Yeesh - Alec Baldwin just plopped into a world of hurt
 

Breaking - details forthcoming

Discharged a 'prop' weapon that resulted in a death and another severe injury.

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...c47b69ce5.html

Yeah. You shouldn’t fire blanks at close range.

Total speculation but that’s my guess.

Damn.

I wonder if it's a Brandon Lee situation and someone loaded the wrong bullets.

eagerly await the jokes on SNL

Oh, that's no good. I wonder what happened that it killed or injured two people.

Loaded with Schweddy balls

Way to go, Alec. You're now the asshole white guy who shot up his workplace.

Baldwin has devolved into such a vile one who sucks the penis over the years that it's really hard to have even the slightest bit of sympathy for anything bad that happens to him.

Was he dressed as Trump when he did it?

Geez the director of the movie was shot and the director of photography. One dead other injured. This is the Sun so may be bs.

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainmen...er-movie-rust/

If it was blank's it was at very close range.

Is this Alec’s brother?

Maybe it wasn't a bad prop. Maybe he was just living out every actor's dream.

He'll probably use this incident to promote gun control and blame Trump. He is a complete loon. Good actor though.

Damn why do they even have blanks still, with CG so advanced? you don't even need a blank.

I honestly don't know what happened. I was careful to type Alec, but somehow not careful to check that I actually did.

I knew how it was spelled, but it appears that my fingers did not comply.

I tried editing, but titles they don't let you edit from the moment you post.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone...<a href="https://t.co/WE6QsAAXGI">https://t.co/WE6QsAAXGI</a></p>&mdash; AlecBaldwin (@AlecBaldwln____) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwln____/status/911425278123048960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wonder no longer, Alec, you self-righteous assclown.

Great find, Mr. Superturtle.

Any firearm that has a powder charge has to be treated as a real weapon, meaning you treat it as a loaded weapon and don't ****ing point it at people.

I can't imagine this is like the Crow, where Lee was killed when a bullet had accidentally lodged in a revolver barrel and was then propelled into his body when the same gun was fired at him in a scene. But in what scene would a gun be pointed at the cinematographer? Seems more likely that Baldwin was goofing off with the gun. Also, there should be a prop guy overseeing firearms on set. I wonder where he was when this happened.

He has a replay to that tweet that says “Watch this”.

Big oof.

Ouch :eek:

This will be a nice distraction from the real news that's being talked about in DC

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident



"it's cool bro, it was acting!"


acting is no excuse for manslaughter. Name any other situation where the person that fires that shot doesn't get charged with something.

I mean it literally just happened. You’d have to assume criminal charges are a very real possibility here regardless of intent.

The curse of Brandon Lee strikes again, incredibly sad

Baldwin is a caricature by now, but this isn't his fault... wow so avoidable

Dick Cheney famously shot his hunting partner. Cheney wasn't charged with anything, for good reason. And the hunting partner actually apologized to Cheney and his family for all the inconvenience Cheney had to go through.

This happened in the 80s too. Some actor killed by a blank.

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If anyone, the fault lies with whomever was responsible for gun safety on the set.

Any prop guy has a life and death duty to check each and every weapon being fired on set that day

Lets be honest... how hard is it to check the chamber and barrel for obstructions?

Isn't every individual responsible for this on their own to some degree? I can't imagine pointing a gun that I knew was unloaded at somebody. Is there somebody on set who is supposed to be running around reinforcing this common sense?

How do you hit 2 people? Wouldn’t you have to fire twice? If it’s a blank, it really shouldn’t go through 1 person. Just odd to me.

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There is usually a guy whose entire job is to keep the guns on set safe. Someone ****ed up.

I can see a rehearsal where the cinematographer tried to get a shot (no pun) from straight on, but how did the director get injured? The only way I can think of is that it wasn't a "blank" or there was a malfunction of the weapon. I admit the only blanks I've ever seen were for a starter's pistol, but I don't think the wad flew very far.

