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Hamwallet 09-22-2019 02:49 PM

Lamar Jackson
 
I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.

Bewbies 09-22-2019 02:50 PM

I am thrilled he is their QB. Mahomes is never going to lose to him.

MahiMike 09-22-2019 02:51 PM

Can't throw still.

eDave 09-22-2019 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 14470333)
I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.

He stunk man. No accuracy, bailed out, etc.

Just no.

DaFace 09-22-2019 02:51 PM

22/43, 267 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 70.6 rating

Color me unimpressed. He's a gimmick QB who is destined for a short, albeit flashy, career.

TLO 09-22-2019 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 14470333)
I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.

Meh. He's an elite talent, but an average QB. IDK if that'll ever change.

Setsuna 09-22-2019 02:51 PM

He's Flacco basically but younger and more mobile. That's pretty much it. He lives on the deep ball. Without it he's mediocre.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 02:52 PM

Is their defense all that great? Back to back games of giving up 350+ passing yards.

Bump 09-22-2019 02:52 PM

I'm not gonna say he's bad, he's pretty good but he was lucky as hell today and threw zero TDs and had two of the luckiest plays I ever seen.

Deberg_1990 09-22-2019 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14470351)
22/43, 267 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 70.6 rating

Color me unimpressed. He's a gimmick QB who is destined for a short, albeit flashy, career.

He’s not horrible. He’s still raw. But because he’s so athletic, he will always be able to keep games interesting.

notorious 09-22-2019 02:53 PM

He isn't legit. Lucky mother ****er keeps throwing ducks.

eDave 09-22-2019 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 14470359)
I'm not gonna say he's bad, he's pretty good but he was lucky as hell today and threw zero TDs and had two of the luckiest plays I ever seen.

He will get all the escalades too.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 02:53 PM

My balls would retreat into my chest if Mahomes took the hits that Jackson takes.

If harbaugh really believes that Jackson can be a true NFL QB then he needs to quit running him so much.

The Ravens would be worse in the short term, but they would extend his career.

He WILL NOT last in this league by playing this way.

bricks 09-22-2019 02:54 PM

That guy is a heck of an athlete. Damn he is elusive and tough to sack back there.

jerryaldini 09-22-2019 02:54 PM

Will be injured. Can't let QB run like that. No accuracy.

T-post Tom 09-22-2019 02:55 PM

Reminds me of Cam, when he came out. Harbaugh and Jackson is a good combo. Could not agree with some of Harbaugh's decisions, but I understand why he made them.

Molitoth 09-22-2019 02:55 PM

He is a slithery fellow, but he is also lucky as **** on 2 incredibly sloppy bullshit passes.

eDave 09-22-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14470372)
My balls would retreat into my chest if Mahomes took the hits that Jackson takes.

If harbaugh really believes that Jackson can be a true NFL QB then he needs to quit running him so much.

The Ravens would be worse in the short term, but they would extend his career.

He WILL NOT last in this league by playing this way.

Pat is taking way to many. Some cheap.

Hamwallet 09-22-2019 02:55 PM

He had to run the plays he was given. How many 4th downs did they go for it? Just saying. He is better then Flacco and they build monster defenses.

Supmarkus 09-22-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14470357)
Is their defense all that great? Back to back games of giving up 350+ passing yards.

To some extent this is a product of having a circus offence. We suffered from it (though or D last year stank) as did the Rams

DRM08 09-22-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 14470355)
He's Flacco basically but younger and more mobile. That's pretty much it. He lives on the deep ball. Without it he's mediocre.

He doesn't have Flacco's arm.

TLO 09-22-2019 02:56 PM

He kind of reminds me of Tyler Thigpen.

FloridaMan88 09-22-2019 02:58 PM

Lamar Jackson needs to play with a lead and not in long yardage situations.

He still is limited when the Ravens are in forced in passing situations... even with some lucky plays today.

lcarus 09-22-2019 02:58 PM

I can't believe we let him get away with throwing up those duck prayers. It took them 2 lucky hail marys just to make this a ball game.

