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The Franchise 02-06-2020 12:48 PM

Matt Miller’s 7 round mock draft
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 7 rounds of the 2020 NFL draft predicted right here. <a href="https://t.co/1bsZ4k0W4k">https://t.co/1bsZ4k0W4k</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1224358944736284672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

32. Kansas City Chiefs: CB Jaylon Johnson, Utah

If watching Deebo Samuel carve up this defense wasn't enough evidence, keep in mind the Chiefs have only two corners under contract for 2020. This is a major need and thankfully at a deep group of players in this draft.

Johnson has excellent size and would be ideal in the Kansas City defense. He can press or play off. He's big enough to handle physical receivers. With only Charvarius Ward set to return as a starter, this is the bigger need than complementary pieces on offense.

64. CHIEFS: WR Gabriel Davis, UCF
96. CHIEFS: RB Ke'Shawn Vaughn, Vanderbilt
135. CHIEFS: IOL Trystan Colon-Castillo, Missouri
178. CHIEFS: TE Josiah Deguara, Cincinnati

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 01:09 PM

Colon-Castillo is a Webb City HS grad. Interesting fit there.

I’d be surprised if they don’t draft a LBer but I guess these all make some sense.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 01:14 PM

Grant Delpit at 39?? What happened to that guy?

(I know he’s not a Chiefs need, just thought he was a lock for top 10 not long ago)

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 01:16 PM

I feel like the Raiders and Broncos both may come out with stud receivers in R1 (like Miller projects), which makes CB all the more significant for us.

DaneMcCloud 02-06-2020 01:53 PM

For the first time in my entire life, I couldn't care less who or what positions the Chiefs draft in 2020.

I used to spend so much time watching college ball, all the bowl games including the Shrine & Senior Bowls, every minute of The Combine and read each and every article written about the Chiefs on any internet site in an attempt to find a "Gem" or players that could contribute immediately.

Now, it just doesn't matter because the Chiefs have their Hall-of-Fame in waiting QB, who covers up any and all personnel mistakes. That said, Veach has done amazing work the past 2 years and it's silly that he's not Executive of the Year.

But yeah, CB, LB, RB, WR, TE, D-line, O-line - just whatever. I'd prefer to see the Chiefs grab a great running back and wide receiver in a super deep draft at those positions but seriously, whoever they draft will more than likely be a solid contributor next season.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Veach trades out of #32 and snags an additional 3rd, 4th or 5th rounder, especially since the Chiefs don't have a 6th or 7th. Personally, I'd rather have a pair of 3rd rounders to use as ammo to trade up or to use on a plyer, rather than taking a guy at #32.

Their window is wide open and I'd be more than happy to bypass the 5th Year Option (when Mahomes would be nearly 30 years old to start the season) to grab two solid contributors instead of one this year.

staylor26 02-06-2020 01:56 PM

By “carving” up does he mean having just having 39 yards on 5 receptions? All of Samuel’s big plays came on reverses.

CB is at the top of my list, just thought that part was funny/stupid.

Not a huge fan of the 2nd rounder even though I haven’t watched him, but I like Johnson and Vaughn.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14782028)
By “carving” up does he mean having just having 39 yards on 5 resections? All of Samuel’s big plays came on reverses.

CB is at the top of my list, just thought that part was funny/stupid.

Not a huge fan of the 2nd rounder even though I haven’t watched him, but I like Johnson and Vaughn.

Yeah I was gonna say, Samuel did most of his damage on carries.

Emmanuel Sanders was M.I.A.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 02:02 PM

Dane McCloud.... long time no see.

We had our share of dumb arguments in the past. Better days have arrived.

You’re doggone right... hope the week has been every bit as enjoyable as you ever could have imagined.

SB CHAMPS!

The Franchise 02-06-2020 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14782028)
By “carving” up does he mean having just having 39 yards on 5 receptions? All of Samuel’s big plays came on reverses.

CB is at the top of my list, just thought that part was funny/stupid.

Not a huge fan of the 2nd rounder even though I haven’t watched him, but I like Johnson and Vaughn.

I think it’s all going to depend on if they can bring back either Breeland or Fuller. And I also wouldn’t be surprised if Veach tries to complete another trade like he did for Ward.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 02:43 PM

I think we’d all agree that every single member of the secondary, hell the defense, met or exceeded expectations in the last 2-3 months.

