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Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 06:32 PM

Andy Reid isnt the coach we need.
 
CP loves to treat the symptom while at times ignoring the disease.

Since everyone wants to be cool and bash the lame ass QB we have, we might want to look just a little deeper and discuss the HC that hand selected him to be the QB of this team.


We aren't going anywhere with Reid's preparations and game plans. His play calling is pathetic and predictable. His tendency's to remove the WRs from the game plan is inexcusable.


Until we get rid of Reid, we are stuck with Smith...

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2014 06:34 PM

Andy Reid's record with Jim Johnson as defensive coordinator: 97-62-1 (.606) in the regular season, 10-7 in the playoffs (.588).

Without Johnson, Reid is 51-42 (.548) and 0-3 in the playoffs.

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11175575)
Andy Reid's record with Jim Johnson as defensive coordinator: 97-62-1 (.606) in the regular season, 10-7 in the playoffs (.588).

Without Johnson, Reid is 51-42 (.548) and 0-3 in the playoffs.

:eek:

bevischief 12-07-2014 06:36 PM

pooptaco.

Big Poppa Payne 12-07-2014 06:37 PM

He's sorry

Beef Supreme 12-07-2014 06:38 PM

...but he's the coach we deserve.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 06:40 PM

It was the Oakland game that finally drove the nail in the coffin for Reerun...

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with the lack of talent on this roster. But when he had 10 days to prepare for Denver and came out and turned Arrowhead into Brokeback Arrowhead, it was time to start saying something about it here.

Its easy to blast Smith, you learn to blame the QB in CP 101 for everything...

But its time that Reid is held accountable.

JohnnyHammersticks 12-07-2014 06:41 PM

It's shocking, to me, that a morbidly obese fat ass doesn't field a more disciplined football team.

bevischief 12-07-2014 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 11175612)

:banghead::BLVD:

MichaelH 12-07-2014 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Poppa Payne (Post 11175604)
He's sorry

The local BBQ joints are happy.

chokeartist 12-07-2014 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 11175656)
It's shocking, to me, that a morbidly obese fat ass doesn't field a more disciplined football team.

I was waiting for this ROFL

RealSNR 12-07-2014 06:45 PM

Not that we have a chance at bringing him aboard, but once Rex gets fired from NY, he would be perfect to work with Reid.

But Reid will be loyal to a fault and **** it up. Won't even bother picking up the phone.

Three7s 12-07-2014 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11175632)
It was the Oakland game that finally drove the nail in the coffin for Reerun...

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with the lack of talent on this roster. But when he had 10 days to prepare for Denver and came out and turned Arrowhead into Brokeback Arrowhead, it was time to start saying something about it here.

Its easy to blast Smith, you learn to blame the QB in CP 101 for everything...

But its time that Reid is held accountable.

I'm sure Reid will apologize for something tomorrow, and the next week, and the week after that as the losses keep mounting.

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2014 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11175691)
Not that we have a chance at bringing him aboard, but once Rex gets fired from NY, he would be perfect to work with Reid.

But Reid will be loyal to a fault and **** it up. Won't even bother picking up the phone.

Again. If Berry is out for cancer, DJ isn't effective after his achilles tear, Poe is worn out, Hali is waived and Houston is seeking a big pay day then why do you stay with the 3-4?

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 06:47 PM

What I am afraid of is that the Hunts will be loyal to Reid like they were with Peterson and Failurehiemer.

If that's the case we are looking at a long long time before we can be a real football team again...

bevischief 12-07-2014 06:47 PM

But the turdtaco we are stuck with...

BeeHo 12-07-2014 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11175548)
CP loves to treat the symptom while at times ignoring the disease.

Since everyone wants to be cool and bash the lame ass QB we have, we might want to look just a little deeper and discuss the HC that hand selected him to be the QB of this team.


We aren't going anywhere with Reid's preparations and game plans. His play calling is pathetic and predictable. His tendency's to remove the WRs from the game plan is inexcusable.


