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Rain Man 06-29-2020 11:59 AM

Listen, people. We need to have a talk about a Chiefs name change at some point.
 
I think the odds are low of a name change, but given the current state of affairs it's a non-zero possibility. And if we don't have input, the name will end up being some trite adjective in front of the word Hawks, which has happened with pretty much every other sports name change in America. Green Hawks, Fighting Hawks, Screeching Hawks, whatever. We don't want that.

I suspect that some members of Chiefs management read this site occasionally to get our takes on who should be starting at left guard or how they should handle a particular contract, so this is our chance to have input into the process. (Oh, and hi, Clark. Nice work last year, my friend. PM me about getting together for dinner next time you're in Denver.)

So we'll have a renaming tournament. In this thread, you may propose up to three names, and I'll structure everyone's suggestions into heats. Using the Chiefsplanet brain trust, we'll give Clark and his team valuable input into what the Chiefs should become if we eventually delete our homage to indigenous plains cultures.

ptlyon 06-29-2020 11:59 AM

No, we don't

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:00 PM

Quick question: are ermines native to Kansas City?

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:00 PM

KC FIRE CHIEFS Double AXE Grey and Yellow uniforms like the coats firemen wear when they break in. Fountains the Dalmation is the mascot. The KC HOSE cheerleading team. LADDER UP is the slogan.

The Franchise 06-29-2020 12:01 PM

Champions
Kings
Knights

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:01 PM

KC FIRECHIEFS PUT OUT ANOTHER FIRE!!! Holthus

Hammock Parties 06-29-2020 12:02 PM

Scalpers
Savages
Rapers

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-29-2020 12:03 PM

"The Kansas City Champs" has a nice ring and will be relevant for the next two decades.

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 15043074)
No, we don't

History is moving forward, my friend. If we don't move with it, we'll be left behind like an Australopithecus watching the Bering land bridge sink.

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:05 PM

Kansas City Sauce

KCUnited 06-29-2020 12:07 PM

KANSAS CITY CHEUFS!!!

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:07 PM

I have conflicting information about ermine habitat, but the Missouri extension office implies that there are indeed ermines in the northern part of the state. It's problematic because it's not the exact species of Mustela erminea, but it's close enough. And there are no lions in Detroit or tigers in Cincinnati.

https://extension2.missouri.edu/g952...in%20wetlands.

AdolfOliverBush 06-29-2020 12:08 PM

Kansas City **** Crushers

Chieftain 06-29-2020 12:08 PM

The word Chief is noble and has a respectful connotation. In this case, it is attributed to the elders of the native american communities. There is nothing racist, demeaning or pejorative in its definition. To argue otherwise is irrational.

Darien25 06-29-2020 12:08 PM

Kansas City Destroyers

58-4ever 06-29-2020 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 15043092)
Kansas City Sauce

LOL

Might as well be the Z-Men

58-4ever 06-29-2020 12:09 PM

In reality, I like "Kings"...

tooge 06-29-2020 12:10 PM

Donkey Rapists? Maybe that's not family friendly and it might piss off Mexicans. Lets just stick to Chiefs. If they can't do that, then I like Demonpenz idea.

KCUnited 06-29-2020 12:11 PM

Kings will be on the banned list not long after Chiefs

ptlyon 06-29-2020 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15043084)
Scalpers
Savages
Rapers

IN. Except everyone will refer to them as tha rappers and then will evolve to the raptors.

wazu 06-29-2020 12:11 PM

Nope.

big nasty kcnut 06-29-2020 12:12 PM

Kansas city super chiefs!

KCUnited 06-29-2020 12:13 PM

KC Crop Dusters

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:14 PM

Kansas City Smoke

kepp 06-29-2020 12:14 PM

The Kansas City "Human Beings"

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:14 PM

The Kansas City We are not walking that far.

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:15 PM

The Kansas City One Terminal Disaster

ptlyon 06-29-2020 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15043090)
History is moving forward, my friend. If we don't move with it, we'll be left behind like an Australopithecus watching the Bering land bridge sink.

That's fine. If they bow down and change their name just to be obedient for such a bullshit reason, I won't watch them anymore. Same with the fighting Sioux. They're dead to me.

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15043101)
The word Chief is noble and has a respectful connotation. In this case, it is attributed to the elders of the native american communities. There is nothing racist, demeaning or pejorative in its definition. To argue otherwise is irrational.

Are you trying to get your statue torn down or something?