We’re going to have to trust our coaches, who are very good, to continue to maximize the players we have. But guys like Breeland and Fuller are likely gone.

DaneMcCloud 02-06-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14782134)
I think we’d all agree that every single member of the secondary, hell the defense, met or exceed expectations in the last 2-3 months.

We’re going to have to trust our coaches, who are very good, to continue to maximize the players we have. But guys like Breeland and Fuller are likely gone.

I think it would be wise, if possible, to retain Breeland on a 3 year deal.

Fuller performed best, IMO, as a safety and I'd take him in a heartbeat if he'd come back on a reasonable deal.

With that said, I do expect both to explore the market before making a decision. Neither of these guys were Chiefs to start their careers and now that they both have Super Bowl rings, they may want to maximize their earnings before it's too late.

RunKC 02-06-2020 03:15 PM

The best positions in this class appear to be WR and corner. Very deep on both sides.

We know teams are gonna load up their offense to score. Get corners to defend the pass. Broncos IMO will be our biggest threat to the division and they are gonna load up on offense.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vic Fangio on how to beat the Chiefs:<br><br>(*FWIW, Fangio is correct about all by one small thing: There were two Chiefs losses in which their opponent scored fewer than 31 points. In addition to the Colts, the Chargers scored 29 in their 2018 win over KC.) <a href="https://t.co/x9ASppzUzP">pic.twitter.com/x9ASppzUzP</a></p>&mdash; Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1225511489928400897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Based on Brady rumors, the Patriots are gonna load up on receivers too.

ntexascardfan 02-06-2020 03:30 PM

I feel like the draft I posted a few days ago holds up pretty well against this one.

I think if the first round fell this way that we'd have to try to trade out of the 32nd pick. There's a lot of talent in the first ten picks of that second round that have been projected first rounders the last few months.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14782221)
The best positions in this class appear to be WR and corner. Very deep on both sides.

We know teams are gonna load up their offense to score. Get corners to defend the pass. Broncos IMO will be our biggest threat to the division and they are gonna load up on offense.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vic Fangio on how to beat the Chiefs:<br><br>(*FWIW, Fangio is correct about all by one small thing: There were two Chiefs losses in which their opponent scored fewer than 31 points. In addition to the Colts, the Chargers scored 29 in their 2018 win over KC.) <a href="https://t.co/x9ASppzUzP">pic.twitter.com/x9ASppzUzP</a></p>&mdash; Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1225511489928400897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Based on Brady rumors, the Patriots are gonna load up on receivers too.

He can throw the Colts one completely out too because that was without Hill, Watkins, and Fisher. Those 3 pieces are so important that it was never going to take 30 points to win. The running game made it take even less. And that’s not even considering that Mahomes had a bad ankle.

If Mahomes is healthy, it’s gonna take 30+ to beat the Chiefs on the vast majority of days and even that may not be enough. Tough deal all around.

I will say that I dread the thought of having to play CeeDee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy twice a year. But whatever.

penchief 02-06-2020 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14782015)
For the first time in my entire life, I couldn't care less who or what positions the Chiefs draft in 2020.

I used to spend so much time watching college ball, all the bowl games including the Shrine & Senior Bowls, every minute of The Combine and read each and every article written about the Chiefs on any internet site in an attempt to find a "Gem" or players that could contribute immediately.

Now, it just doesn't matter because the Chiefs have their Hall-of-Fame in waiting QB, who covers up any and all personnel mistakes. That said, Veach has done amazing work the past 2 years and it's silly that he's not Executive of the Year.

But yeah, CB, LB, RB, WR, TE, D-line, O-line - just whatever. I'd prefer to see the Chiefs grab a great running back and wide receiver in a super deep draft at those positions but seriously, whoever they draft will more than likely be a solid contributor next season.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Veach trades out of #32 and snags an additional 3rd, 4th or 5th rounder, especially since the Chiefs don't have a 6th or 7th. Personally, I'd rather have a pair of 3rd rounders to use as ammo to trade up or to use on a plyer, rather than taking a guy at #32.

Their window is wide open and I'd be more than happy to bypass the 5th Year Option (when Mahomes would be nearly 30 years old to start the season) to grab two solid contributors instead of one this year.