Until we get rid of Reid, we are stuck with Smith...

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/79/796c...95a1742eed.jpg

Red Dawg 12-07-2014 06:49 PM

We are on year two of turning over damn near the whole roster. Firing Andy would make us look like idiots that expect miracles. Dorsey will have his team on the field soon and it be include some actual NFL receivers. Next year it will be close to being complete.

Three7s 12-07-2014 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11175712)
What I am afraid of is that the Hunts will be loyal to Reid like they were with Peterson and Failurehiemer.

If that's the case we are looking at a long long time before we can be a real football team again...

When was the last time the Chiefs were a real football team? Not in my lifetime.

Bowser 12-07-2014 06:50 PM

I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

kcxiv 12-07-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11175737)
We are on year two of turning over damn near the whole roster. Firing Andy would make us look like idiots that expect miracles. Dorsey will have his team on the field soon and it be include some actual NFL receivers. Next year it will be close to being complete.

They have to draft a WR. There is no way in hell any legit WR is going to sign with the Chiefs. Its career suicide. ITs almost a Sure bet that if a WR signs with KC, he will have his worst season as a WR.

NO agent is going to let his client sign with the Chiefs. Thats being a bad agent. lol

Prison Bitch 12-07-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 11175612)

+1

BeeHo 12-07-2014 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11175748)
I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

matt cassel.

Prison Bitch 12-07-2014 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11175748)
I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

This is Reid's guy though.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-07-2014 06:52 PM

Andy isn't going anywhere in the offseason. Move on...

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11175737)
We are on year two of turning over damn near the whole roster. Firing Andy would make us look like idiots that expect miracles. Dorsey will have his team on the field soon and it be include some actual NFL receivers. Next year it will be close to being complete.

As of now, the Chiefs need a replacement for Berry, will likely need one for DJ, need one for the ILB next to DJ, a replacement for Tamba Hali and possibly one for Houston.

And that's just on defense.

This team is 3-4 years away from being capable of winning a playoff game.

cdcox 12-07-2014 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11175737)
We are on year two of turning over damn near the whole roster. Firing Andy would make us look like idiots that expect miracles. Dorsey will have his team on the field soon and it be include some actual NFL receivers. Next year it will be close to being complete.

Do you believe in sideways passing?

Gonzo 12-07-2014 06:55 PM

10 carries? After a start like that? WTF?

bevischief 12-07-2014 06:57 PM

It will be a :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: rest of the season and then some...

TambaBerry 12-07-2014 07:00 PM

Over a year since a wr caught a touchdown. Absolutely inexcusable.

milkman 12-07-2014 07:05 PM

Reerun, you area ****ing idiot.

Some of us told you when he was hired that this is what Reid is.

Others have placed more than the fair share of blame on Reid over the course of the his nearly 2 seasons.

Don't act like you're here with some kind of newsflash.

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 07:05 PM

Think of the family who owns the team then rethink your comments. When it gets bad enough (when it looks like the easy money might be affected) the family will make a move. Until then, this is a spoiled little rich kid's play-toy that pays him millions upon millions of spending money and a nationwide name for the family even if they tank.

Expect Andy's replacement to be another re-tread Andy who has some past name recognition.

cdcox 12-07-2014 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 11175786)
10 carries? After a start like that? WTF?

Charles was not very effective running the ball today aside from the long TD run. His other 9 carries netted a total of 28 yards.

His last 6 carries were for:

1, 3, 2, 2, 1 and 0 yards.

Teams are putting all their players in the box and we have no answer. It is exactly the pattern that happened when Herm was running the offense and LJ became less and less effective. You have to have a downfield component of your passing game to keep defenses honest.

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 07:08 PM

And I'll add that when Hunt/Dorsey/Reid lost what they lost last year and brought-in nothing effective to replace those gaps, we all knew we were looking at a crisis being managed by a group of goons.

milkman 12-07-2014 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11175861)
Charles was not very effective running the ball today aside from the long TD run. His other 9 carries netted a total of 28 yards.

