***** Official 2019-2020 Kansas Men's Basketball Repository Thread *****
 

Welcome back, my friends.

The night is dark and full of sophomores. We were due a down year, but it's back to hunting banners.

Thread to be updated as new developments emerge.


RETURNING PLAYERS:


LEAVING PLAYERS:



INCOMING PLAYERS:



IMPORTANT GAMES:

In !

In

Berth, and we didn’t get to the S16

Surely will go better than last year. If not, let’s blame Sappo.

That does read weird. I meant just getting to a sweet 16 is a banner year, for us it was annoying that we didn't. But we should go get a Final Four instead.

Is there anyone worth a shit in the juco circuit?

If we don't win in all this year Self gotsta go!!!

You're gonna need an ISU fan to chime in on that, don't think anyone here follows that stuff.

With AZ: top 5

Without: 21-30

Ummmmmm


Like.......


It’s not looking great.

Lawson being gone is a giant chunk of the production. And azabuke hasn’t made a full season. Dotson is good. Pretty much garbage all around.

Team needs shooters. Cuz right now they ain't got none.

Oh

Say wut? :spock:

We need 2 very athletic scorers. Prefer a 2 & a 4, good shooters, then finish the roster filling in quality depth.
We gotta turn up the defense somehow!

I’m not too optimistic for next year.

2006-07 was a year for optimism with a core of sophomores. We were the reigning Big 12 regular and tourney champs. We brought everyone who mattered back. We were also bringing in 2 big time recruits (Collins and Arthur). The team was already made up of proven winners and was only getting better.

This time, we have a core of sophomores who haven’t won anything. No big time recruits are coming in (so far). We’re losing our most productive player. If Doke comes back, we can’t count on him being healthy.

3rd or 4th in the Big 12 and a 5 seed is probably an accurate expectation for 2019-2020 (unless the recruiting news significantly changes).

Do we know when the top recruits are due to declare?

How about this guy? James Reese

In 29 games this season at Odessa, Reese is averaging 16.1 points per game on 52.9 percent from the field and 45.3 percent from three-point range. He's a strong free-throw shooter at 87.9 percent from the charity stripe and grabs 2.7 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game.

Man, where did all the negative nancies cum from? We are Kansas and as such will always be good unless proved otherwise. A team of

Dotson
Grimes
Agbaji
Mitch
McCormack

Is better talent than anyone in our league and more than about all but 16 teams. With AZ in there it’s top 5-7. Everyone is looking at roster turnover - look at who Dook and KY are losing.

Matt Hurt is announcing on 4/19

Duke and UK are losing a lot, but they also both have 3 top 40 recruits signed already.

I don’t see a reason to believe we’ll be much better than last year unless something drastically changes on the recruiting front. Any increase in productivity by the returning players may well be offset by losing Lawson.

I have zero faith that Doke will stay healthy if he returns. He’s had 4 injuries in 3 seasons.

I suspect a couple of the available guys from this list might be worth at least a look? :shrug:

Rank Name Height School Position

4 Khadim Sy 6'10 Daytona State PF
10 Tajzmel Sherman 6'4 Collin County CG
11 Tyson Jolly 6'4 Trinity Valley G/F
12 Wilfried Likayi 6'9 Casper F
13 Tomas Woldetensae 6'5 Indian Hills G
17 Javon Franklin 6'7 Holmes CC PF
19 Marvin Johnson 6'6 Coffeyville SF
21 Brandon Rachal 6'6 Pearl River G
22 Keishawn Brewton 6'3 Chipola CG
23 Trey Wade 6'7 South Plains G/F
24 David Sloan 6'1 John A Logan PG
31 David Nickleberry 6'7 Trinity Valley G/F
32 James Reese 6'4 Odessa SG
33 AJ Bramah 6'7 Sheridan SF
34 James Jean-Marie 6'7 Navarro SF
37 Emmanuel Ugboh 6'11 Iowa Western C
38 Lony Francis Jr 6'7 Vincennes PF
39 Malik Curry 6'2 Palm Beach State PG
40 Raquan Wilkins 6'5 Lee College PG
41 Yeikson Montero 6'5 Pensacola State SG
42 Trey Pulliam 6'3 Navarro G
47 Galen Alexander 6'6 Jones County F
48 Luka Barisic 6'9 Highland F
49 Rich Washington 6'6 Tallahassee SF
50 Shakem Johnson 6'7 Navarro PF