I feel similar. The draft will be interesting but not vital. I trust Veach to find good players. He's built an impressive resume in just two years by utilizing all available means. Trades (Clark, Ward, Rankin, Ogbah, Fuller, Lee, Ragland, Erving), Free Agents (Mathieu, Breeland, Wilson, Williams, Okafor, Watkins, Hitchens), Off the Street (Pennel, Wisnieski, Moore), and the draft (Hardman, Thornhill, Saunders, Fenton, Nnadi).

There is good reason for optimism.

kccrow 02-06-2020 04:01 PM

If this team goes for a bigger receiver, and not that I don't like Davis, I think I'd prefer Isaiah Hodgins. Reminds a bunch of Kenny Golladay coming out and probably will be there around the same time (3-96).

duncan_idaho 02-06-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14782331)
If this team goes for a bigger receiver, and not that I don't like Davis, I think I'd prefer Isaiah Hodgins. Reminds a bunch of Kenny Golladay coming out and probably will be there around the same time (3-96).

Or Denzel Mims. Who also draws Golladay comps.

Mims, for a big guy with a huge catch radius who likes to run the 9 route, gains surprisingly good separation on shorter routes, too.

duncan_idaho 02-06-2020 04:37 PM

I've come around on the idea of using at least one of the first two picks on a skill player on offense.

They're likely losing Watkins, and he has been huge for KC when teams scheme to take away Hill and Kelce. You need that third threat who can make defenses pay for singling them up.

Running back is probably the biggest initial bang-for-the-buck. If they can get a true 3-down guy like Swift or Dobbins at 32, it makes sense to me.

Dobbins is a more explosive HR threat, Swift has better vision.

If they go that way at 32, probably leaves them needing to take a CB at 63, unless there's an OL/DL there they just love.

The Franchise 02-06-2020 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14782331)
If this team goes for a bigger receiver, and not that I don't like Davis, I think I'd prefer Isaiah Hodgins. Reminds a bunch of Kenny Golladay coming out and probably will be there around the same time (3-96).

After watching Hodgins in person a bunch of times now....I’d ****ing love that pick.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2020 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14782375)
I've come around on the idea of using at least one of the first two picks on a skill player on offense.

They're likely losing Watkins, and he has been huge for KC when teams scheme to take away Hill and Kelce. You need that third threat who can make defenses pay for singling them up.

Running back is probably the biggest initial bang-for-the-buck. If they can get a true 3-down guy like Swift or Dobbins at 32, it makes sense to me.

Dobbins is a more explosive HR threat, Swift has better vision.

If they go that way at 32, probably leaves them needing to take a CB at 63, unless there's an OL/DL there they just love.

I don’t have 100% confidence in Hardman right now to be that dude but isn’t that kinda what we need him to be? :shrug:

I think he’s definitely more than just a kick returner and will start in 3 WR sets. But we do need more of a possession style WR to complement he and Hill.

RB may be the spot. I think they could upgrade there if it’s a BPA situation. I just hope we never pay big at that position as long as Mahomes is around, it just wouldn’t make sense.

kccrow 02-06-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14782395)
I don’t have 100% confidence in Hardman right now to be that dude but isn’t that kinda what we need him to be? :shrug:

I think he’s definitely more than just a kick returner and will start in 3 WR sets. But we do need more of a possession style WR to complement he and Hill.

RB may be the spot. I think they could upgrade there if it’s a BPA situation. I just hope we never pay big at that position as long as Mahomes is around, it just wouldn’t make sense.

That's one thing that scares me most about spending a 1st on a RB. You get 4 years and then a more expensive 5th year and then what? If he's great you almost feel compelled to extend him for big money because you burned that 1st. You wouldn't spend a 1st rounder every 4 to 5 years on a RB. I think you just churn a 3rd round pick every 4 years. I kind of feel the same about backup QB. Buy one in the 4th every 4 years for super cheap rather than buying a vet for $3m+ a season. That's two positions you basically lock up 4 years at a crack for 1-2 m per year rather than 6-7 per year.

saphojunkie 02-06-2020 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14782028)
By “carving” up does he mean having just having 39 yards on 5 receptions? All of Samuel’s big plays came on reverses.

CB is at the top of my list, just thought that part was funny/stupid.

Not a huge fan of the 2nd rounder even though I haven’t watched him, but I like Johnson and Vaughn.

