Simms breaks down Mahomes' bad play
 

Cliff Notes:

Mahomes is sensing phantom pressure
Mahomes is not stepping into the pocket
The Oline is acutally playing well, Mahomes is prematurely rolling out
Mahomes is hanging Orlando Brown out to try and creating angles impossible for him to block
Mahomes is predetermining his reads. Possibly overthinking things too much


My takeway: If last week's performance was all about Mahomes then the Chiefs are about to go on a winning streak, because Mahomes will get his mind right. Ya'll ready for some W's?

Video starts around 6:20ish mark

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So tired of the media already. We know....the team has played bad. News at 11.

My takeaway?

Well, it'd be cool if we didn't have to go get a new LT this offseason.

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Our boy is about to explode. He don't make mistakes twice.

Can’t disagree with any of those main takeaways. It’s been pretty obvious and showed up at times last season, but really has gotten more common this season. I think it’s largely why we are not seeing him making as many confident throws to guys on the run and is seemingly relying more on guys facing him, and when guys are on the move he’s been a bit off to them.

I’ll also say my belief that a lot of this is with Mahomes and is fixable right away is why I still think we make the playoffs and why I made another bet to win the Super Bowl after this loss.

Mahomes doesn't play defense.

2018 called and wants to collect your take for use inside your virgin sphincter

If the defense shows absolute zero improvement the rest of the way, Spags has to go. We are right on the verge of "wanted to give it some time to get this particular scheme working before giving up" not being a valid excuse.

Spags needs to get the most athletic, and most capable players on the field, regardless of whether they are "his guys" or not.

Not sure why it took so long, or fans offering to buy out Sorensens contract to get him off the field, but further weeks on end of total ineptitude cannot be allowed to go unpunished.

Mahomes is going to be fine. At least the guy is trying, which cannot be said for every member of that ****ing football team right now.

All the money is on offense. This is an offensive driven team. The offense needs to score to give our defense an advantage.

What? This is a top 3 highest paid defense.

The shitty thing is that we don’t even expect it to be great. Be ****ing average.

Time to put these corrections into action, Mahomes has been saying this now going back to the offseason/training camp.

He also didn't play much offense in the last game. His play has been poor as well and it is not above scrutiny. I think PM2 would be the first person to agree and admit the same.

PM2's and by extension the offense's woes merely illustrate the point that this is not a functional team. If we were more well-rounded, we could win a game with defense. It is obvious we absolutely cannot do that. Yes, that means more pressure on the offense. It has been that way for a while now. The difference is PM2 was magical. His game is off right now, so there is no magic to save our ass. The defense is putrid so it cannot make up for the lack of PM2 magic. Getting the offense back on track = this team's only chance of success.

Off season we need to focus on fixing a lot of shit.

Frank Clark has the highest salary cap # of any non-QB player in the entire NFL this year and the highest salary cap # on the Chiefs (even higher than Mahomes).

Also 4 of the top 5 salary cap #'s for the Chiefs this year are on defense... Frank Clark, Tyrann Mathieu, Anthony Hitchens, and Chris Jones.

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Red ryan said brown is too slow to block to mahomes. I think I’ll trust Rex ryan.

Yeah. He's an expert on foot work.

Did you watch the video? The video doesn't lie.

They are asking Mahomes to adapt his playing style to fit our OT's, instead of having our tackles play the style of our QB. That's why Patrick has looked so disjointed.

A big risk, hope it works.

Ziiiiing

That's what concerns me when people act like this will be an easy fix.

Mahomes has know footwork and pocket presence are his weaknesses since essentially when he entered the league.

If it was an easy fix it would've been corrected a long time ago.

Not saying he can't or won't do it but these issues are deeply ingrained in his play style and isn't just something he'll dramatically improve on in a week.

IMO he just needs to have a couple good games to get his confidence back up and he'll be just fine. He seems a little gun shy and unsure of himself at the moment.