Maybe he was pointing it at the camera. Sounds like the prop gun malfunctioned and came apart and she got hit by some projectile that came out of it.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...fe-1235094931/

Yes, there are supposed to be professionals there to ensure this doesn't happen... incidents like this are pure dereliction of duty on their part

Baldwin is an arrogant asshole, but this isn't his fault

Lol

Doesn’t make any sense. Why film in New Mexico if it’s supposed to be a Kansas setting? Isn’t it harder to make it seem like a desolate piece of shit landscape with mountains in the background?

"I just pointed the gun at someone and pulled the trigger. How was I to know it would cause harm?"

That's awful, prayers extended to all families related. "You want to work here?!?!! CLOSE!"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I often get pushback when I demand completely disabled, non-firing weapons on set, but this is why. Mistakes happen, and when they involve guns, mistakes kill. No gun ever needs to fire on set. Muzzle flashes are the easiest &amp; cheapest visual effect. Why are we still doing this? <a href="https://t.co/vT9QRwyYKY">https://t.co/vT9QRwyYKY</a></p>&mdash; Megan Griffiths (@thecinechick) <a href="https://twitter.com/thecinechick/status/1451357331686633478?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure what happened here, but if you work in the industry, a reminder:<br><br>Prop guns are guns. Blanks have real gunpowder in them. They can injure or kill — and they have. If you’re ever on a set where prop guns are treated without proper caution and safe handling, walk away. <a href="https://t.co/JLHAzHLPty">https://t.co/JLHAzHLPty</a></p>&mdash; David Slack (@slack2thefuture) <a href="https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1451345664307204110?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And because these are, in many cases, real guns firing blank round with 1/2 or 1/4 load, they tend to jam and misfire. Which means you frequently wind up with an actor or prop master frantically trying to unjam the thing so you can keep shooting. Not a recipe for a safe set.</p>&mdash; David Slack (@slack2thefuture) <a href="https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1451393388633223168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That makes some sense.

I honestly haven’t seen a thing Baldwin has been in in a decade but if it was an equipment malfunction in shooting that would be ****ing horrible to live with. I mean, probably no different than a traffic accident with fatalities, but yeah. This is different than horsing around with blanks.

There was an actor in the 80s named Jon-Erik Hexum who put a gun loaded with blanks up to his temple and pulled the trigger; the wadding killed him, but that was from literally a range of zero.

It's way too early to make any judgments about this one; I absolutely expect there to be more details to come that will change things this way or that. Either way, though, I couldn't feel worse for the DP's family.

Karma is a ............

Can't wait for the full report on this one.

Or you could simply hire a competent weapons master and train the people using guns about their safe handling. If a child can be taught gun safety, Alec Baldwin should be able to figure it out. Also, maybe people who hate guns shouldn't make movies about guns.

This is great advice. The day Michael Massey shot Brandon Lee, the Crow weapons master was not present on set. A prop guy checked the gun, but didn't realize that a bullet had dislodged from an empty shell and got stuck in the barrel of a revolver after a scene showing the same revolver being loaded.

Not sure why anybody would need to "frantically" unjam a gun on set; it's not like the actors playing the bad guys are going to be shooting at people between takes. I've successfully dislodged bullets stuck in barrels, unextracted brass and dud cartridges on several occasions. It's the nature of the beast when using reloaded ammo, but even factory ammo can fail on occasion. The shit ain't rocket science, but it should be left to a person who is properly trained, and that person should not be rushed or otherwise ****ed with while he's doing it.

I had no idea they used anything besides realistic looking plastic fakes. It seems pointless to do anything other than that.

Damn...Covid strikes again.

Baldwin is an anti-gun zealot. Those people tend to be incredibly ignorant not only about guns, but about gun safety. I'll bet that when more details are known we will find out that he was violating gun-safety rules that could have prevented this death.

Bullets are for closers.

