first rd

Direckshun 12-08-2021 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15996106)
If a DE from a mid-major is all this team does to address youth at the position, I'll be more than extremely disappointed.

The team desperately needs youth at the DE position.

The team desperately needs talent at the WR position.

The team desperately needs bodies throughout the back seven.

The team desperately needs options at tackle for 2023.

The team desperately needs more dynamic RBs.

We've got 1 1st and 1 2nd. We simply can't address every position. Free agency is going to have to band-aid some situations.

kccrow 12-08-2021 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15998418)
The team desperately needs youth at the DE position.

The team desperately needs talent at the WR position.

The team desperately needs bodies throughout the back seven.

The team desperately needs options at tackle for 2023.

The team desperately needs more dynamic RBs.

We've got 1 1st and 1 2nd. We simply can't address every position. Free agency is going to have to band-aid some situations.

And thus you prioritize. A DE is much more critical than the rest and trusting two 33+-year-old DEs to carry that torch all year is ridiculously foolish, at least going off what I seen you mock.

Do we need a 3rd option WR more than DE? No
Do we need reserve DBs more than DE? No
Do we need other options at tackle for 2023 in 2022? No
Do we need a more dynamic RB more than any of the 3 above or DE? No

Edit:
This changes if the Chiefs bring in a DE in FA that isn't on his last stop.

Chris Meck 12-09-2021 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15998900)
And thus you prioritize. A DE is much more critical than the rest and trusting two 33+-year-old DEs to carry that torch all year is ridiculously foolish, at least going off what I seen you mock.

Do we need a 3rd option WR more than DE? No
Do we need reserve DBs more than DE? No
Do we need other options at tackle for 2023 in 2022? No
Do we need a more dynamic RB more than any of the 3 above or DE? No

Edit:
This changes if the Chiefs bring in a DE in FA that isn't on his last stop.

In every mock I've run, there tends to be a DE there in the first be it a Myjai Sanders or a Drake Jackson or Enagbare. I think any of those guys are good prospects.

WR's in the 2nd seem to be the sweet spot.

Halfcan 12-10-2021 11:03 PM

Chiefs will be picking #32 after winning the SB- not sure who they will pick though.

Palangi 12-21-2021 12:59 AM

1. Treylon Burks WR Arkansas 6’3” 220- big physical WR with good speed. Can be the Watkins replacement.

2. Jermaine Johnson DE Florida state 6’4” 260- relentless pass rusher. Has 11.5 sacks this year. Very stout and strong against the run too. Him, Kaindoh, and Herring give us 3 young pass rusher to develop.

3. Jalen Pitre S Baylor 6’1” 205- physical fast safety. Good coverage skills and really physical tackler. Could be a great pairing with Thornhill

4. Kevin Harris- RB South Carolina 5’11” 225- physical back with good speed. Can be a true feature back. Enough speed to threaten long runs. This guy reminds me of Hunt. Really good contact balance and a thick lower half. The guys on roster now are just JAGs. E need a threat in the backfield

7. Dare Rosenthal OT Kentucky 6’7” 325- long athletic kid. Transferred from LSU. Has experience at both tackle spots. Is drafted to groom as a swing tackle. Need to develop a talented kid in case of injury.

7. Amari Burney LB Florida 6’2” 230- went to Florida as a safety. Athletic LB with really good speed. Good coverage skills. Can be the SLB to play on TEs. Allowing Gay to play the WLB and use his speed to make plays all over.

duncan_idaho 12-21-2021 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 16025784)
1. Treylon Burks WR Arkansas 6’3” 220- big physical WR with good speed. Can be the Watkins replacement.

2. Jermaine Johnson DE Florida state 6’4” 260- relentless pass rusher. Has 11.5 sacks this year. Very stout and strong against the run too. Him, Kaindoh, and Herring give us 3 young pass rusher to develop.

3. Jalen Pitre S Baylor 6’1” 205- physical fast safety. Good coverage skills and really physical tackler. Could be a great pairing with Thornhill

4. Kevin Harris- RB South Carolina 5’11” 225- physical back with good speed. Can be a true feature back. Enough speed to threaten long runs. This guy reminds me of Hunt. Really good contact balance and a thick lower half. The guys on roster now are just JAGs. E need a threat in the backfield

7. Dare Rosenthal OT Kentucky 6’7” 325- long athletic kid. Transferred from LSU. Has experience at both tackle spots. Is drafted to groom as a swing tackle. Need to develop a talented kid in case of injury.

7. Amari Burney LB Florida 6’2” 230- went to Florida as a safety. Athletic LB with really good speed. Good coverage skills. Can be the SLB to play on TEs. Allowing Gay to play the WLB and use his speed to make plays all over.

This is a nice draft. I like the big swings in the 7th. Might as well take some athletic guys in need of some development and see what happens.

