Kelce, Berry Named to 2010s All-Decade Team by Pro Football HoF
EDIT: Tyreek and Mathieu were also named. I clicked too soon.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...nine-patriots/ Here are the 53 selections to the 2010s All-Decade Team: Offense WR – Antonio Brown, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones TE – Rob Gronkowski, Travis Kelce T – Jason Peters, Tyron Smith, Joe Staley, Joe Thomas G – Jahri Evans, Logan Mankins, Zack Martin, Marshal Yanda C – Alex Mack, Maurkice Pouncey QB – Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers RB – Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch, LeSean McCoy, Adrian Peterson Flex – Darren Sproles Defense DE – Calais Campbell, Cameron Jordan, Julius Peppers, J.J. Watt DT – Geno Atkins, Fletcher Cox, Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh LB – Chandler Jones, Luke Kuechly, Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Bobby Wagner, Patrick Willis CB – Patrick Peterson, Darrelle Revis, Richard Sherman S – Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Eric Weddle DB – Chris Harris, Tyrann Mathieu Special Teams P – Johnny Hekker, Shane Lechler K – Stephen Gostkowski, Justin Tucker PR – Tyreek Hill, Darren Sproles KR – Devin Hester, Cordarrelle Patterson Coaches Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll |
I could argue Mitchell Schwartz over Joe Staley.
Excuse me, Super Bowl Champion Mitchell Schwartz. It’s also crazy to think that the Browns once had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Mitchell Schwartz starting on their OL. |
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No Jamaal Charles?
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How the hell does Alex Mack make it but not Jason Kelce
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**** HoboSpirit with a bridge abutment.
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Mahomes got ****ing ROBBED
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The one that stood out to me was Patrick Willis. I get that we've all forgotten how absurdly good he was. For my money, he makes Kuechly look like a hobo - Willis was a monster. But he played half the decade, lads. You can't have a dude on the all decade team who's last real season was 2013. |
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Tyreek and Honey Badger also made it!! KC represented real good
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i gotta be honest, berry belongs nowhere near this list
he had 3 very good seasons, and one pretty good season....and the rest was not much to write home about |
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As it has already been pointed out, but Mitchell Schwartz is grossly underrated. Also, Pete Carroll over Andy Reid or John Harbaugh? Don't get me wrong, Pete is a damn good coach, but Andy has done more with a lot less. Look at those offenses he had from 2013 - 2015 and the defenses he had in 2017 - 2018...
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Berry was first team all pro three times. Chancellor only made second team twice. If I’m building a team, yeah I might take Chancellor. Based on pure accolades in the decade, I probably choose Berry. |
Those running backs suck
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I think I would take Reid over Carrol for coaches, but I might be a homer.
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Pete is 100-60 in the regular season to Reid's 99-61; virtually a wash so you go to playoff performance. Carrol is 10-7 w/ 2 conference championships and a SB in 8 playoff seasons while Reid is 5-6 w/ 1 conference championship and a SB in 7 playoff appearances. The Seahawks were in slightly better shape than the Chiefs when Carrol got there, but they weren't a safe bet by any means. I think Reid's a safer bet going forward and the guy I'd rather have right this very minute, but a rearview mirror analysis of the last decade says that Carrol has a slightly stronger case. Reid comes in a safe 3rd, IMO, especially with Sean Payton's SB coming in the 2009 season (and his suspension being in this one). Harbaugh maybe in the running but apart from that 2012 run he's really done very little. The Ravens haven't won a playoff game since 2014 so that's gotta hold him back. There really isn't much of a conversation after 3rd, IMO. |
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When the AFL merged with the NFL that was it. When the All Time AFL team was announced the Chiefs Fred Arbansas was the TE. If we never played another football season Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez would be the All Time TE.
Point...Chiefs have had some TE's |
Berry? Like Eric Berry?
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Everyone forgetting about Chiefs legend Darrelle Revis.