Simms also mentioned inside-info on mahomes' toe not being right yet

There isn't an OT in the league that's going to block a DE running full speed in a straight line, dude.

Watch the video. Simms explains how Mahomes drop back means that DE's don't even have to bend around the corner.

We all know how important "bend" is to a DE as we've seen masters such as Thomas and Hali do it for years.

Mahomes isn't even making the DE's bend.

Again, watch the video. All he has to do is step up and Brown washes that dude out of the play.

He did it vs Washington. Dude was immaculate.

I think what happens is that he knows the defense is bad, he then feels the pressure to score, goes all superman mode and abandons the basics and offensive structure trying to force big plays.

That's my theory at least.

25% of our cap is on D line. We are way out in front of the rest of the league on that percentage. Badger isn't being paid peanuts. Hitchens was making more than he should.

Let's not pretend we just haven't put money on defense.
We are paying out the ass and getting zero return.

NFL coaches are so good at exploiting the tiniest weaknesses. Coaches have schemed their edge rushers to essentially take away the deep drop. That's been really effective so far. It's up to Reid and Mahomes to make them pay for that. There are plenty of ways to do that through play calls, but Mahomes needs to prove he's comfortable stepping up in the pocket as well.

I'm not too worried that they'll figure it out, but this is a new feeling in the Mahomes era. It was never a question before that Mahomes would keep us in pretty much any game against any opponent, no matter how garbage our defense was playing. This year is different.

That's kind of terrifying.

Simms breaks down Mahomes' bad play
 

That first 2nd and 9 play is brutal. He’s not dumb. If that happens again he will make that work.

With the combination of his play improving and reducing turnovers we can win any game we play with just a marginally better defense.

Wow, some of you wear rose-colored glasses.
"We're about to go on a tear"
"We're going on a winning streak."
"Watch us string together a bunch of W's."
"Superbowl here we come."

Knowing a problem and fixing a problem are two different things.
The defense sucks and Patrick can't fix that.

There is a very good chance we could lose to the Giants. A very good one.

Where's the desire, discipline, and competitiveness? I haven't seen it all season, except in brief flashes.

Simms is so damn good.

Man, I never thought I'd say this, but Mahomes is one of the biggest non defensive reasons we are losing. That first play is ridiculous and makes Brown look like he was shit, but if he just steps up, then he probably has a TD and Brown doesn't give up a pressure on a well blocked play.

The shitty interior OL play last year really got into his head. He's making these mistakes week after week and that's pretty scary. He's the type that doesn't make the same mistake over and over, but he's not staying in the pocket ever.

He was such a good pocket QB too and navigated it sooo well. He's gotta get back into that, but the phantom pressure thing is so worrisome, because it may be the hardest thing to break.

Sure, you could be a complete pussy and automatically proclaim losses so you can be pleasantly surprised when they win instead of having faith in your team and getting your vagina bruised and start crying if they lose...

But who the **** wants to be that guy?

We aren't losing to the ****ing Giants.

Mahomes is still the most feared qb on the planet. Somethings off, he will figure it out. When he does, we will win the division and have a home playoff game.

From there, anything is possible.

Best thing about this string of poor play has been the fact that we've only played one division game and should have won it.

If you told anyone before the game that it would be tied 24 all, 2:14 left in the game an Mahomes gets the ball 1st and 10, you chalk that shit up as a W 999/1000 times. The chargers escaped. Period.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

We're about to see Alexian gameplans rear their ugly head.

And it will work. Because Mahomes.

Superbowl here we come

Remmers bad back & Brown's limitations and blocking style is ****ing with Patrick. This is excluding drops by recievers

Did you watch the video?

Don't need to, it's shitting on Patrick with blanket assumptions about his turf toe.

Oh. Lol. Ok.

Simms breaks down Mahomes' bad play
 

Um…no. He talks about some of the pocket issues and then there are plays dissected where it’s clearly Mahomes fault, and there others that have been posted around as well different than these plays.