Burks would be a very different type of receiver in this offense, but I'd like having a bigger, more physical guy on the outside.

kccrow 12-21-2021 08:40 PM

31. Jermaine Johnson EDGE, Florida State
62. Christian Harris LB, Alabama
95. James Cook RB, Georgia
132. Sam Williams EDGE, Ole Miss
196. Eyioma Uwazurike IDL, Iowa State
233. Quentin Lake S, UCLA
236. Danny Gray WR, SMU
248. Riley Moss CB, Iowa

Chris Meck 12-23-2021 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16027510)
31. Jermaine Johnson EDGE, Florida State
62. Christian Harris LB, Alabama
95. James Cook RB, Georgia
132. Sam Williams EDGE, Ole Miss
196. Eyioma Uwazurike IDL, Iowa State
233. Quentin Lake S, UCLA
236. Danny Gray WR, SMU
248. Riley Moss CB, Iowa

I really think we need a WR more than a LB early, don't you?

We need to start re-stocking the playmaker talent as Hill and Kelce age.

kccrow 12-23-2021 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16029614)
I really think we need a WR more than a LB early, don't you?

We need to start re-stocking the playmaker talent as Hill and Kelce age.

Yes. It was a funny draft the way it fell, which I should have commented on.

I was staring at David Bell in round 1 vs Johnson. I went Johnson, thinking WR in 2. Well, then a ton of WRs went, leaving no good positional value there in 2 but a shitload of ER and a few quality LBs still there. I thought I'd wait until 3 and get better value, so I took the LB... then another big run on WR at the top of 3. Really was kind of a shitty flow. If I would have just taken Bell, I would have had a quality ER fall in my lap in 2 anyhow.

Chris Meck 12-24-2021 08:04 AM

I'm not for a LB in round two; unless he's a cover backer that allows you to move on from Sorensen.

any other way you slice it, you're taking a second round pick to play two downs. Either benching Bolton or taking your #2 off the field on 3rd down. I'd be more for signing a SAM in FA as it's the least difficult spot to find a decent player at between the 3 LB spots-not including a nickel and dimebacker, which are more safety/hybrid roles.

So, I would absolutely pass on Harris in favor of a WR, CB, or physical safety type that could make us forget Sorensen exists.

Chris Meck 12-24-2021 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15998418)
The team desperately needs youth at the DE position.

The team desperately needs talent at the WR position.

The team desperately needs bodies throughout the back seven.

The team desperately needs options at tackle for 2023.

The team desperately needs more dynamic RBs.

We've got 1 1st and 1 2nd. We simply can't address every position. Free agency is going to have to band-aid some situations.


I'm not sure I agree we 'desperately need' all of this.

We DO desperately need to restock WR talent, no doubt. So that's high on the draft priority list.

Do we desperately need bodies through the back seven? Well, let's look. If you don't extend HB and you cut Sorensen, then you'll need to sign a FA S and probably draft a guy as well as bring back a Watts or something. So yeah. But even if you let Ward walk, you still have Sneed, Fenton, Hughes, and Baker. That's actually not bad at all-but I would still continue to hunt those mid to late round diamonds that Veach keeps finding. So, I'd say a S somewhere in that 3rd to 4th range is a good slot and a CB late.

We desperately need OT options? We have loads of options. Re-sign Brown, tag and keep Brown, tag and trade Brown and draft his replacement with that pick, there is FA, you could bring back Fisher if he's healthy. Niang has been fine for a rookie, it's just that Humphrey and Smith have been otherwordly good that make him the weak link. There's no reason to think he can't do it. You need a better swing tackle, that's about all, really.

Do we desperately need a more dynamic RB? We could use one, but realizing that again, that position will never be more than an afterthought as a RUNNER I wouldn't do so early. No earlier than say, 3rd or 4th round for what will be a rotational player and a handful to maybe two handfulls of carries a game.

And finally, I do agree we will desperately need a total rebuild of the DE position. We'll need to move on from Clark, and that leaves us with Kaindoh and Danna. I'd happily bring Engram back on a reasonable deal, sign an Ogbah level guy, and draft a Drake Jackson/Myjai Sanders type guy in round 1. That should give you solid starter level talent with the youngsters rotating in to keep everyone fresh.

So I see DE as priority one. WR as priority two. Safety as priority 3.

kccrow 12-24-2021 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16031429)
I'm not for a LB in round two; unless he's a cover backer that allows you to move on from Sorensen.

any other way you slice it, you're taking a second round pick to play two downs. Either benching Bolton or taking your #2 off the field on 3rd down. I'd be more for signing a SAM in FA as it's the least difficult spot to find a decent player at between the 3 LB spots-not including a nickel and dimebacker, which are more safety/hybrid roles.

So, I would absolutely pass on Harris in favor of a WR, CB, or physical safety type that could make us forget Sorensen exists.