Was gonna say this

Chargem 02-07-2020 01:09 AM

I'd be surprised of the draft went so offense heavy like that.

ntexascardfan 02-07-2020 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14782424)
That's one thing that scares me most about spending a 1st on a RB. You get 4 years and then a more expensive 5th year and then what? If he's great you almost feel compelled to extend him for big money because you burned that 1st. You wouldn't spend a 1st rounder every 4 to 5 years on a RB. I think you just churn a 3rd round pick every 4 years. I kind of feel the same about backup QB. Buy one in the 4th every 4 years for super cheap rather than buying a vet for $3m+ a season. That's two positions you basically lock up 4 years at a crack for 1-2 m per year rather than 6-7 per year.

As long as Pat is our QB we don't need a super dynamic RB. It's a nice luxury if we hit one in the draft, but it's not something we should be spending dollars on.

Make sure he has a solid line, a good tight end, and the rest will fall into place.

The Patriots gave us the play book for how to manage a roster around an elite QB.

Chris Meck 02-07-2020 08:37 AM

you know who might be an interesting WR? Lynn Bowden from Kentucky.

Was the #1 receiver; lighting it up. Then last year, the top two QB's went down and Bowden took over the QB spot and played Lamar Jackson-style.

I think Andy would have a lot of fun with a cat like that. Can you imagine? WR screen that's actually a lateral and then a 50 yard bomb to Tyreek?

OKchiefs 02-07-2020 08:53 AM

Unless there is a player who falls that we absolutely have to have I'm in favor of going the Patriots route of constantly trading down for more picks. If this draft is like many others where pundits claim there are only 20 or so true first round talents then the difference between a player taken at 32 and between 40-50 could be negligible. With our limited cap room we can use every pick possible to add depth/competition.

Halfcan 02-07-2020 11:34 AM

We need a Milk Cow type running back. This team would be very scary with a decent running game.

staylor26 02-07-2020 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14783231)
you know who might be an interesting WR? Lynn Bowden from Kentucky.

Was the #1 receiver; lighting it up. Then last year, the top two QB's went down and Bowden took over the QB spot and played Lamar Jackson-style.

I think Andy would have a lot of fun with a cat like that. Can you imagine? WR screen that's actually a lateral and then a 50 yard bomb to Tyreek?

He’s intriguing no doubt. My only problem with him is he’s very raw in terms of route running and we already have a guy like that in Hardman.

Preferably, I’d like to get a guy with speed and a good route runner. We need somebody that can make an immediate impact without a limited route tree IMO.

If we get a solid veteran WR, I’d feel a lot better about taking a guy like him though.

DaneMcCloud 02-07-2020 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14782424)
That's one thing that scares me most about spending a 1st on a RB. You get 4 years and then a more expensive 5th year and then what?

Four years with Patrick Mahomes, a running back like Dobbins or Swift, Kelce, Hill and Hardman, not to mention other skill players the Chiefs sign, draft and develop during that time?

Sign me up.

staylor26 02-07-2020 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14783991)
Four years with Patrick Mahomes, a running back like Dobbins or Swift, Kelce, Hill and Hardman, not to mention other skill players the Chiefs sign, draft and develop during that time?

Sign me up.

Yea I don’t really think we can go wrong. If the value isn’t there at CB, LB, DE, or IOL then don’t hesitate to take Swift or Dobbins.

RunKC 02-07-2020 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14784103)
Yea I don’t really think we can go wrong. If the value isn’t there at CB, LB, DE, or IOL then don’t hesitate to take Swift or Dobbins.

I like those RB’s, but I just don’t see the circumstance for picking them so high. There’s almost always great talent in the first rd at other key positions and this year is no different.

I am also a big fan of Mike Weber. Loved him during the draft and still love him. He looks exactly like a Damien Williams type player in this offense.

I think this draft has a deep pool of legit talent. 25-40 look all the same to me in terms of talent level. You can get a really good starter there.

I think that we need to copy the Seattle model and load up on picks by trading down. Seattle was a divisional rd team with a lesser QB doing this. Imagine if they didn’t **** up most of their first picks like Malik McDowell, LJ Collier and Rashaad Penny?

Trade down. Even if we trade Chris Jones for a 1st.

Chargem 02-08-2020 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14784385)
Trade down. Even if we trade Chris Jones for a 1st.

Really starting to agree with this.


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