St. Patty's Fire 09-22-2019 02:59 PM

barely 50% completion

He’s a fraud. Got bailed out on some miracle lucky plays

ljmhawk 09-22-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 14470386)
He had to run the plays he was given. How many 4th downs did they go for it? Just saying. He is better then Flacco and they build monster defenses.

he’s better than flacco now, but overall he isn’t even close.

Naptown Chief 09-22-2019 03:00 PM

Sucks.

wazu 09-22-2019 03:00 PM

He's good. He trusts his abilities and makes plays, giving his offense a chance time and again. He's not Mahomes, but if Mahomes didn't exist and Lamar was our QB instead I think we'd be loving the guy.

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 03:01 PM

Lucky ducks.

JEWDONG JACKSON NOT SEXY MAN THROWING.

PHOG 09-22-2019 03:02 PM

I'm still pretty much skeptical. If he keeps playing this style, he won't be around long.

lcarus 09-22-2019 03:03 PM

I hope I'm wrong but New England is gonna shut Jackson down.

Easy 6 09-22-2019 03:03 PM

Freakish athlete, no question about it... he juked several of our guys straight outta their jockstraps today

But I knew the passing numbers would come back to earth today, he finally met a decent defense and couldn’t go off again

Still needs a lotta work in the pocket, and he is also likely to get killed just like his backup from being used in the run game too much

Hamwallet 09-22-2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14470418)
He's good. He trusts his abilities and makes plays, giving his offense a chance time and again. He's not Mahomes, but if Mahomes didn't exist and Lamar was our QB instead I think we'd be loving the guy.

Exactly. We have Mahomes. I thought Lamar was a 3 year and out of the league... I was impressed today.

wazu 09-22-2019 03:04 PM

I will say that I see no scenario where Lamar is still playing when he is 37 years old. I think his career will burn bright while he's under the age of 30, though. Thinking Cam Newton.

FringeNC 09-22-2019 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 14470333)
I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.

I thought exactly the opposite. He's improved from last year, but is hardly the superstar in making that I heard on all the pregame hype. He threw the ball up for grabs multiple times, and is lucky he didn't up with a terrible stat line.

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14470447)
Freakish athlete, no question about it... he juked several of our guys straight outta their jockstraps today

But I knew the passing numbers would come back to earth today, he finally met a decent defense and couldn’t go off again

Still needs a lotta work in the pocket, and he is also likely to get killed just like his backup from being used in the run game too much

Amazing how it goes when you're not playing the Dolphins and Cardinals, eh?

Cardinals have up a TD to the rookie JAGscrub starting for Carolina today...

DRM08 09-22-2019 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14470456)
I will say that I see no scenario where Lamar is still playing when he is 37 years old. I think his career will burn bright while he's under the age of 30, though. Thinking Cam Newton.

Yep. Ravens using his athleticism to their strongest advantage right now, but it will do him no favors in attempting a long career.

chinaski 09-22-2019 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 14470355)
He's Flacco basically but younger and more mobile. That's pretty much it. He lives on the deep ball. Without it he's mediocre.

This. Totally this.

A few of those throws/catches were miracles. Like Cairo Santos "doink" type miracles.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 14470450)
Exactly. We have Mahomes. I thought Lamar was a 3 year and out of the league... I was impressed today.

Wait for the injuries to start piling up. Unless he drastically changes his style of play, it’ll be a short career.

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14470460)
I thought exactly the opposite. He's improved from last year, but is hardly the superstar in making that I heard on all the pregame hype. He threw the ball up for grabs multiple times, and is lucky he didn't up with a terrible stat line.

Honey Badger almost had a couple of those ducks.

Shaid 09-22-2019 03:06 PM

Great running ability but he literally tossed 2 long stinkers where he practically closed his eyes and they got caught. Very lucky today. He's on a team that is built for him and that will keep things going well but you stop that running game and force him to play quarterback, it doesn't look so good.