Harris is primarily a coverage LB/WILL only type. He's much better out in space than he is filling at the LOS. He would be filling the Sorensen/Niemann role IMO.

Gay is our SAM and it's probably the best spot for him.

I do think this defense will move towards a model that is less reliant on safeties but just don't think they've had the LBs built up to make it happen to this point. It's slowly moving that way though. Veach has addressed LB repeatedly since he's come on board but not all of it has worked out.

Chris Meck 12-25-2021 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16032164)
Harris is primarily a coverage LB/WILL only type. He's much better out in space than he is filling at the LOS. He would be filling the Sorensen/Niemann role IMO.

Gay is our SAM and it's probably the best spot for him.

I do think this defense will move towards a model that is less reliant on safeties but just don't think they've had the LBs built up to make it happen to this point. It's slowly moving that way though. Veach has addressed LB repeatedly since he's come on board but not all of it has worked out.

I've literally not seen Gay at SAM all season. He's always on the weak side, or the QB's left. I've seen Bolton there in base, when Hitchens is at MLB.

I've not seen Gay line up on the TE or strong side at all, whatsoever. Perhaps I've just missed it.

I know that LAST season, they were working him in at SAM as it's the simpler position schematically and he has the size to do it, but I've not seen him in that slot at all this year.

duncan_idaho 12-28-2021 10:01 PM

Bump for a new mock from a new site in the OP.

I hit DE, WR, CB, and S with my first four picks and end up with some interesting pieces. Check it out. Let me know what you think, specifically, about:

1. WR Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama. I don't know a ton about him other than seeing him consistently in the top 75 on mock draft sites. I like that he's a receiver with some size who gives you that size without sacrificing deep speed or quickness or route running ability.

2. Isaiah Pola-Mao, S, USC. Intriguing guy. Good bloodlines, and he's a jumbo safety who can play in the box and match up well with TEs, but also has the ability to be solid in a deep role in cover 2 or 3.

Chris Meck 12-29-2021 08:46 AM

KC
31.

David Ojabo
EDGE Michigan
KC
63.

Jahan Dotson
WR Penn State
KC
95.

Zonovan Knight
RB North Carolina State
KC
133.

Tykee Smith
S Georgia

I'd be thrilled. I tend not to run the mocks beyond 5 rounds.

duncan_idaho 12-29-2021 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16039578)
KC
31.

David Ojabo
EDGE Michigan
KC
63.

Jahan Dotson
WR Penn State
KC
95.

Zonovan Knight
RB North Carolina State
KC
133.

Tykee Smith
S Georgia

I'd be thrilled. I tend not to run the mocks beyond 5 rounds.


Like all those guys. Doubt Ojabo or Dotson last that long.

Smith looks like a Honey Badger/Buddha Baker clone to me.

kccrow 12-29-2021 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16039598)
Like all those guys. Doubt Ojabo or Dotson last that long.

Smith looks like a Honey Badger/Buddha Baker clone to me.

Is Tykee Smith going to declare as a Jr after tearing his ACL and missing most of the season? I'm having my doubts but curious if someone has heard otherwise.

duncan_idaho 12-30-2021 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16040616)
Is Tykee Smith going to declare as a Jr after tearing his ACL and missing most of the season? I'm having my doubts but curious if someone has heard otherwise.

Haven't seen for sure, but he's still in the top 100 of a lot of mocks and is older for his class, I think.

Chris Meck 12-31-2021 05:45 AM

KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.

duncan_idaho 12-31-2021 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16042240)
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.

I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.

Chris Meck 12-31-2021 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16042319)
I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.

cuz bowl games?

Dunno.

Looks like a huge upside edge to me.

CatfishBob2 12-31-2021 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16042240)
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.

This looks like a home run

kccrow 12-31-2021 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16042319)
I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.

Low sack numbers, just like Myjai Sanders. Alot of guys put up 7.5+ and even 10+ compared to his 5.

Just looking at guys that could declare hovering around 10+ you have
Aidan Hutchinson - 14
Sam Williams - 12.5
David Ojabo - 11
Ali Fayad - 13
Jermaine Johnson - 12
Arnold Ebiketie - 9.5
Cam Thomas - 11.5
Isaiah Foskey - 10
Will McDonald - 11.5
Scott Patchan - 10.5
Tyree Johnson - 9
Eyioma Uwazurike - 9
DeAngelo Malone - 9

Chris Meck 12-31-2021 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16043011)
Low sack numbers, just like Myjai Sanders. Alot of guys put up 7.5+ and even 10+ compared to his 5.