While we all have our own beliefs about the Chiefs name, the truth is that there are some public relations people dogging on us. It's best to be prepared in case something happens and we have to pivot quickly. We'll just prepare an acceptable alternative name and Clark can keep it in his back pocket.

Demonpenz 06-29-2020 12:15 PM

Kansas City Catfish SCHOOLS IN SESSION

Darien25 06-29-2020 12:18 PM

Kansas City Kick Ass

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:18 PM

As the first of my three names, I'll go with Ermines. It's clearly a great contender.

As my second name, I'll go with Chameleons. We can get high tech uniforms that change to match our multi-colored field turf, and it'll confuse opponents. Plus, it's alliterative.

Still thinking about my third name.

chiefsftw 06-29-2020 12:18 PM

KC Hitmen

srvy 06-29-2020 12:27 PM

Nothing wrong with Chiefs.

I was always fond of our former Hockey team.

Kansas City Scouts
or
Kansas City Jazz

backinblack 06-29-2020 12:27 PM

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Garcia Bronco 06-29-2020 12:28 PM

How about the Bleeding Kansas?

Deberg_1990 06-29-2020 12:30 PM

The Kansas City Pitch

CaliforniaChief 06-29-2020 12:32 PM

I think the name is safe. As mentioned, Chiefs is a term of respect unlike Redskins.

Gone will be the chop, the white woman riding in on a horse, stuff like that. And maybe at some point they'll update the helmet/look.

srvy 06-29-2020 12:34 PM

In today's cancel culture our old negro league baseball team KC Monarchs wouldn't survive.

Also speaking of Negro League Baseball Museum. When will it be changed to African American League Museum?

sully1983 06-29-2020 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15043101)
The word Chief is noble and has a respectful connotation. In this case, it is attributed to the elders of the native american communities. There is nothing racist, demeaning or pejorative in its definition. To argue otherwise is irrational.

^^^
Good post and also correct!

ClevelandBronco 06-29-2020 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15043101)
The word Chief is noble and has a respectful connotation. In this case, it is attributed to the elders of the native american communities. There is nothing racist, demeaning or pejorative in its definition. To argue otherwise is irrational.

See, that's the disconnect. You assume people will act rationally. I have some really bad news for you, man.

bdj23 06-29-2020 12:38 PM

If they change the name I'm out.

HayWire 06-29-2020 12:39 PM

Kansas City Burnt Ends With a Side of Beans and Fries, hold the slaw.

Might be kind of hard to yell at the end of the Anthem though

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:39 PM

Apparently there was a short-lived NFL team in Kansas City in 1924 called the Kansas City Blues. We could take that name and keep the red jerseys just to mess with people.

The Blues later became the Kansas City Cowboys, but Cowboys is a stupid name so we won't consider that.

Deberg_1990 06-29-2020 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 15043166)
If they change the name I'm out.

No you won’t be

lewdog 06-29-2020 12:40 PM

Kansas City Dickfores

ClevelandBronco 06-29-2020 12:42 PM

There's no more neutral a word than Gray. You can keep that thing forever.

1. Kansas City Grays

2. TK

3. TK

BigCatDaddy 06-29-2020 12:43 PM

The White Knights

ClevelandBronco 06-29-2020 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 15043177)
Kansas City Dickfores

WHAT'S A DICKFORE?, he asked.

TheMartyr 06-29-2020 12:45 PM

The Chiefs should be able to keep the name, but the Tomahawk chop will be gone at some point. It will likely live on in some parts of the stadium and the fandom, but I think there will be a concerted effort by the team to phase that out. I personally think the chop is not worth fighting for as it is just a tradition stolen from Seminoles/Braves fans.

They have already made some small steps to encourage more education and connection to Native American tribals groups in the area. If I were in charge, I would take the following steps:

1) Make immediate plans to get rid of the chop
2) Start implementing policies that gets fans to not wear Native American headdresses and other symbolic apparel at the game
3) Reach out to local tribal leaders and do more to honor these groups at the games with some half time performances that are educational, respectful, and inclusive to Native Americans
4) Create strategic partnerships with local Native American institutions, such as Haskell University in Lawrence, the Mid-American Museum Center in Wichita, holding free football camps on Indian reservations (there is actually a long and storied history of Native Americans embracing football), etc.

Get out in front of the messaging and do the best you can to mitigate the fallout from the angry subset of fans who are pissed off that you are taking “their chop” away from them.