CervezaChill 09-22-2019 03:07 PM

Not bad for a running back.

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 14470479)
Great running ability but he literally tossed 2 long stinkers where he practically closed his eyes and they got caught. Very lucky today. He's on a team that is built for him and that will keep things going well but you stop that running game and force him to play quarterback, it doesn't look so good.

We never stopped their running game today, and he still stunk up the joint.

petegz28 09-22-2019 03:08 PM

79 yards and 0 TD's.....STELLAR!

keg in kc 09-22-2019 03:08 PM

He didn't have a good day today, at all, and we're not exactly an elite defense at this point. It took two lame duck hail marys to get him over 250, and he didn't really do anything notable running the ball until the very end of the game. He's got a lot of work to do on his accuracy before he's a passing threat, so I think you do exactly what we did: spy him, to stop him running, which hurts you against the running back part of the running game, but keeps him contained. And he just isn't all that much of a threat throwing the ball on broken plays. His two hail mary throws were so ugly that I was legit embarrassed that we allowed the receivers to catch them.

WhiteWhale 09-22-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14470351)
22/43, 267 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 70.6 rating

Color me unimpressed. He's a gimmick QB who is destined for a short, albeit flashy, career.

He had like 100 yards on the most ridiculous passes I've ever seen. His WR's were fielding them like ****ing punt returns.

I can't believe the shit that allowed this game to even be in doubt. It's not like he was making plays. He was throwing up idiot passes that made Deshaun Watson's prayer 50/50 balls look like calculated precision passing.

Good god.

And the first one was OBVIOUSLY offensive PI. If two hands to the chest and full extension on the push off doesn't qualify, I dunno what does.

chiefzilla1501 09-22-2019 03:08 PM

Lamar Jackson couldn't go toe to toe with Mahomes.. But who besides Brady can right now? Those comparisons were stupid. But he's going to be really tough to stop for most games where Baltimore can control TOP. Mahomes dominance took lamar out of his game. I also thought lamar looked pretty solid today.

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14470491)
He had like 100 yards on the most ridiculous passes I've ever seen. His WR's were fielding them like ****ing punt returns.

I can't believe the shit that allowed this game to even be in doubt. It's not like he was making plays. He was throwing up idiot passes that made Deshaun Watson's prayer 50/50 balls look like calculated precision passing.

Good god.

this.

WhiteWhale 09-22-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14470493)
Lamar Jackson couldn't go toe to toe with Mahomes.. But who besides Brady can right now? Those comparisons were stupid. But he's going to be really tough to stop for most games where Baltimore can control TOP. Mahomes dominance took lamar out of his game. I also thought lamar looked pretty solid today.

I thought he was absolutely terrible outside of some lucky ducks he tossed in the 4th. Until then he was under 50% passing, less than 5 yards per attempt. He was shit for 3 quarters and simply lucky in the 4th.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14470493)
Lamar Jackson couldn't go toe to toe with Mahomes.. But who besides Brady can right now? Those comparisons were stupid. But he's going to be really tough to stop for most games where Baltimore can control TOP. Mahomes dominance took lamar out of his game. I also thought lamar looked pretty solid today.

Brady can’t go toe to toe with Mahomes. Bill Belichik can.

Shaid 09-22-2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14470486)
We never stopped their running game today, and he still stunk up the joint.

He was forced to play qb a bit though because they had to play catch up.

Simply Red 09-22-2019 03:15 PM

he's a piece of shit

KChiefs1 09-22-2019 03:16 PM

He got lucky on a couple of punt throws.

Simply Red 09-22-2019 03:18 PM

JK I feel about how Daface feels w/ his comment, about him.

KCUnited 09-22-2019 03:18 PM

Dude's a solid running back who's good at connecting on passes to TE and other RB's. He's also good at wasting a Super Bowl defense and wide receivers.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14470468)
Yep. Ravens using his athleticism to their strongest advantage right now, but it will do him no favors in attempting a long career.

So much this. Running Jackson gives them a better chance to win today, but will screw his career in the long run.