Just looking at guys that could declare hovering around 10+ you have
Aidan Hutchinson - 14
Sam Williams - 12.5
David Ojabo - 11
Ali Fayad - 13
Jermaine Johnson - 12
Arnold Ebiketie - 9.5
Cam Thomas - 11.5
Isaiah Foskey - 10
Will McDonald - 11.5
Scott Patchan - 10.5
Tyree Johnson - 9
Eyioma Uwazurike - 9
DeAngelo Malone - 9

and yet some of those guys are expected (at this point, and by who? drafturbators that get paid to prognosticate, so whatever) to go later. I like Williams, but nobody's got him going in the first, and some of the names there go much later.

I kind of zero in on DE at #31 (which is where PFN has us) because the 2nd seems to be a good spot for WR's.

kccrow 12-31-2021 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16043248)
and yet some of those guys are expected (at this point, and by who? drafturbators that get paid to prognosticate, so whatever) to go later. I like Williams, but nobody's got him going in the first, and some of the names there go much later.

I kind of zero in on DE at #31 (which is where PFN has us) because the 2nd seems to be a good spot for WR's.

Williams would be a top-15 pick if it weren't for the off-the-field issues in 2020 where he was charged with felony sexual battery (charges dropped 2 months later). How teams decide they feel about that situation will dictate his grade. He's 6'4" 265 and runs a 4.45 forty and just dropped 12.5 sacks in the SEC. Given he seems to have made some significant changes (I can only read and interpret), I'd fully take that chance at the end of round 1. That said, if the team feels he'll be there at the end of 2 or the end of 3 or wherever that might be, I think you take the kid in the spot.

We'll have to see where things shake out and who declares this year.

Obviously, you have Hutchinson, Ojabo, Karlaftis, and Thibodeaux rated as round 1 guys and I've seen Ebiketie, Johnson, and Thomas in that discussion. I'd say most of the rest of those guys are 2nd or 3rd rounders (smaller school guys like Fayad, Patchan, etc). So, really, the position looks really deep and you're not necessarily pegged to taking edge in 1.

Chris Meck 12-31-2021 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16043285)
Williams would be a top-15 pick if it weren't for the off-the-field issues in 2020 where he was charged with felony sexual battery (charges dropped 2 months later). How teams decide they feel about that situation will dictate his grade. He's 6'4" 265 and runs a 4.45 forty and just dropped 12.5 sacks in the SEC. Given he seems to have made some significant changes (I can only read and interpret), I'd fully take that chance at the end of round 1. That said, if the team feels he'll be there at the end of 2 or the end of 3 or wherever that might be, I think you take the kid in the spot.

We'll have to see where things shake out and who declares this year.

Obviously, you have Hutchinson, Ojabo, Karlaftis, and Thibodeaux rated as round 1 guys and I've seen Ebiketie, Johnson, and Thomas in that discussion. I'd say most of the rest of those guys are 2nd or 3rd rounders (smaller school guys like Fayad, Patchan, etc). So, really, the position looks really deep and you're not necessarily pegged to taking edge in 1.

Yeah not necessarily I agree; but I haven't had much luck if I wait until #63.

Of course, who knows how it will all shake out in reality. Just mock machining it I don't like my options by #63 for any sort of real impact at edge.

staylor26 01-05-2022 09:42 AM

Give me Jermaine Johnson or George Pickens at pick 32 :)

The Franchise 01-05-2022 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16042240)
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.

I'm good with those top three picks.

29. Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State

61. Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada

93. Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati

131.Yusuf Corker
S Kentucky

230. Josh Blackwell
CB Duke

249. Jean Delance
OT Florida

kccrow 01-05-2022 07:34 PM

NFL Mock Draft Database

29
Round: 1
Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
61
Round: 2
Isaiah Foskey EDGE | Notre Dame
93
Round: 3
Romeo Doubs WR | Nevada
131
Round: 4
Max Mitchell OT | Louisiana-Lafayette
193
Round: 6
Abram Smith RB | Baylor
227
Round: 7
Jaylan Foster S | South Carolina
235
Round: 7
Cam Taylor-Britt CB | Nebraska
246
Round: 7
Charleston Rambo WR | Miami
257
Round: 7
Matthew Butler DL | Tennessee
258
Round: 7
Reed Blankenship S | Middle Tennessee State

Chris Meck 01-05-2022 08:35 PM

I liked this one quite a bit.

KC
29.
Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State-explosive edge rusher.
KC

61.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-good size, speed, and athleticism. Potential #1 WR.

KC
93.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-a faster Kareem Hunt.

KC
131.
Yusuf Corker
S Kentucky-a taller Honey Badger clone at 6'. Super versatile safety.

KC
230.
Bubba Bolden
S Miami-Fl-6'3", 204 superior athletic talent. Goodbye Sorensen!

KC
249.

Allie Green IV
CB Missouri- 6'3" corner, aggressive, physical player. Your next outside corner prospect.