51 Adrean Johnson 6'10 Odessa PF
53 Donte Tatum 6'2 Cape Fear PG
54 Jaekwon Carlyle 6'2 Grayson CG
56 Deang Deang 6'4 Highland CG
58 Kimani Binder 6'3 Indian River State SG
59 Maddox Daniels 6'6 Florida Southwestern State SG
60 Isiah Small 6'8 Seward County SF
61 Eric Lovett 6'4 Missouri West Plains SG
63 Isaac Bonton 6'3 Casper CG
65 RayQuan Evans 6'4 North Idaho G
66 Doudou Gueye 6'8 Daytona State SF/PF
68 Alfonso Plummer 6'1 Arizona Western CG
69 Alsean Evans 6'6 Polk State SF
70 Bitumba Baruti 6'6 Chipola F
71 Sebit Reath 6'10 Lee College PF
73 Keith Clemons 6'1 Vincennes CG
74 Cam Reece 6'6 Sheridan PF/C Akron
75 Demarkus Lampley 6'3 Wallace State Hanceville SG
77 Caleb Coleman 6'5 State Fair SF
78 Solomon Hunt 6'8 East Los Angeles PF
79 Kayne Henry 6'7 Northwest Florida State SF
81 Shawn Stith 6'7 Saddleback PF
83 Jalon Pipkins 6'4 Paris G
84 Gavin Kensmil 6'7 Navarro F
85 Lenell Henry 6'7 Panola PF
86 Demiere Brown 6'7 Kilgore PF
90 Tariq Simmons 6'1 Panola PG
91 Kassim Nicholson 6'6 Holmes G/F
92 Tritan Jarrett 6'4 Three Rivers SG
93 Sean Miller-Moore 6'5 Moberly Area SF
94 CJ Roberts 6'0 Broward CG
95 Jonah Antonio 6'4 South Plains SG
98 Kevin Norman 6'4 Angelina Wing
99 Torrey Patton 6'4 Indian Hills G
100 Roti Ware 6'3 East Central G

I realize that AZ is injury prone but that is still not an accurate statement. Did I just imagine that he was available for the entire 2017-2018 season?

If Hurt signs elsewhere, we know that the top shelf recruits are staying away due to the NCAA not publicly clearing KU for the whole Adidas scheme.

But we weren’t better in 18 than 17, the field just came back to us and we went to the FF. Same can happen here. Same happens every year in college hoops. None of these final four teams were heavy betting faves in Vegas. Even UVA had doubters (and they stole 3 games anyway)

UVA got some pretty serious help from the refs over their last couple of wins.

Extreme luck in the win or two before that.

as soon as the check clears.

Explain how Arizona has the #1 class then?

Guys. No reason at all for doom and gloom. As shocking as it sounds, Rusty promised me that this time it is going to be Kansas year.

And Louisville is in the top 10. Although they purged their coaching staff twice since the FBI deal came out.

Auburn is also in the top 15, and I'd assume most of those commitments were before the tournament.

Grimes declares. Sure sounds like he is staying in no matter what but who knows.

So I guess all those missed shots were because he was in the wrong system?

Please.

Good luck overseas or 'D' league.

thank god, open up some positions for somebody worthwhile. I have never seen a guy dominate high school like he did and then come in and just struggle. I mean some of his shots were so bad it was very ugly

Grimes was hot garbage. Like Selby or Bragg, he won’t be missed.

Grimes was the most disappointing player of the Self era.

Selby at least had an injury/eligibility excuse.

Alexander has an eligibility excuse (maybe he would’ve gotten better?)

Bragg wasn’t ranked as highly.

What a difference a page makes

[QUOTE=Prison Bitch;14199939]Man, where did all the negative nancies cum from? We are Kansas and as such will always be good unless proved otherwise. A team of

Dotson
Grimes
Agbaji
Mitch
McCormack

Is better talent than anyone in our league and more than about all but 16 teams. With AZ in there it’s top 5-7. Everyone is looking at roster turnover - look at who Dook and KY are losing.[/QUOTE

I don’t change my assessment at all. Garrett and Grimes are interchangeable.


Had Dotson or Agbaji left, id have been concerned.

Garrett will at least give you plus defense. You weren't getting plus anything out of the minutes Grimes was stealing.

Is Grimes hiring an agent? Surely he's just going for feedback and will come back once he finds out he won't even get drafted.

I know the NBA drafts on potential and all that, but what potential did he show this season? He can't hold Ochai's jock and that guy nearly missed this whole season.

I don't see the potential in Grimes. I really don't. I think the recruiting ranking gurus just missed on the kid. I guess he can ride the pine in the G-League and get a $30,000 a year pay check at least.

Grimes was trash...has no business declaring for the NBA. About as unprepared of a player I've seen declare in a long time.

My worry is if this is somewhat "the writing on the wall" of what's to come, as result of this NCAA investigation and some of these guys are getting out now before a hammer drops. Say what you will about Grimes, but he was a top recruit who was going to start next season so PT wouldn't have been an issue, and I think we can all agree that he's not ready for NBA at all given what we've seen this yr. But maybe he's a pussy and didn't like Self getting on his ass all the time. Players are too soft now and look for easy ways out.