The theory that he was doing a scene that involved pointing the gun at the camera makes sense. Kinda strange to read all the tweets about how terribly dangerous these prop guns are given how much they have been used over the last century.

Tax breaks. That's usually the deciding factor as to where a movie films these days. Some states like Georgia give you a free ride of no taxes. Taking the jobs supplying the film, hotels, catering etc. workers, companies are happy for the work. The state then collect tax from the workers paychecks.

From an interview with an eyewitness to the shooting, it sounds like one shot hit both victims.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/10/2...h-both-victims

Made... In Georgia

Gun safety is not the actor's responsibility. You're exactly right that he's probably ignorant about it. That's why film crews have armorers with the specific job of preventing people from getting hurt.

I suppose my question would be why do movie sets even have live ammunition?

Yet actors constantly preach to us like they are experts on everything. In reality they are fools and Court jesters.

And in all those years no one ever mentioned that you should handle every gun as though it’s a hot gun, you arrogant asshole?

Well but, if the director tells you to point the gun at the camera and pull the trigger, are you supposed to say "no" because it's not good gun safety?

why would he point it at someone on set and fire it?

Yeah this makes no sense. It certainly doesn’t sound like it was a blank or some other malfunction of the prop breaking or something.

Wtf? Its a movie set.

Hey Alec, for this scene we need you to take this here prop gun and shoot it at the enemy over there, OK? - No, sorry. No can do. That could be a real gun with live ammunition.

That was his job?

If the ****ing thing is capable of firing, hell yes you say no.

And it’s unclear to me that that’s what happened except in the imaginations of a couple of commenters in this thread. Is that what actually happened?

I'm pretty sure all the John Wick movies would have sucked if Keanu did this.

LMAO

It's speculation. The cinematographer being killed while the director was standing behind them makes it seem pretty likely.

It sounds like there are "real" guns loaded with blanks being fired all day every day on studio sets. Gonna guess they aren't all being fired while pointing at down-range targets. Assuming Baldwin was using this gun in the filming of a scene, and not just goofing off with it on his own, it seems hard to imagine holding him responsible in any way. Also, his personal political beliefs about guns have nothing to do with his willingness to use them on set.

This reminds me of a story my dad told me when he played trumpet in his high school's orchestra. They were playing an easier arrangement of the 1812 Overture, but the director nevertheless wanted to have a cannon. He came up with a solution where the percussionist (back in the 60s when you could do this kind of thing) would fire a shotgun blank into a sandbox. Worked like a charm and provided a suitable enough effect.

Well, the shotgun had been used over the weekend and returned to the school for the Monday evening concert. Nobody bothered to check if the shotgun was empty.

So the big moment in the music happens... the student aims at the sandbox...

...and blasts a hole right through the damn stage!

I don’t know what a John Wick movie is, but Keanu’s acting is usually as far as one needs to look for a reason something sucks.

Yes, and there's now a thread in DC where that can be discussed. Keep it in there.

HEY MOTHER****ER. I resemble that remark. :D

Yeah. Unlikely if it blew apart it goes through her body with a blank round.

The John Wick movies are great, for the record. Keanu doesn't exactly have the greatest acting range, but he plays the stoic badass well.

Not interested then.

I have no respect for anybody who rants and raves about the evils of guns, except for the ones they use in movies to get paid millions of dollars OR the ones carried by their bodyguards. Or them personally.

These pricks are fine with guns in their hands or the hands of hired security. They just don't want the little people to have them.

With a heavy caveat that I can't verify that this person knows what they're talking about, here's a good description of typical protocols on a film set (from a random redditor):

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comm...re_on/hhkdpyo/

From what I've read, this film was so low budget that it probably didn't have half of those check systems.

“Rust” is a Tier 1 one movie, meaning it was being produced for under $6 million. Our source says: “They had safety meetings every day but it was a Tier I movie, so they probably didn’t have more than 1 prop person.” According to the imdb, there was one key medic on the staff and two stunt people.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/10/2...h-both-victims

Sounds like the meth house of a movie set