That draft makes us bigger, faster, and more versatile athletically on defense and adds two explosive playmakers on offense.

kccrow 01-05-2022 08:35 PM

Tried moving around on Pro Football Network

Sent 29, 61, and a 2023 2nd to NE for 23, 87, and a 2023 3rd to select DE David Ojabo, Michigan. I tried to get to 21 but the Eagles wouldn't take it.
I traded down twice in the 3rd, sending 87 and a 2023 5th to CIN for 90 and 127, then sending 90 and 249 to TEN for 95 and a 2023 5th, so I really gave up 87 and 249 for 95 and 127.
I wasn't happy not addressing a couple positions and made another move, sending a 2023 4th and 230 to CHI for 147 and 188.

I ended up with:

23. David Ojabo, EDGE, Michigan
93. Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, Notre Dame
95. Verone McKinley, FS, Oregon
127. Tyler Goodson, RB, Iowa
131. Jeremy Ruckert, TE, Ohio State
147. Charleston Rambo, WR, Miami
188. Max Mitchell, OT, LA-Lafayette

kccrow 01-05-2022 09:25 PM

Interesting trade that I executed gives me food for thought...

1-29, 2-61, and 2023 1st to PIT for 1-17, 3-81, and 2023 3rd to draft WR Chris Olave (Jameson Williams went ahead of him at 13 as the 1st WR off the board4).

Would any offensive player make you jimp?

duncan_idaho 01-05-2022 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16054453)
Interesting trade that I executed gives me food for thought...

1-29, 2-61, and 2023 1st to PIT for 1-17, 3-81, and 2023 3rd to draft WR Chris Olave (Jameson Williams went ahead of him at 13 as the 1st WR off the board4).

Would any offensive player make you jimp?


I don’t think there’s an offensive player that would. If it weren’t such a deep defensive end draft, I’d say the right DE could make me jump.

MAYBE Jameson Williams. Maybe. His slight frame and lack of proven success vs press gives me concern.

As it is, there is likely to be a lot of talent available to the Chiefs at #32 in regards to DE.

duncan_idaho 01-11-2022 10:27 AM

Updated the OP with my new mock.

I end up with two DEs, at least one of which should be able to play heavy snap counts Year 1, and who give me youth and productivity at low cost (hopefully) moving forwards. Love that. Really love that.

I add a larger playmaker at WR, who is versatile and can make RAC plays happen. I like it. Still would need a vet in FA to feel good about WR entering 2023.

I get a starter-caliber LB, and a really promising development swing tackle. Very happy with those.

Not happy with the DB additions. Though I like both guys I land and would cream my pants at adding Bolden in the 7th, I would like to add a S I'm more comfortable sliding into a key role. Guess I'd be trying to make a FA addition to replace Mathieu (or retaining him) in this scenario.

I really like the Hendershot... shot. The Chiefs have extra 7ths and those are perfect fits to throw at someone like him. Talented, with questions. Very little risk (and likely a pick that is roster fodder, anyway).

DJ's left nut 01-11-2022 10:28 AM

So I somehow ended up with 10 draft picks after a trade down (not sure what PFF is doing with the Chiefs in the late rounds; I just kept having to make picks - maybe comp stuff?)

And this draft just ended up weird as hell but I like it anyway. I went full Veach and targeted one area and went HAM.

Myjai Sanders -- Edge, Cin
Bernhard Raimann -- T, Central Michigan
Travon Walker -- Edge, Georgia
Brenton Cox Jr. -- Edge, Florida
Romeo Doubs -- WR, Nevada
Percy Butler, S -- Lousiana
Mike Rose, LB -- Iowa State
Josh Whyle, TE -- Cincinatti
Ainias Smith, WR -- Texas A&M
Amari Gainer, LB -- FSU

Just a batty draft, really. But PFF loved it, my lowest grade on any pick was an A- and I got an A total.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2022 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16069003)
Updated the OP with my new mock.

I end up with two DEs, at least one of which should be able to play heavy snap counts Year 1, and who give me youth and productivity at low cost (hopefully) moving forwards. Love that. Really love that.

I add a larger playmaker at WR, who is versatile and can make RAC plays happen. I like it. Still would need a vet in FA to feel good about WR entering 2023.

I get a starter-caliber LB, and a really promising development swing tackle. Very happy with those.

Not happy with the DB additions. Though I like both guys I land and would cream my pants at adding Bolden in the 7th, I would like to add a S I'm more comfortable sliding into a key role. Guess I'd be trying to make a FA addition to replace Mathieu (or retaining him) in this scenario.

I really like the Hendershot... shot. The Chiefs have extra 7ths and those are perfect fits to throw at someone like him. Talented, with questions. Very little risk (and likely a pick that is roster fodder, anyway).

So we both discovery Doubs simultaneously, eh? Well that's crazy.

duncan_idaho 01-11-2022 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16069007)
So we both discovery Doubs simultaneously, eh? Well that's crazy.

