Chiefs draft rumor & plans for virtual draft
Saw some news today I thought I’d share.
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Yep, protect the Mahomes investment
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What exactly does weapons mean? I hope runningback. We have our entire WR core locked up for next year, so any WR we draft would likely be no better than #4 or #5 on the depth chart. Not exactly a pressing need at the moment considering our other needs.
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I've been running mocks moving out of the first and and picking up extra picks. I'm always happy with what I end up with.
I predict that's what Veach ends up doing. Seems like there's a LOT of real talent in the second, third and depending on position even into the fourth rounds |
Our front office appears to not be scared of the challenges his years draft will present. You’d think we’d be one of the loudest voices against it considering our late start as well.
If they knock this draft out of the park, it would be a huge factor in our potential dynasty. |
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they won't be in separate rooms, but it's a cute story. they just don't want the social distancing police to be up in arms.
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Well, a Cam Akers in the third or a McFarland in the 4th would be nice pieces. bolstering the offensive line is a necessity. And a Lynn Bowden in the the fourth would be a fun swiss army knife for Reid to play with; a former #1 WR who played QB last season for Kentucky due to injury issues at the position and actually did well as a dual threat QB. WR screens that are actually laterals and then bombs downfield, that could be a lot of fun. |
More Fatties!!!
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One in the draft, one in FA. Gotta fix that interior. |
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I’ve been sharing the news that I’ve seen for over a month about this draft. It’s a damn good draft that’s has quality depth from pick 25 to roughly 115.
There’s going to be starting caliber players in rd 3 to early rd 4, which is why I want Veach to try to accumulate 2 more picks in that area. And yeah I think “weapons” for Veach means another starting caliber RB and developmental receiver. It’s no secret that we struggled at RB last year. Damien Williams was hurt and Shady fumbled while Darwin doesn’t look like a starter. Get an extra pick or two and get one of these RB’s. |
I’d be fine with trading back. Given we only have 5 picks, it seems like the smart route to go.
If we could somehow get a first for Jones and trade both first rounders, then we could have like 8-9 picks instead of 5. Have to get a first or a good package of picks for Jones though. Otherwise, just sign him. |
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I fully support moving out of the first, but it's crazy to think that if we do Veach will have never had a 1st round pick at his disposal through his first 3 years on the job.
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I can’t wait to see how the Chiefs address the draft. We’re set up to take Best Available Player, instead of reaching on a player. Veach is the man.
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If a top notch receiver, tight end, safety, rb or pass rusher is available they should take them there too. Kelce is getting older Chris jones future with the team is uncertain Tanoh is in a contract year Speaks sucks ass Sammy and Robinson likely gone next year Mathieu has two contract years left This team is setup so that whatever player they deem the best value they can snag. Any position would be able to contribute year one. |
Aside from QB, BPA wouldn’t be bad at all.
WR-losing Sammy and Robinson after 2020 RB-Another weapon, Damien won’t be here more than 2 years OT-can cut Fisher if we draft one, save $$ G-definitely could use a dominant LG C-same ^^^ TE-Another weapon and Kelce is 30. Wouldn’t have to pay new TE until Kelce is 35. DE-Tanoh is in contract year, Okafor can’t be kept at 2021 price and Ogbah is gone. Pass rush is key DT-Another interior rusher next to Jones? Hell yeah. We don’t have a good interior rusher there outside of him (Speaks is unproven). Could also go entire contract before having to pay drafted player. LB-obvious need CB-obvious need S-imagine a first rd safety would be able to play all over. No problem with that I don’t like some of those positions for rd 1, but honestly it really wouldn’t bother me too much. What may not be a need now could be a need in 2 or 3 years and help benefit us cap wise. |
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It's not like you didn't get value. |
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We moved out of the first and took Chris Jones. We still managed to grab Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill later. We also grabbed Parker Ehinger who we flipped for Ward. |
The New Orleans Saints have planned to hold their war room at a brewery. Has Boulevard has approached the Chiefs?