His last 6 carries were for:

1, 3, 2, 2, 1 and 0 yards.

Teams are putting all their players in the box and we have no answer. It is exactly the pattern that happened when Herm was running the offense and LJ became less and less effective. You have to have a downfield component of your passing game to keep defenses honest.

Alex Smith has attempted 15 passes of 20 yards or more this season.

What's the problem?

Molitoth 12-07-2014 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11175846)
Reerun, you area ****ing idiot.

Some of us told you when he was hired that this is what Reid is.

Others have placed more than the fair share of blame on Reid over the course of the his nearly 2 seasons.

Don't act like you're here with some kind of newsflash.

Bam

Buzz 12-07-2014 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11175882)
Alex Smith has attempted 15 passes of 20 yards or more this season.

What's the problem?


He's not accurate over 10.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-07-2014 07:35 PM

The grace period for Reid is over.

Horrible, horrible game day coach. Truly sucks balls.

Snapplez 12-07-2014 07:42 PM

He said it the day he acquired Smith, "I'm going to make him a hall of famer like Lenny."

It's goddamn laughable

tboss27 12-07-2014 07:42 PM

I was joking around with approximately .20 left that Andy would call a screen pass. Wasn't so funny when it actually happended a couple seconds later.

penbrook 12-07-2014 07:43 PM

Per Terez Paylor

Andy Reid on the officials: "Go on to something besides the officials, because I don't have anything good to say.”

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 11175738)
When was the last time the Chiefs were a real football team? Not in my lifetime.

Yeah poor choice of words. Sorry...

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11175748)
I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

Over his hand picked QB? Reid is tied to Smith. Smith fails = Reid failed as a HC...

Jerm 12-07-2014 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11176073)
Per Terez Paylor

Andy Reid on the officials: "Go on to something besides the officials, because I don't have anything good to say.”

That's the thing though...he never has anything to say. He should've been going apeshit on the field and then after the game too.

Mr. Laz 12-07-2014 07:44 PM

When we hired i said he was a good rebuild guy but that we needed to have someone ready to replace him in 5 years.

Dorsey keeps sucking and we might have to make it 4 years.

penbrook 12-07-2014 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11176083)
That's the thing though...he never has anything to say. He should've been going apeshit on the field and then after the game too.

He needs to act like Jim Harbaugh. I hear he's available

Easy 6 12-07-2014 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11176073)
Per Terez Paylor

Andy Reid on the officials: "Go on to something besides the officials, because I don't have anything good to say.”

Yes, the refs sucked dong, Andy.

But the fact is your team sucked it harder, Smith isnt really doing what you envisioned him doing, is he?

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11175846)
Reerun, you area ****ing idiot.

Some of us told you when he was hired that this is what Reid is.

Others have placed more than the fair share of blame on Reid over the course of the his nearly 2 seasons.

Don't act like you're here with some kind of newsflash.

I see the rest home got the wifi fixed... howdy Gpa....

ChiefsChoke010414 12-07-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11175861)
Charles was not very effective running the ball today aside from the long TD run. His other 9 carries netted a total of 28 yards.

His last 6 carries were for:

1, 3, 2, 2, 1 and 0 yards.

Teams are putting all their players in the box and we have no answer. It is exactly the pattern that happened when Herm was running the offense and LJ became less and less effective. You have to have a downfield component of your passing game to keep defenses honest.

But Charles has never had a good passing game nor a good offensive line. Yet, he's the all time leader in YPC. Haven't teams stacked the box against him before? I would imagine they've done it his whole career.

They need to keep feeding him the rock, because he's the only big play threat we have.

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11176084)
When we hired i said he was a good rebuild guy but that we needed to have someone ready to replace him in 5 years.

Dorsey keeps sucking and we might have to make it 4 years.

Well two years down, so there are only 2-3 years left...