FloridaMan88 06-29-2020 12:46 PM

Kansas City Mahomeses

Just re-name everything in KC after PMIII... problems solved.

Trivers 06-29-2020 12:46 PM

Can't believe I'm saying this for a Rainman thread......but thread FAIL!

If someone of lessor CP statue had posted this nonsense, they would be given anti-freeze and set on fire on an aids-tree.

Overreaction to current events??

RealSNR 06-29-2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 15043125)
That's fine. If they bow down and change their name just to be obedient for such a bullshit reason, I won't watch them anymore. Same with the fighting Sioux. They're dead to me.


UND pushed back against pressure to change the name for decades. Only until the NCAA threatened them with ineligibility for all athletic playoff tournaments did the school remove the Fighting Sioux name.

They had no other choice. There was no “just tough it out if people complain”

O.city 06-29-2020 12:47 PM

Burnt ends

Sorce 06-29-2020 12:48 PM

You can argue the name is a title, not a culture. You could argue that arrowheads are kinda universal but you kinda lose the argument with the tomahawk chop and chant. However a lot of my ancestry is of nordic background, if we've got to change then the racist vikings need to as well. Maybe the Minnesota Dontcha Knows.

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15043189)
Kansas City Mahomeses

Just re-name everything in KC after PMIII... problems solved.

I like it a lot, but it's risky. I figure that future generations will tear down his statues because he drank milk or had a dog or some other 21st century thing that will become a 22nd-century abomination.

Oh, how about Wasps? I could go with Wasps.

RealSNR 06-29-2020 12:52 PM

Kansas City Hungry Pigs

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trivers (Post 15043190)
Can't believe I'm saying this for a Rainman thread......but thread FAIL!

If someone of lessor CP statue had posted this nonsense, they would be given anti-freeze and set on fire on an aids-tree.

Overreaction to current events??


As noted earlier, I'm not proposing that the name be changed. I'm just saying that we should be prepared if a change becomes necessary. It's the equivalent of building a fallout shelter before the Soviets put missiles in Cuba.

KC_Lee 06-29-2020 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15043202)
Oh, how about Wasps? I could go with Wasps.

Nah, then Blackie Lawless would sue us.

tooge 06-29-2020 12:55 PM

The KC Beef n Fry

Rain Man 06-29-2020 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 15043211)
Nah, then Blackie Lawless would sue us.

And I just remembered that WASP is a slang for White Anglo Saxon Protestant. That would be an embarrassing snafu on a name change.

carcosa 06-29-2020 12:58 PM

The Kansas City Patrick Mahomes IIs!!!!

KC_Lee 06-29-2020 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15043216)
And I just remembered that WASP is a slang for White Anglo Saxon Protestant. That would be an embarrassing snafu on a name change.

Also We Are Sexually Perverted, take your pick.

excessive 06-29-2020 12:59 PM

No, no, you are going about this all wrong. Don't change the name. Just change the mascot and iconography.

For example, the mascot could be a dude in a business suit carrying a briefcase. Maybe he could resemble H. Roe Bartle (quick, somebody check and see if he was a racist) or Lamar Hunt. Instead, of a pseudo Indian chant when doing the chop, the crowd could say something like, "You've been served," like someone serving a subpoena, as their arms move up and down. We could call the cheer squad, The Interns. Instead of the Red Coaters, the 1%ers. We could even keep K.C. Wolf; just keep him away from The Interns

I suppose this could work for the Fire Chiefs suggestion as well, though I'm not partial to the firefighter idea. I've just known too many asshole firemen/women/people over the years. CEOs seem much nicer, always worrying about the bottom line and shareholders and dividends and all.

But anyway, it's just an example. Don't change the name. Just change what it signifies.

Otter 06-29-2020 01:00 PM

The Eagle Murderers

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BxQJ62Kh-N...enShot5472.jpg

Rain Man 06-29-2020 01:03 PM

I ilke it, excessive. The Kansas City Chief Executive Officers could be shortened to Chiefs. Now, we might take some flak if people complain that CEO's are not proportionate to the population by race and gender, but could we say that we're just aspirational toward the future? That theme could work.

ptlyon 06-29-2020 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15043191)
UND pushed back against pressure to change the name for decades. Only until the NCAA threatened them with ineligibility for all athletic playoff tournaments did the school remove the Fighting Sioux name.