A pocket passer with Jackson’s athleticism that only runs when the play breaks down would be an incredible weapon.

Harbaugh should concede the present to develop Jackson as a better passer, but he won’t. It will be a short career.

PAChiefsGuy 09-22-2019 03:21 PM

Decent QB. Like a more mobile Big Ben with less accuracy. Great at extending plays.

Megatron96 09-22-2019 03:22 PM

He's an incredible athlete and runner. That last TD run was truly a thing of beauty.

He has a live arm, but his accuracy is still in doubt, though better than last year. He's apparently trying to learn to read defenses, but still has a long way to go.

He is learning though. Slowly right now, but he just might learn to be a decent passer.

And he's tough-minded. He never showed any quit or frustration; he just kept coming. And he's really hungry.

Bottom line, there's a lot of raw talent in Lamar, and contrary to what some seem to think, I believe that he's smart enough to figure out how to be a better pocket passer in the near future.

KCUnited 09-22-2019 03:23 PM

Lamar pre-snap

https://i.imgur.com/NWIJZZX.jpg?1

Mama Hip Rockets 09-22-2019 03:25 PM

Lamar Jackson sucks. About half of his yards came on horrible throws that were terribly misplayed by the defense. Charvarius Ward missed the easiest interception possible and knocked it into the receiver's hands for a huge gain. Jackson was overthrowing by several yards on most of his deep balls.

smithandrew051 09-22-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14470578)
He's an incredible athlete and runner. That last TD run was truly a thing of beauty.

He has a live arm, but his accuracy is still in doubt, though better than last year. He's apparently trying to learn to read defenses, but still has a long way to go.

He is learning though. Slowly right now, but he just might learn to be a decent passer.

And he's tough-minded. He never showed any quit or frustration; he just kept coming. And he's really hungry.

Bottom line, there's a lot of raw talent in Lamar, and contrary to what some seem to think, I believe that he's smart enough to figure out how to be a better pocket passer in the near future.

I don’t doubt that he has the ability to be a good QB. I doubt that he will stay healthy long enough to learn. He almost has as many rushing attempts in his career as Damien Williams, which doesn’t include the sacks, QB hits, etc. That is a lot of contact for a QB to take.

There’s a reason that Brady is playing in his mid 40’s and most running backs don’t see 30.

Mama Hip Rockets 09-22-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 14470491)
He had like 100 yards on the most ridiculous passes I've ever seen. His WR's were fielding them like ****ing punt returns.

I can't believe the shit that allowed this game to even be in doubt. It's not like he was making plays. He was throwing up idiot passes that made Deshaun Watson's prayer 50/50 balls look like calculated precision passing.

Good god.

And the first one was OBVIOUSLY offensive PI. If two hands to the chest and full extension on the push off doesn't qualify, I dunno what does.

And even with those 100 lucky yards, his stat line was still trash.

Megatron96 09-22-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14470591)
I don’t doubt that he has the ability to be a good QB. I doubt that he will stay healthy long enough to learn. He almost has as many rushing attempts in his career as Damien Williams, which doesn’t include the sacks, QB hits, etc. That is a lot of contact for a QB to take.

There’s a reason that Brady is playing in his mid 40’s and most running backs don’t see 30.

Yeah, that's how I see it as well. He can't expect to last very long in the NFL taking the hits he's taking currently. But he's not planning to. He's said that he's working to become more of a true QB. We'll just have to see if he can do it.

siberian khatru 09-22-2019 03:36 PM

Great wheels, suspect arm. Rinse, repeat.

Pablo 09-22-2019 03:38 PM

Shitty loser who will string along those purple morons for five years. They deserve him.

Kman34 09-22-2019 03:40 PM

Meh.... Will lose his starting spot due to injury and out of the league in 5 or 6 years...

Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as MAHOMES...

BigCatDaddy 09-22-2019 04:38 PM

A poor mans Mike Vick.