That said, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us trading out of the 1st, but at #32 I wonder what we could pick up. I doubt it would be much more than a mid to late 2nd. |
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A drafted WR is only #4 or 5 until someone gets hurt. All of a sudden that player becomes a guy getting a lot of snaps. This is a team that routinely uses 3 WR or more sets. This offense essentially has 3 STARTING WR's. So your #4 guy is just an injury away from being a starter. And since this offense is, scratch that, TEAM, is centered around Pat Mahomes and our passing game, it's crucial that the unit stays strong even through injuries. You simply CANNOT go wrong drafting WR's for Mahomes no matter how many good ones you think you've got. |
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I.e it was nice having the "luxury" of Dee Ford when Tamba Hali fell off. It was nice having the "luxury" of Watkins when Tyreek went down. |
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Linebacker has been a weakness for a while and while he wasn't exactly a playmaker, losing Ragland just makes the position worse. We still don't have a single linebacker on the roster who can adequately cover a runningback or tight end. So yeah, I still think certain positions like WR are a luxury unless someone can come up with an explanation as to how the team will address cornerback and linebacker if they don't come out of the draft with each position addressed within the first 3-4 rounds. |
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And Fenton looked pretty damn good for a rookie. He'll be a better player for us than Fuller ever was. Look, if CB is the right guy where we pick, then great take him. No one is saying not to. But reaching for a player just because it's a "need" is how you build bad football teams. We've seen that time and time again. And again, it's not a luxury, but an insurance policy. One that we WILL eventually need. if they do take a WR early, and he blossoms, and Watkins leaves next season, you're going to be damn glad the Chiefs invested in a "luxury". You take the BPA every time because the benefits far, far outweigh the negatives. It's much better to have a good player that you don't "need" than to have a bad player that you can't use. |
I've expected them to trade down from #32 since they won the Superbowl.
There's WAY too much perimeter talent for the Chiefs to pass up and I'd love to see them grab a RB and WR within the first three rounds. Regardless of their defensive holes, it's not a player or two away from being dominating unit, whereas adding a stellar rookie WR and RB might be enough to push this offense into the Greatest Of All Time conversation. |
I dont expect them to trade down. Havent had a 1st round pick in years now, given the cap situation that extra years valuable.
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Also, not having a first round pick didn't hurt their Super Bowl run and if not for the offsides penalty in 2018, we'd probably be looking at a Chiefs team that won Back-To-Back titles. Personally, I'd rather have two 2's and two 3's in this draft than a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. |
The Chiefs are in a great spot to repeat as champions. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Veach moved up and CP loses its mind.
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Andy at the hotel room: "Press 1 to make a draft selection. Press 0 to order room service".
The pressure will be real. |
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With only 5 picks, the Chiefs don't have the luxury to draft for "depth". They need their first 3 picks (and hopefully 4th) to contribute almost immediately and it would be an absolute waste of critical resources to spend anything other than their 5th on depth. |
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I mean, I agree we shouldn't overdraft a CB, guard or LB. I just find it hard to believe that if we trade down and acquire an additional pick in the 3rd that we can't find a way to make BPA match up with at least 2 of of those positions. And I guess I'm back to bitching about the lack of draft picks at cornerback yet again, and last year I was proven wrong about the positional group then. But at least we had bodies then. We don't even have enough warm bodies to throw at the position to field a defense right now. Rashad Fenton is the only corner we've drafted in the last 3 years, and luckily he's worked out well so far. Can you imagine ignoring the position for a 4th year in a row? Ward is also a RFA after next year as well and could be in line for a bigger contract next offseason if he finally puts it all together. Either way, I'm fairly confident Veach will in fact draft a corner in the first 3 rounds. And I'm hoping a linebacker is in the mix as well, because that's another position we've largely ignored in the draft. It's not exactly surprising that we have positional weaknesses at CB, LB, and OL when the only player we've taken at any of those positions in the last 3 years has been Dorian O'Daniel, and he's a complete bust. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One position that some believe would be worth even more investment on offense for the Chiefs would be running back. A pairing that seems to make sense is Ohio State’s J.K. Dobbins if he’s available at pick 32. He’s a player they’ve FaceTimed with. One of the draft’s top backs.</p>— Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1246170338922242048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The last part of the tweet will enrage AP's drooling mindless followers |
The Chiefs FO is excellent at breaking down film. Given the current circumstances, that’s just about all that’s been allowed. I think we’ll do well.
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Swift, Dobbins or Akers would just crush in this offense. |
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YES! The NFL front offices finally get to experience the frustration of an online draft like I do in fantasy football every season. :thumb:
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Hopefully we draft a MLB with our first pick. We've not had a borderline elite - elite LB since 2015 DJ. Hell in the last 20+ years besides DJ who have we had at LB that you would consider great?
Getting an awesome LB would be awesome lol. I loved Derrick Johnson and would love to have someone with just 95% of his talent. |
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Andy Reid has a long, long 20 year track record of drafting RBs in the middle rounds of the draft and turning them into stars. If they feel there's a crazy talented one left at 32 I could see them going for it though. I can see Veach doing what the Colts used to do with Manning... they had a top 5 offense almost every year and they were never afraid to go offense. Reggie Wayne, Addai, Dallas Clark. Just keep adding pieces.