They had no other choice. There was no “just tough it out if people complain”

It all died with Ralph Engelstad. He had the money. Every time someone would complain he would put up another sioux emblem. After he wax gone it lost it's fire.

CarlosCarson27 06-29-2020 01:12 PM

Not a chance in ****ing heck.
Enough with the fear mongering on all levels.

The whole indian name shit was as manufactured as 5he corona fear.

kcclone 06-29-2020 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15043101)
The word Chief is noble and has a respectful connotation. In this case, it is attributed to the elders of the native american communities. There is nothing racist, demeaning or pejorative in its definition. To argue otherwise is irrational.


Yeah, I don't see how it could possibly be considered derogatory in any way, shape or form.

Pants 06-29-2020 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 15043177)
Kansas City Dickfores

I'm confused.

What's a dick for?

Zebedee DuBois 06-29-2020 01:14 PM

i would vote for "The Kansas City Dammit Carls."

Historically, it should be the "JFC, This River Is Almost As Big As The One We Crossed Last Month - DagNabIt, Let's Just Live Here!"s Maybe the "DagNabIts" for short.

RealSNR 06-29-2020 01:19 PM

These are my actual suggestions:

1. Kansas City Wasps: I'm stealing this idea from whoever had it first on this thread. There are no bug mascots in the NFL. We'd be quite original.

2. Kansas City Racers: I guess there's that speedway thing we have that's kind of popular, and it embraces the team's proud tradition of having some of the NFL's best fast guys for their given eras (Dante Hall, Jamaal Charles, Tyreek Hill). Ubeja would ****ing love this one. Doesn't have to be Racers specifically. Could be Speeders or Zoom Machines or whatever other speed-related noun rolls off the tongue the best.

3. Kansas City Kings: Yeah, wrong sport and all, but to make the transition as seamless as possible, I think we might need to think about the history of teams in this area so that sports fans at least feel somewhat "at home" with the new name, as uneasy as it may be. It's the boring suggestion, but boring might be best. Other suggestions: Monarchs, Royals (could be a nice way to spite the people who sparked this change by forcing them to specifically say "Kansas City (football) Royals"), Athletics, Scouts (don't like Scouts, though).

Alternatively, if we want a brand new name the city has never had before and want to stick with the royalty/community executive theme, we could also try Kansas City Emperors

Dante84 06-29-2020 01:23 PM

The Kansas City 'Cat-Hawk-Elephant-Iguana-Falcons' - Chiefs for short.

RealSNR 06-29-2020 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by excessive (Post 15043223)
No, no, you are going about this all wrong. Don't change the name. Just change the mascot and iconography.

For example, the mascot could be a dude in a business suit carrying a briefcase. Maybe he could resemble H. Roe Bartle (quick, somebody check and see if he was a racist) or Lamar Hunt. Instead, of a pseudo Indian chant when doing the chop, the crowd could say something like, "You've been served," like someone serving a subpoena, as their arms move up and down. We could call the cheer squad, The Interns. Instead of the Red Coaters, the 1%ers. We could even keep K.C. Wolf; just keep him away from The Interns

I suppose this could work for the Fire Chiefs suggestion as well, though I'm not partial to the firefighter idea. I've just known too many asshole firemen/women/people over the years. CEOs seem much nicer, always worrying about the bottom line and shareholders and dividends and all.

But anyway, it's just an example. Don't change the name. Just change what it signifies.

Kansas City Chiefs

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...path-prefix=en

Rain Man 06-29-2020 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15043266)
The Kansas City 'Cat-Hawk-Elephant-Iguana-Falcons' - Chiefs for short.

I like it, but I'd switch the order up a little.

SuperChief 06-29-2020 01:38 PM

Kansas City Choppers
Kansas City Tornadoes
Kansas City Slabs

AndChiefs 06-29-2020 01:40 PM

Fighting banana slugs

DJ's left nut 06-29-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 15043121)
The Kansas City "Human Beings"

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121031153244

srvy 06-29-2020 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15043174)
Apparently there was a short-lived NFL team in Kansas City in 1924 called the Kansas City Blues. We could take that name and keep the red jerseys just to mess with people.

The Blues later became the Kansas City Cowboys, but Cowboys is a stupid name so we won't consider that.

Yep then St Lou stole it for their stolen Hockey team and claim they are rich in blues and jazz tradition. St Lou the City of Thieves.

ptlyon 06-29-2020 01:49 PM

Kansas city Blazing Saddles


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