He's been in my heads since crow first talked about him early last year. There's a highlight thread of him in here somewhere.

mkp785 01-11-2022 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16054573)
I don’t think there’s an offensive player that would. If it weren’t such a deep defensive end draft, I’d say the right DE could make me jump.

MAYBE Jameson Williams. Maybe. His slight frame and lack of proven success vs press gives me concern.

As it is, there is likely to be a lot of talent available to the Chiefs at #32 in regards to DE.

Jameson Williams now, if he drops to our (hopefully) 32 spot? We could let him sit and gain a great prospect for 2023 or maybe late 22.....

(Or our 2nd rounder, not sure if he goes that far as he was projected top 20 before this)

duncan_idaho 01-11-2022 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 16069806)
Jameson Williams now, if he drops to our (hopefully) 32 spot? We could let him sit and gain a great prospect for 2023 or maybe late 22.....

(Or our 2nd rounder, not sure if he goes that far as he was projected top 20 before this)


I’m interested in Williams and/or Metchie shares. Especially since I expect them to sign a free agent WR who can handle #2 duties.

mkp785 01-12-2022 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16069926)
I’m interested in Williams and/or Metchie shares. Especially since I expect them to sign a free agent WR who can handle #2 duties.

Yeah. That's what I thinking too. Draft Williams and redshirt this year while signing some ring chasing vet or someone who fell off and needs a "prove it" year. Then in 2023 bring in Williams to start make things happen. That'd be perfect as by that time Kelce will be getting older-and Reek may or may not have gotten slower, so another pass catcher will be much needed.

Bonus is that Bama seems to crank out awesome WRs (Julio, Cooper, Smith, Waddle). So Williams def has a great pedigree and should know his stuff. He's expected to regain his 4.3ish speed to after the surgery too.

Chris Meck 01-12-2022 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16069003)
Updated the OP with my new mock.

I end up with two DEs, at least one of which should be able to play heavy snap counts Year 1, and who give me youth and productivity at low cost (hopefully) moving forwards. Love that. Really love that.

I add a larger playmaker at WR, who is versatile and can make RAC plays happen. I like it. Still would need a vet in FA to feel good about WR entering 2023.

I get a starter-caliber LB, and a really promising development swing tackle. Very happy with those.

Not happy with the DB additions. Though I like both guys I land and would cream my pants at adding Bolden in the 7th, I would like to add a S I'm more comfortable sliding into a key role. Guess I'd be trying to make a FA addition to replace Mathieu (or retaining him) in this scenario.

I really like the Hendershot... shot. The Chiefs have extra 7ths and those are perfect fits to throw at someone like him. Talented, with questions. Very little risk (and likely a pick that is roster fodder, anyway).


Love that mock.

I think we need to see what we have with the TE's that we developed this year; Fortson looked like a weapon and Gray has been playing quite a bit if not being targeted all that much.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2022 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 16070150)
Yeah. That's what I thinking too. Draft Williams and redshirt this year while signing some ring chasing vet or someone who fell off and needs a "prove it" year. Then in 2023 bring in Williams to start make things happen. That'd be perfect as by that time Kelce will be getting older-and Reek may or may not have gotten slower, so another pass catcher will be much needed.

Bonus is that Bama seems to crank out awesome WRs (Julio, Cooper, Smith, Waddle). So Williams def has a great pedigree and should know his stuff. He's expected to regain his 4.3ish speed to after the surgery too.

Williams has some strength/frame issues that are a bit worrisome as a long-term #1, but as a #2 here they shouldn't be as pronounced.

I just worry that he's not going to be the sort of physical WR we could really use over the middle. He's a little more like DeVonte Smith in that he's a little on the slighter side.

The Franchise 01-12-2022 10:25 AM

How high does Jerome Ford, RB go in the draft? 3rd round?

DJ's left nut 01-12-2022 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16070476)
How high does Jerome Ford, RB go in the draft? 3rd round?

Could sneak into the late 2nd.

Love the speed and agility but wonder if he will be a good enough pass-blocker/receiver to earn much run here.

I'd consider him with a late 3rd but I'm betting when the pick comes I'll like someone better. In reality I'd probably struggle to grab him before the 4th.

The Franchise 01-12-2022 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16070490)
Could sneak into the late 2nd.

Love the speed and agility but wonder if he will be a good enough pass-blocker/receiver to earn much run here.

I'd consider him with a late 3rd but I'm betting when the pick comes I'll like someone better. In reality I'd probably struggle to grab him before the 4th.

Yeah, I figured the pass-blocking would do him in.

I have a feeling that we're not grabbing a RB in this draft anyways.

duncan_idaho 01-12-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16070261)
Love that mock.

I think we need to see what we have with the TE's that we developed this year; Fortson looked like a weapon and Gray has been playing quite a bit if not being targeted all that much.