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-07-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 11176065)
He said it the day he acquired Smith, "I'm going to make him a hall of famer like Lenny."

It's goddamn laughable

Ah yes, THAT little gem. That moment solidified my hate, made me powerful.

ChiefsChoke010414 12-07-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11176091)
He needs to act like Jim Harbaugh. I hear he's available

Hard to imagine why he's available. He's already won more playoff games for the 49'ers than the Chiefs have won in the last 30 years.

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11176083)
That's the thing though...he never has anything to say. He should've been going apeshit on the field and then after the game too.

This x90000000000. He's exactly what the league wants and this city can't afford. 1969 could turn into 2169 before we hire a coach willing to play every aspect of the game.

God I'd love to have a Pete Carroll. He often rubs me the wrong way, but that's prolly because he's not on our sideline.

And I'll always blame the Hunts for allowing this team to show the fans so little care and concern.

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11176092)
Yes, the refs sucked dong, Andy.

But the fact is your team sucked it harder, Smith isnt really doing what you envisioned him doing, is he?

Not defending Andy, but I'm sure he never thought an O-line could be this bad. That's how he's dumb, he, Hunt, and Dorsey let this happen.

And if their plan is to wait-out Pm because he's the NFL's darling, then it's time to admit it.

We're getting close to banner time because even if we end up, somehow, with a winning record, this group ain't ever gonna do shit.

In58men 12-07-2014 07:57 PM

I saw this from the very beginning when he quickly went after Alex Smith. He jumped the gun on that.

tk13 12-07-2014 07:59 PM

Overreaction city here. Everybody makes fun of Harbaugh for being a jerk and it appears the Niners are burned out on him. That Tony Pena crap doesn't work. Same reason everyone always wants one of the Ryans for some strange reason. They get excited by a big loudmouth, like it actually makes a difference. Bill Belichick has the personality of a brick and he has no problem winning.

Jerm 12-07-2014 07:59 PM

Well I think it's pretty clear that a combo of Reid/Smith isn't winning shit so it'll be interesting to see if Dorsey has the balls to do anything about it.

KCwolf 12-07-2014 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11176147)
I saw this from the very beginning when he quickly went after Alex Smith. He jumped the gun on that.

you are like a savant

tk13 12-07-2014 08:01 PM

I actually think the Reid tenure will probably end badly here, just because the guy hasn't changed in 15 years, and people still can't pick up on it. His teams will generally overachieve, but commit a ton of time management errors and blow a few games here and there they shouldn't. He's going to throw tons of short passes and not call enough running plays, etc, etc. He's never going to change.

But considering he took over a 2-14 team that was completely at rock bottom, he's done better than I thought he would. The disaster that was Pioli's last year is almost forgotten at this point.

Easy 6 12-07-2014 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11176154)
Overreaction city here. Everybody makes fun of Harbaugh for being a jerk and it appears the Niners are burned out on him. That Tony Pena crap doesn't work. Same reason everyone always wants one of the Ryans for some strange reason. They get excited by a big loudmouth, like it actually makes a difference. Bill Belichick has the personality of a brick and he has no problem winning.

Overreaction on this game?

Horseshit... the more important the game, the worse we look... and Smith is still batting like, .120 when playing from behind. Piss on the kneejerk charge.

007 12-07-2014 08:05 PM

Clark Hunt. Heh

Pablo 12-07-2014 08:07 PM

I'm positive the only clock Andy can manage is the timer on his stove.

Reid has married himself to Smith. That's his guy. He got to go to the store, he's cooked up this shit stew. Whatever they are trying to accomplish right now is just destined to fail.

tk13 12-07-2014 08:09 PM

I meant the Harbaugh thing. I'm not looking forward to an offseason of BS with people getting excited about Rex Ryan. I think today's loss was terrible, but yeah I don't get too high or too low about individual games. On the road against the team with the best record in the league, we were competitive. The season isn't over quite yet. This wasn't as bad as the Raiders loss. That was 100 times more frustrating than this, at least to me.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-07-2014 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11176185)
Clark Hunt. Heh

Yeah, someone PLEASE tell me again how "the decisions made by the last regime have no bearing on the outcomes of the present regime" and **** YO' MAMA:


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8jMTdphjLAA/maxresdefault.jpg

Reerun_KC 12-07-2014 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11176194)
I'm positive the only clock Andy can manage is the timer on his stove.