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I'm actually kind of shocked that Kelce wasn't a unanimous vote.
I get that Gronk is going to be the #1 choice for 100 out of 100 voters, but Kelce's only competition was Greg Olsen who peaked just a hair earlier (and came into the league waaayyy earlier). Kelce's peak was higher, it lasted longer, he's more explosive, Super Bowl champion, etc. Olsen only had four seasons with over 1,000 yards this decade and he played in every season. Kelce only played from 2014 and onward. The only thing I can say about Olsen over Kelce is that Kelce fumbles a lot more, but I'd say it's a fair trade-off for the extra yards, TDs and consistency. |
McCoy over Charles?
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I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs. .. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore. |
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Charles got ****ed on this list.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.c...reTool#results Out of 48 qualified rushers, Frank Gore was #4 in rushing yards. Very nice, very cool. Except he was #1 in carries, good for #37 in YPC. Ouch. Frank Gore scored a TD every 45th touch on average. Jamaal Charles scored a TD every 25th touch. Jamaal Charles>>>>>>>Frank Gore |
Berry? He should be on the all injured team and over paid team. Did he even play 5 of the 10?
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I looked. 5 exactly with out missing a whole bunch of games.
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Berry should not be higher than 3rd string.
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Elite level OL and running game. Atrocious defense. Draft all defense. Miss on pretty much every pick. Let the offense get old and expensive. Then proceed to ignore QB once your decent QB gets his head spiked by Cincy. Talk about doing everything wrong. |
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Just had to hand it off...... |
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Was Charles better at his apex? Absolutely. But did Charles do more for his teams in his 90 games and 1100 carries than Frank Gore did for his over 150 games and 2400 carries? Pretty tough to make that argument, isn't it? Yeah, Charles was a better player, but I don't think that's how you name guys to teams like this. You do that based on total productivity over the defined time period. Half the battle is showing up and ultimately, Gore showed up. In a game of attrition like football, that's a wildly underrated part of it (and why I don't think Charles is a HoFer or that Davis deserved any meaningful consideration either). Over the course of the decade, Gore simply did more than Charles did. |
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In either case, I understand that most wouldn't agree given Charles lack of longevity and volume, but what's the argument for Gore over Matt Forte? |
These lists are shit anyway. They really need to figure out the 3-4/4-3 DE and OLB designations. Also, what the **** is the "DB" designation? Flex is dumb as hell, too.
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My problem with that is you have players like Tyreek Hill or Antonio Brown that could be useful in a lot of ways. However, they’re used primarily as WRs, because they’re too valuable to lose to an injury. No need to take the risk having Tyreek return kick offs for instance. |
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So with Forte you get a combination of Gore's low floor and Charles' relatively short duration. I would argue Gore AND Charles over Forte. At least both guys have strong arguments in a single direction. With Forte you have durability, longetivity and overall productivity. With Charles you have among the most electric and dynamic peaks in NFL history. With Forte you get none of that. Regarding the '10 games of Charles, 6 games of scrub' - the issue is that A) that's not what you tended to get (way too many times you got effectively zero games of Charles) and B) you can't know when you'll actually get those games so it's hard to build around them. Come post-season you knew you had Gore (and he was actually pretty damn good; people forget how critical he was to those Harbaugh teams that went to a SB and another NFCCG). With Charles, you oftentimes had him injured by the end of the season or, in the case of the Indy game, bounced out during it. When the Chiefs were trying to nurse him along in '14 and missed the playoffs by a game when they struggled down the stretch, well that should be considered. Or when he missed '15 and they were as good/better without him than they were with him. There's just not enough credit given to dependability here, IMO. |
Gore checks all the boxes as chiefs fan. Works hard. Not flashy. Works everyday. Mostly reeruned.
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I definitely tend to underrate dependability but I just know that if Frank Gore was my RB, I'd have been looking to replace him for basically 60% of the decade and that just doesn't sit well with me. |
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