Deberg_1990 09-22-2019 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14470638)
Meh.... Will lose his starting spot due to injury and out of the league in 5 or 6 years...

Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as MAHOMES...

Who is mentioning him in the same breathe as Mahomes?

Kman34 09-22-2019 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14470795)
Who is mentioning him in the same breathe as Mahomes?

All we heard from the talking heads last week..Lamar is in the MVP race.. Jackson vs Mahomes..... Jackson will light up that defense.
Bunch of bullshit...
He's not close to Mahomes skill level... He's a oddity that will flame out...

Hammock Parties 09-22-2019 04:50 PM

dunno what they showed on the broadcast but he missed several open guys for TDs

he sucks

destitute man's mahomes with more speed

OrtonsPiercedTaint 09-22-2019 04:52 PM

https://images.app.goo.gl/xLpq7oqtvtvXHCLn6

BossChief 09-22-2019 04:54 PM

He’s RG3 before the blown knee.

It’s only a matter of time till he’s the current RG3.

Chiefshrink 09-22-2019 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14470456)
I will say that I see no scenario where Lamar is still playing when he is 37 years old. I think his career will burn bright while he's under the age of 30, though. Thinking Cam Newton.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14470468)
Yep. Ravens using his athleticism to their strongest advantage right now, but it will do him no favors in attempting a long career.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14470475)
Wait for the injuries to start piling up. Unless he drastically changes his style of play, it’ll be a short career.

If Lamar chooses not to be a student of the game just as Cam has not chosen to be then he will eventually be like Cam as well with many others(Vick, V Young,RGIII,Kapernick etc.....) still doing the "if the hot read is not there just take off") routine. Cam got majorly exposed in the SB by Wade. Wade figured out this kid can't read a defense and manipulate(audible/adjust). Cam has not been the same since and he is smoke screening his inability to go the next level of QBing with injuries along the way as excuses why his play has not been good. Cam's confidence is shot IMHO. If Cam were to humble himself and become a true student of the game and worry less about his post game fashion show that borders on if not outright "transvestite cravings" he will be a much better QB. Cam was successful early because many teams had not played against him and those that did were lower tier teams.

Lamar is a heckuva backyard QB no doubt, but as some of you said earlier it only goes so far.:shrug:

In fairness to Vick, Vick said he did not become a real NFL QB until Reid got a hold of him.

007 09-22-2019 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14470408)
barely 50% completion

He’s a fraud. Got bailed out on some miracle lucky plays

One of which should have been OPI

carcosa 09-22-2019 05:52 PM

I wasn't particularly impressed.

duncan_idaho 09-22-2019 06:32 PM

I wasn’t really impressed. His accuracy is solid when throwing over the middle with his feet set, or when throwing short while rolling to his right.

The deep balls were scattershot.

The 4th down throw into his receivers feet was particularly awful. Alex Smith-esque.

He reminded me a lot of Alex Smith, actually. Arm strength is what smith’s was before that should injury.

I think you can win games with him in the regular season but don’t see someone who would really threaten an elite team in the playoffs.

Chiefspants 09-22-2019 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14471150)
I wasn’t really impressed. His accuracy is solid when throwing over the middle with his feet set, or when throwing short while rolling to his right.

The deep balls were scattershot.

The 4th down throw into his receivers feet was particularly awful. Alex Smith-esque.

He reminded me a lot of Alex Smith, actually. Arm strength is what smith’s was before that should injury.

I think you can win games with him in the regular season but don’t see someone who would really threaten an elite team in the playoffs.

Once Alex stopped running the ball teams were able to just cue in on him in high leverage spots. It was excruciating to watch (looking at you, 2nd half of the Titans playoff game).

Hammock Parties 09-22-2019 06:42 PM

i mean the guy didn't throw a TD

this isn't a discussion

rabblerouser 09-22-2019 06:45 PM

He can throw really well...FOR A RUNNING BACK.

notorious 09-22-2019 06:49 PM

Why did the Ravens keep direct snapping to their running back?

It was odd to say the least.


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