Yeah, I wouldn't spend more than a 7th on a TE in this draft. Hendershot was just a calculated risk at that point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16070462)
Williams has some strength/frame issues that are a bit worrisome as a long-term #1, but as a #2 here they shouldn't be as pronounced.

I just worry that he's not going to be the sort of physical WR we could really use over the middle. He's a little more like DeVonte Smith in that he's a little on the slighter side.

Yeah, he's not the ideal "missing piece" fit (I actually think that's someone like Drake London) for KC, but he's so talented it would be worth a shot if you think you can backfill the WR2 role for all of 2023 with a FA or something.

That's what I like about Doubs. He's a bigger, more physical presence, but he has deep speed, can work inside or outside, and he has RAC skills.

mkp785 01-12-2022 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16070462)
Williams has some strength/frame issues that are a bit worrisome as a long-term #1, but as a #2 here they shouldn't be as pronounced.

I just worry that he's not going to be the sort of physical WR we could really use over the middle. He's a little more like DeVonte Smith in that he's a little on the slighter side.

True, he's slight but in this situation he'd have a full season under an NFL weight training program and guys dedicated to increasing his mass while still retaining that speed.

Wasn't he projected to be the 1st WR off the board? If so, that's a great chance for us to steal him. Similar to how we got Justin Houston all those years ago (tho he fell cause of weed).

DJ's left nut 01-12-2022 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 16070696)
True, he's slight but in this situation he'd have a full season under an NFL weight training program and guys dedicated to increasing his mass while still retaining that speed.

Wasn't he projected to be the 1st WR off the board? If so, that's a great chance for us to steal him. Similar to how we got Justin Houston all those years ago (tho he fell cause of weed).

Banking on a WR who's so depending on speed/explosion recovering that speed/explosion is a pretty iffy gamble.

Set aside the fact that you're realistically getting him for 3 years instead of 4 (nobody comes back at 100% in year 1 and if you're not 100% in this league, you're probably not very good), there's a genuine risk that he just goes the Sydney Jones route and never gets all the way back at all.

Granted, Jones was an Achilles vs. an ACL and the history with ACL's is better, but there are still the Phillip Gaines stories as well.

Some guys just don't bounce back and if Williams doesn't, he's barely even rosterable at that point. He's not a guy with size/physicality to fall back on if his explosion doesn't come all the way back.

TambaBerry 01-12-2022 06:35 PM

The good thing is I think it's finally my turn to draft for the Chiefs. Need to start looking at the prospects

kccrow 01-12-2022 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15995466)
1.25 WR Jameson Williams, Alabama -- Andy Reid loves having the pure speedster WR, and Hardman has fallen out of favor. Williams fits the bill.

2.47. CB Roger McCreary, Auburn -- An extremely scheme-flexible corner to help compensate for the loss of Charvarious Ward, which I think is imminent.

3.85. DE Cam Thomas, San Diego State -- I'm assuming the Chiefs retain Ingram and make a push for Von Miller. The Chiefs need an infusion of talent at DE this offseason, and Thomas has starter upside starting in 2023.

4.120. S Markquese Bell, Florida A&M -- Keeping Mathieu really is a cheat code; all that matters to me, so long as we have him on the roster, is will a new DB be able to make plays. Bell has issues in coverage and in reading plays, but those are correctable with great coaching and leadership. Bell can serve as a good 3rd safety; maybe a starter if Mathieu walks.

[made random pick in the 6th as we do not have a 6th]

7.225. LB Quay Walker, Georgia
-- strongside LB prospect
7.241. CB Storm Duck, North Carolina -- his name tho

I'm rethinking my comment on Cam Thomas earlier in this thread. I really like the kid. He reminds me a bunch of Maxx Crosby. Cam might be better as a prospect and I wouldn't doubt he has a chance to go round 1.

I've been toying with:
1. ER Cameron Thomas, San Diego State
2. DB Jalen Pitre, Baylor
3. WR Khalil Shakir, Boise State

If the Chiefs get an extra 3rd for EB, I'd go Travis Jones, DT, UConn.

mkp785 01-13-2022 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16071111)
Banking on a WR who's so depending on speed/explosion recovering that speed/explosion is a pretty iffy gamble.

Set aside the fact that you're realistically getting him for 3 years instead of 4 (nobody comes back at 100% in year 1 and if you're not 100% in this league, you're probably not very good), there's a genuine risk that he just goes the Sydney Jones route and never gets all the way back at all.

Granted, Jones was an Achilles vs. an ACL and the history with ACL's is better, but there are still the Phillip Gaines stories as well.

Some guys just don't bounce back and if Williams doesn't, he's barely even rosterable at that point. He's not a guy with size/physicality to fall back on if his explosion doesn't come all the way back.

Well, we'd obviously have our DRs check him and give us thumbs up/down but if they says it's a go then that's a hard out imo. That's position of need with a guy who has exactly what we look for in our WRs. Bonus being he comes from a school that recently has been as good as any in the country at producing WRs.