He also points out how it’s shocking for him and hates to see it because it was Mahomes being amazing and justifying Simms pre draft gushing over him that helped him get the NBC job. Seems like he believes that to an extent which is kind of funny to think about.

Shitting on Patrick yep, it's the flavor of the month

Try watching the video dummy.

Let’s hope Mahomes isn’t this opposed to watching film and constructive criticism and instead just blames it all on others.

This is worse than your take on Bolton, that was pretty bad

The offensive line is not playing well. Read a stat that they've allowed the most pressures in the NFL this year.

I know that. I've already posted a couple of threads about this very thing.


Fisher and Schwartz had to handle it, they were just athletic enough to do it. Brown and Niang are big maulers who aren't made for that type of offense.

I refuse putting significant blame on Mahomes considering who he is and what he has accomplished. IOL is excellent while the OTs like Remmers playing poorly due to injury/age then there's Brown who doesn't fit the pass blocking style that Mahomes is accustomed to out of his Tackles.

Also, if management is incapable of putting an OL together conducive with Mahomes' skills, that seems more like a team building issue more than a Mahomes issue. We shouldn't be asking the best QB in the NFL to change his game from what has worked successfully to accommodate others; it should be the opposite.

Mahomes is making the line look worse. Watch the video.

I think there's truth to that.

Mahomes has had issues drifting too far back in the pocket for a while now. It’s just that now every team is just sending their rushers 10 yards deep in the backfield where they know he is mostly likely to end up. No “style” can prevent that.

Don't ever do that.

Well, getting the ball out quicker might help.

We really should adjust to some shorter routes, some slants, etc.

There's a lot of trying for the home run ball, which means Patrick's drifting back, which means pass rushers are taking the wide end-around and ending up where Patrick tends to go.

I get it.

At any rate, whether the problem is mostly Patrick or mostly Brown/Remmers or what percentage of both it is, we need to get the ball out quicker. And we need to run the ball more to keep defenses honest and make them pay for that shit.

Mahomes is not playing well or at least he certainly didn't against the Bills and Titans.

That's my main frustration. Patrick needs to get better about using his pocket. But a) Andy needs to stop sending every single receiver deep. We need more short options than just RB check downs. B) start using receivers who can actually run these routes. Hardman and Robinson bring things to the table, this is not one of them. Tyreek can do some of this but we don't want that. Either get Gordon in there or if you lack confidence how hard can it be to find a biggish receiver who can consistently win short stuff when the defense is daring you to take it.

I think he's grown too fond of having those wide open throwing lanes from outside the pocket as well.

He's essentially got zero pocket presence right now. He's hardly stepping up and he's never sliding around within the pocket.

He hits his drop and if the first guy he sees isn't open, he bails immediately. That can work, as it has for his entire career, but in order for it to be an effective strategy you've got to be great in the pocket first.

I completely agree. I love PMII and will forever back him, but that doesn't mean he is perfect. He has been drifting too deep for awhile now. Defenses aren't stupid. If I were a DC I would tell my DE "rush deep every play... if you get washed out on plays where he steps up then that's on me, but on the plays Mahomes drifts we get immediate pressure and probably win the play". I think some teams have employed this against us already. You basically saw Tennessee doing it in the video.

Yes, Mahomes is a one-read QB now. :rolleyes:

Jesus this place is ****in stupid this week.

I want to see more shit like this quick-release throw to Tyreek vs. the Chargers in 2018:

https://youtu.be/pJJvCojYnK4?t=923

Mahomes is more or less doing what he's always done (which, I should add, has led to phenomenal success for the entirety of his career). The new line clearly hasn't adjusted to it and may very well be incapable of it.

I haven’t seen a “Is Mahomes a System QB?” thread yet

I'm thinking it's more a case of predetermining where he wants to go with the ball. He's clearly scanning the field when he's on the run so I'd never claim he's a one-read QB.