This ended up being a terrible year for Bill Self all things considered. Grimes' departure will result in more scholly's opening up but this next recruiting wave to tell a lot about the future of Self's team, and whether or not he can still recruit these top guys despite the NCAA hounding up KU's ass.

Would be shocked if Grimes signs an agent. No NBA team is drafting him right now.

Guys Grimes is gone. He isn't coming back

He'll go overseas and make 150k a year. Dont know why more kids dont do this college degrees are pretty useless.

these top recruits are not going for college degrees. And Europe doesn’t make them more money than a year at a blue blood school. The raise in their draft stock is worth way more than the $150K they can make in Europe.

Jesus Titties….unless Self pulls one of his patented late signing period horse shoes out of his ass again, we are going to ****ing suck next year.

I'm sure Vick thought the same last year at this time.

Generally agree, but based on the ridiculously bad numbers he just put up in college, I don't know why anybody would pay him significant $$$ overseas either. They want production and he's not going to be able to give it to them right now.

I sure hope so.

His D came up a bit, but man what a mentally fragile offensive player.

Alexander definitely would have improved. He had a skill set made for dominating the college level.

I keep hearing this argument but then I hear that Arizona is doing fine in recruiting. So if it affected Kansas in this way then why not AZ, as well?

He had the body to dominate college ball. He had virtually no skills. He was at his best when Jamari Traylor of all people would find him in a zone.

I find it miraculous that he didn’t even have one post move. Even when defended by a smaller dude.

My guess is he'll be back unless he just really wants out of Lawrence. I just don't see any team drafting him.

I actually hope this happens. I know a lot of folks don't like Grimes but I saw a guy with talent that got better as the season progressed. A sophomore Grimes could be pretty good.

And for all the love Ogbaji gets on here, people tend to forget that he disappeared down the stretch. I like that guy but you can't ignore that factor. The only reason he gets a pass is that he wasn't projected as a one and done.

And that worked out so well.

I think he would have stayed a second year had his mom not hosed him.

I'd be curious to see if Grimes puts things together in year 2. Some kids just need to adjust to a higher level of basketball - I'm hoping he's one that adjusts and turns into the player we thought we were getting.

Good point but they aren't the same people. Vick always needed to get his head screwed on straight. He just never seemed to get there.

Its a better scenario for people to believe than Self has lost a step in recruiting?

I don’t agree with that at all. Cliff was very skilled.

:spock: What incredible skills did he display other than being ****ing enormous, ridiculously athletic, not missing wide open dunks, and passing the ball out after not scoring on smaller less talented defenders?

In his defense dunking the ball as ferociously as possible and rejecting shots into the stands are technically skills.

Is there a certain date that they have to declare whether or not they are coming back?

the woman and weather and nightlife in AZ compared to ks

There’s nightlife in Tucson?

No need to panic grasshopper, trust me HCBS will come out of this late signing period with a couple of blue chippers and a couple of roll players.

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Weather? Maybe. I'm not buying the other reasons.

Dotson put his name in for the draft

I feel empty inside.

That.

That is really bad.

****.

Dotson's tweet says he is maintaining full college eligibility and he's just getting feedback. Seems like a pretty sure thing to come back. We all knew more players were going to declare when they changed the rules.

He’s doing what every good freshmen should do. No downside at all. Keep your eligibility open to return if you don’t get the reception you thought you would. Gather some feedback on what scouts want to see from you next year, work on those skills or lack thereof, and implement those into your game the following season.

Having said that, man I hope this kid stays at KU. Next season looking rough already.

When is the deadline for players who have declared for the draft to return to school?

May 30th

I thought we'd get 3 years out of him, maybe 4. Now we are only going to get 2 seasons? The NBA needs fast dribblers to drive the lane and then feed it out to their 3 point shooters?

Every player even down to Garrett should put their name in and get feedback now

I think they’re likely to have a good backcourt as long as Dotson returns. Frontcourt is a concern. Since it’s beginning to seem like they’re going to strike out on the big names, we really need one or both of De Sousa and Azubuike back. Get them both, add a grad transfer who can shoot (or snag Hampton) and suddenly we’re looking damn good. Maybe not a likely scenario, but I think there’s at least a solid chance of De Sousa appealing successfully.

Dotson/McBride
Agbaji/Braun
Grad transfer/Garrett
De Sousa/Lightfoot
McCormack/Grad transfer

This would be a solid team. McBride is underrated. Very good scorer. Gets high on his jumper. I think his skills will translate to college quickly. This would likely be a very good defensive and rebounding crew.

Just give me an eligible De Sousa and a grad transfer wing who can shoot, and I’m ready for battle.