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We will have plenty of cap space next year so if we draft well in this draft, I can see a dynasty for years and years to come. I truly believe that Mahomes with Veach as GM putting the pieces around him can win at least 5 Super Bowls.
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I trust Andy and Veach
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To me, it’s all about the value. Don’t reach on someone just to fill a position of anticipated need.
This is an incredibly deep draft for WR, especially. You can get a player who would have been the top wideout in his class, potentially, with your first pick. That’s something they have to consider. Yes, it is a luxury for 2020, but it gives them so much more flexibility for 2021 if they have another dynamic threat at WR to pair with Hill and Kelce (who will become less dynamic over time). RB thought kind of works the same way. CB is important in the NFL, but in this scheme it seems like DL and S are more important. |
FYI
ESPN2 is running all of the Peyton's Places episodes today. |
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Exactly - and available cap space means that contract expire and those guys will need to be replaced. I mean look at all the one year contract we have handed out. But guys like Watkins and D Rob will need to be replaced.
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I don't care how many weapons Mahomes has around him IF you can't keep him upright it doesn't matter. Mahomes makes everyone better around him and if it means taking slightly less talent at WR and RB in order to keep a steely wall in front of him I'm all for it.:thumb: |
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The only way to truly prevent QB hits is to get the ball out of his hands. Having weapons at TE, slot WR, and RB accomplish that. |
Look at the teams that have spent big money in linemen. They honestly don’t perform all that well in the playoffs because the playoffs accentuate big plays.
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While Reid definitely hit on a few guys throughout the years, his "Hit Rate" is clearly not exceptional: 2000-6 Thomas Hamner 2001-4 Correll Buckhalter 2002-2 Brian Westbrook 2004-7 Bruce Perry 2005-3 Ryan Moats 2007-3 Tony Hunt 2009-2 LeSean McCoy 2010-6 Charles Scott 2011-5 Dion Lewis 2013-3 Knile Davis 2014-4 D'Anthony Thomas 2017-3 Kareem Hunt 2019-6 Darwin Thompson Westbrook, McCoy and Hunt (before the incident) are his best selections by a long shot. But during that time, the Chiefs hit on Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles, two players that were clearly in the upper echelon of NFL running backs despite spending the majority of their careers on very bad football teams. This isn't an indictment of Reid but does prove that he's always searching for quality running backs, even if he has a better-than-average starter. Again, this isn't an indictment of Reid but he's not a "RB Guru" of any sorts. |
I believe it's a combination of BPA and need. I'd be hard pressed to give a lot of praise to drafting a RB or WR in the 1st if there's a good LB or CB available. I think either of those positions can be filled in a later round, plus a defensive player would probably game ready sooner than a skill player in our offense. I'd even take a real OT (not a G that can play OT) before a RB. Fisher and Mitch aren't getting any younger.
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For example, a great GM won't choose the 10th best offensive lineman when the #4 WR or #2 RB in this class are available when the Chiefs make their selection. You want to see better protection for Mahomes? Get him another highly skilled RB and WR in this draft. |
Chiefs need 4.75 mil for draft picks. Currently they have around 3.7 mil and that doesnt include Seals, Sherman or Drob
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Any player added to the roster at Vet Minimum or less won't carry a cap charge because the Top 51 already count fully towards the cap until the start of the regular season. |
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Personally, I think round 3 is the sweet spot for a guard or center... that’s all I ask If Veach wants to go offense in round one with someone like Brandon Aiyuk, to prepare for Watkins inevitable departure next season... I’d be all about it, but one lineman in the top 3 surely isn’t asking too much |
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The teams that draft at the end of the rounds that draft well, draft the best players and fit things around them. Draft and development is what we are all about now in KC. |
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No one, or very few, are suggesting reaching for a position group. This draft is so much deeper at WR and RB than LB, IOL and CB. Get value, don't reach but definitely don't punt on drafting IOL at some point this draft. |
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I posted Reid's RB draft history earlier in this thread which shows that Reid routinely took running backs in the third round and a few in the second. With Damien Williams injury history and the other maybe *average* RB on the roster, I'd say it's a good bet they'll take a RB in the first three rounds. |
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The Chiefs just won the Super Bowl with a rotating offensive line from Left Tackle to Right Guard, yet so many of you people think the Chiefs need to spend high draft capital on a center or guard. That's just dumb. |
Shoot, it says right there in the last sentence of the first quote in the OP that many sources around the NFL expect the Chiefs to draft a RB who is of starter quality.
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