No one is playing that coverage against us anymore.

There are no opportunities for a quick-release throw to a receiver over the short middle?

There is, but it's shell coverage.

You see, in man to man, Tyreek catches the ball in stride and keeps running and its one cut and gone. No team dares to do this anymore.

Against shell coverage, it's the quick throw, 3 men converge, Tyreek runs backwards, infuriatingly almost every time, and is tackled for shorter gain than if he'd just catch and move forward and go down.

This.

Got em

Nothing in that video is wrong, it's just partial. I think Mahomes is having some problems with his reads and his pocket presence. But there is absolutely no way Brown has been as an effective pass protector as Fisher was. We've all seen enough snaps where he's just plain lost, and Mahomes' drop depth is not the problem.

I don't think Brown has been as bad as some have suggested and there's probably points where he's looked bad but it's been for the reason Simms has noted. But not all the "phantom pressure" seems that phantom to me.

I was surprised by that. Was the offseason surgery not successful or something? That is one of the last things I would have thought to blame his issues this year on.

Turf toe is a tendon injury. Like any tendon injury, it takes time to heal. Even after surgery. Tendons are slow healers. So it wouldn't be surprising that his surgery was successful, but still not healed to 100%.

Like an ACL. Surgery can be successful, but it's typical for players to still need a year before they can stop dealing with swelling of the tendon etc.

So while im sure the surgery went fine, there may be some lingering effects and it won't be FULLY healed till next season.

I hope the problem is mahomes and not the oline. Gonna be a nightmare to get two bookend tackles

Couldn't agree more with every single word

Its not a hot take placing undue blame on any one side, just the plain truth... and the truth is reality usually lies somewhere in the middle

These players don't exist in a vacuum, everything is sooo symbiotic... thats why its the ultimate team game

Simms isn't saying anything that logical people haven't already said.

Right now it's just a snowball effect.

The line is bigger at the edge and can't roll back forever as Pat drifts around behind the line. Pat isn't stepping up because he wants to buy time to go deeper. Going deeper isn't happening because they don't have what it takes currently to bust the extra coverage. Pat gets frustrated and starts chucking shit as short routes aren't appealing when the Defense is an automatic 7.

Pat needs to drive the ball from inside the pocket but the coaches need to figure out how to get some receivers open to allow him to.

sensing phantom pressure

rolling out too soon

Seems I've heard that before?

he learned from the best ROFL

Look at highlights from 18-19, 19-20, and hell even most of last season Mahomes is masterful in the pocket. He's so damn smooth. The IOL last year just got in his head 100%.

The line is not an issue this year, but he's gun shy and doesnt trust them. Yeah he's always been a guy to bail out of the pocket and do something spectacular, but he'd bail because of actual pressure or he'd drop back deep to buy time, but he can't do that this year because teams are dropping back everyone.

Epic

I think the Super Bowl scarred him. How could it not? The biggest game on the biggest stage and we got embarrassed. Mahomes actually set a record that game for most yards ran by a QB before throwing on the season. It was a given every single snap that he would need to escape pressure.

He should have already had his mind right. This is the same problems he had in the Super Bowl. They said they'd fix them and have not. It's terrible to watch.

That's easy to say when you're the asshole watching, and not the guy getting knees to the face and your head nearly ripped off your body, and possibly playing on a bad wheel and knowing that if you don't get shit done right now, your team is about to be down.

Until he builds a trust with the line, there are going to be some ugly plays.


Until the defense can force a punt at any time before the 4tb quarter, he's going to press.

Here's what Patrick shoulders each week


Win toss, Andy defers.

Mahomes takes the field down 7 points.

Offense fails to go down and answer with a td.

Mahomes takes the field down 14.

That's a pattern of events that let's you know real quick, if you don't keep this ball moving, the game is going to get out of reach. He presses, things go bad and get worse.