Reid has married himself to Smith. That's his guy. He got to go to the store, he's cooked up this shit stew. Whatever they are trying to accomplish right now is just destined to fail.

This...

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-07-2014 08:14 PM

When a coach, ANY coach, makes you long for Schottenhiemer....oh ****.

Valiant 12-07-2014 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11175770)
As of now, the Chiefs need a replacement for Berry, will likely need one for DJ, need one for the ILB next to DJ, a replacement for Tamba Hali and possibly one for Houston.

And that's just on defense.

This team is 3-4 years away from being capable of winning a playoff game.

And by then a replacement for Smith, Charles and sadly Bowe...

If we are going to lose, let Charles get 15-22 touches a game.. Oh wait, we would have won most of our losses if they did that..

Rain Man 12-07-2014 09:29 PM

That last attempt at a drive was a sheer abomination, one of the worst things I've seen in 40 years of Chiefs football. Even if all those one-yard passes were successful, it would've taken a nine-minute drive to score. And they weren't even successful.

But it's so hard to diagnose the problem. Is it ....

...an acknowledgement that the line is so bad that a 15-yard pass is impossible to pull off?

...Alex Smith being so conservative that he is incapable of looking downfield?

...Andy Reid having a system that simply doesn't include passing more than 5 yards downfield?

I could add a fourth theory about having bad wide receivers, but on that last drive the receivers were never even considered. So that can't be the actual problem.

I know it'll be fun to say, "All of the above", but seriously, one of the above has to be driving the problem. Which is it?

ROYC75 12-07-2014 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11175737)
We are on year two of turning over damn near the whole roster. Firing Andy would make us look like idiots that expect miracles. Dorsey will have his team on the field soon and it be include some actual NFL receivers. Next year it will be close to being complete.

Maybe 2 years, we have too many holes and question marks!

notorious 12-07-2014 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11176194)
I'm positive the only clock Andy can manage is the timer on his stove.

.

ROFL

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 11176157)
you are like a savant

I'd love to titty **** your avatar!

GloryDayz 12-07-2014 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11176185)
Clark Hunt. Heh

That name should be replaced wit this:

Raiduhs

stevieray 12-07-2014 09:50 PM

I've never liked HC's who call plays.

arrogant as hell.

NJChiefsFan 12-07-2014 10:00 PM

It's ironic that 2 major plays were us giving up on 3rd and 16 and trying to set up a field goal and instead throw a pick. That is followed by ARI scoring a TD on a 3rd and 18 where they were actually trying to score a TD. Horrible safety play on that score by the way. Who the hell bites on a 10 yard hook route on 3rd and long with a WR running past you.

I know in certain situations it's smart to just take some yards and punt or kick the FG, but we do it a majority of the time, even on a 3rd and 8 or so. You can't expect to win big games that way.

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2014 10:01 PM

So what happens if Oakland lands Harbaugh as HC?

Will the Chiefs ever finish in the top half of the AFCW?

Sure-Oz 12-07-2014 10:12 PM

I think Reid is a good coach....lacking talent on this team esp offensively

FloridaMan88 12-07-2014 10:29 PM

Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11176877)
Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

Don't look at how the 2013 Seahawks were constructed...

Dave Lane 12-07-2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11175748)
I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

Or has to have 2 definitions of open. NFL open and Alex Smith open.

FloridaMan88 12-07-2014 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11176880)
Don't look at how the 2013 Seahawks were constructed...

Seattle's WR's caught 17 TD passes last year.

The Chiefs WR's have zero through 13 games.


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