Plus, if we're (crossing fingers) drafting at 32, then it's not like guys like Kyle Hamilton or Aidan Hutchinson will be our vincinity to fill our other major needs. We could afford to roll the dice if there's no sure fire AP guy there-which usually is the case that late.

Chris Meck 01-13-2022 05:42 AM

Man, if we get the two extra 3rds for EB and Poles this year AND next, that could seriously go a LONG way to not having to do a tear down and eat it cap year if we draft wisely.

duncan_idaho 01-13-2022 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16071812)
Man, if we get the two extra 3rds for EB and Poles this year AND next, that could seriously go a LONG way to not having to do a tear down and eat it cap year if we draft wisely.

We'd spend at least one of them trading up, IMO.

I'll run a mock this afternoon and pretend I have two comp picks at the end of the third and see what happens with it. Should be fun.

I don't think they'll tear down/eat it any time soon. Will keep pushing that and hope that cap escalation lets you catch up.

duncan_idaho 01-13-2022 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16071905)
We'd spend at least one of them trading up, IMO.

I'll run a mock this afternoon and pretend I have two comp picks at the end of the third and see what happens with it. Should be fun.

I don't think they'll tear down/eat it any time soon. Will keep pushing that and hope that cap escalation lets you catch up.

So, I ran that mock.

Here's what I ended up with:

2.43, 2.63 (trade back with Atlanta for 1.31 and a 7th), 2.61, 3.93, 3.103, 3.104 (projected comp picks for Bienemy and Poles), 4.131, 7.232

Using PFN, I landed, in order:
Travon Walker, DE (i think he plays strongside LE and moves inside on passing downs for KC, think Arik Armstead but more athletic)
Sam Williams, DE
Romeo Doubs, WR
Rasheed Walker, OT (Or the Tulsa kid if you like him more)
RB (Tyler Allgeier, Jerome Ford, Zonovan Knight)
Demani Richardson or Smoke Monday, S
John Metchie (take the risk on him and redshirt him ... can afford it with the extra picks)
Mike Rose, LB

Those extra picks will be handy. It makes redshirting one of Metchie or Williams a lot more do-able.

Tribal Warfare 01-14-2022 01:20 PM

KC needs to get good CB talent somewhere in the first 3 rounds due to Chase having an historic day against Ward

kccrow 01-14-2022 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16071812)
Man, if we get the two extra 3rds for EB and Poles this year AND next, that could seriously go a LONG way to not having to do a tear down and eat it cap year if we draft wisely.

I don't think it's two 3's. I think it just adds a 3 in a third year if both happen in the same offseason.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2022 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16074829)
I don't think it's two 3's. I think it just adds a 3 in a third year if both happen in the same offseason.


Actually, just having read the text of the rule, if BOTH Poles and Bienemy are hired, the Chiefs would receive third round comp picks in each of the next 3 drafts:

(i) The employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its Head Coach or Primary Football Executive (General Manager) shall receive Draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory Draft pick in the third round in each of the next two Drafts for an employee hired as either a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive, or for the next three Drafts if it has two employees hired for both positions. The reference to the hiring of employees into “both positions” could be by the same club or different clubs. The following will apply to the Draft choice compensation:
a. Any compensatory

Direckshun 01-15-2022 01:33 PM

Using the Mock Draft Machine at TheDraftNetwork:

1. WR Chris Olave, Ohio State -- good X-receiver fit with outstanding route-running abilities
2. DE Kingsley Enagbare, South Carolina -- bursty, bendy passrusher with upside
3. CB Alontae Taylor, Tennessee -- perfect schematic fit with Spags
4. CB Josh Jobe, Alabama -- got to body up the DB room
5. RB Pierre Strong Jr., South Dakota State -- more explosive than what we've currently
got
6. S Nick Grant, Virginia
7. DE Dominique Robinson, Miami (OH)
7.

kccrow 01-15-2022 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16074994)
Actually, just having read the text of the rule, if BOTH Poles and Bienemy are hired, the Chiefs would receive third round comp picks in each of the next 3 drafts:

(i) The employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its Head Coach or Primary Football Executive (General Manager) shall receive Draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory Draft pick in the third round in each of the next two Drafts for an employee hired as either a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive, or for the next three Drafts if it has two employees hired for both positions. The reference to the hiring of employees into “both positions” could be by the same club or different clubs. The following will apply to the Draft choice compensation:
a. Any compensatory

Thanks, that's what I was thinking. You don't get two sets of 3rd round picks for 2 years, you get 1 set of 3rd round picks for 3 years if both are hired in the same year.

The best case for us is one of either EB or Poles gets hired this year and then the other next year or the year after. Just keep those 3rds coming. :D


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