Chiefs defense is the laughing stock of league
 

They just spent 5min on ESPN highlighting how terrible we are....

31st against the run giving up 148yds per game
30th against the run allowing almost 5.2yds per carry

What they said was absolutely correct too; we won’t beat anyone in the playoffs in this current state.

DEJA ****ing VU fo the past decade.

6 going on 7 years in and the defense still isn't fixed....ridiculous.

Think u for this brand new information!

It's usually 1 way or the other in the NFL



You can have a good O and no D
or
You can have a good D and can't score

Unless you’re NE

It's been twenty years since they were dominant.

Nobody seems to care...:shrug:

31st in run defense!! However there is no possible way we can be 32. We allow 148.1 a game. The number 32 the Bengals allow 177 a game

Bitch bitch bitch

I think it was Dan Orlovsky today that said that we are allowing an average of 90 rushing yards per game....IN THE SECOND HALF ALONE this year.

If it holds up, it would be the worst mark in that category in the last 25 years.

Let that sink in for a second. Worst second half run defense in a quarter century.

For a franchise that supposedly spent all offseason trying to fix the defense, that is just hilariously pathetic. Like all you can do at this point is laugh. What a ****ing joke.

Over half the defensive personnel turned over.
Entire defensive coaching staff save for one dismissed.
Different scheme installed.

Nothing changes.

Looking at you Andy.....

But we're #8 in pass defense and we have the MVP and the next SB MVP.

I don’t think anyone was overly optimistic when Reid chose Steve Spagnuolo for DC. Buddy hire and Spags sucks.

We’re 8th because teams can run right down the field on us which is unbelievable shitty.

If Spagnuolo was the answer, then why was he unemployed last year?

Nothing new. :shrug:

IMO, most of the issues are with the LB's.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> D not in sync with LB flow as it relates to Safety position. In 8 man fronts, the LBers gaps are away from the safety (so you have four defenders in each gap on either side on the defense). Fast flow away $ ... Slow flow to $. Communication? Not good.</p>&mdash; Paul Alexander (@CoachPaulAlex) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachPaulAlex/status/1194033699383324674?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Been saying awhile we are soft. It is Andy m.o. probably half the injuries are from other teams stuffing their shit in.

**** you

:thumb::thumb:

It’s safe to say nothing will change while Andy is here. He won’t get it done

This is spot on, If you watch the long run Raglund and Hitchen are hip to hip over the top instead of Raglund, the play's backside linebacker filling the cut back lane.

I originally thought Jones messed this up but he was playing the backside DE. He did both wrong there. Ragland good god it’s like he tried to get washed up on that play

Defense? We don't need no stinkin defense!

We took three steps forward and one step back.

Hope we can take another one forward this week.

He actually is playing Hitchens gap, way over pursues and is actually almost hip to hip with Hitchens much of the play, he should scrape through the cutback lane under the wash and he would have had a few TFLs or at least short gains...

Little unfair. Three out of the last four games this D played well. No excuses for the Henry breakout though.

Yeah Ragland shows the agressiveness on that play but he is not smart at all.

Blame starts with Reid. He’s the Head Coach, not the Offensive Coordinator.

2 of the 3 phases of the game were atrocious again this week. Starts at the top.

Also, maybe the Ogbah injury is good for the defense. Maybe this will force us to roll with Nnadi and Saunders inside. Maybe Jones becomes a DE first.

No excuses for being trucked by Tannehill either.

The way Fenton tried to tackle Tannehill made me want to vomit. That was disgusting and soft as there is.

Bring back Gunther Cunningham! NOW!

When they get tired of being made fun they will play with more anger. When Andy gets tired of it he will design a game plan that helps them. All he does is wing it everywhere with no regard to the defense. If we had a good defense he could do that but we don't. We have bunch of cast off bums at LB for certain and no depth.

We are now the Packers of old. Rogers wins the game or they lose. No ground attack and defense is just crap. They didn't change until Like left and we may be the same. As long as Andy has Mahomes he won't change.

I don't understand why we aren't looking at guys like Zach brown or Brandon Marshall. Worst case, quality depth for probably not a lot of $.

Chief's Defense: "Here, hold our beers".

I don't understand how they can go so many years without caring about having a stud LB to run the defense. O also don't get how Andy can't have the brains to adjust his offense to help the defense. It's literally stupid not to.

Yeah the old guys love to talk how important the ****ing running game is. Yada yada yada. Time of possession yada yada.

They were a top 10 defense for 2 or 3 years under Sutton.

Suppose to be Hitchens.

It's hard to have a good defense when your entire team is soft. The most important things about defense are toughness, focus, aggression. You can make up for a lot of problems by just knocking the crap out of people.

Our team is tissue paper soft because our Head Coach is soft. I don't know how we are ever going to field a good defense with Andy hugging and kissing everyone.

I wanted Gregg Williams for DC. That MFer is mean

Hitchens was good in Dallas, he transformed into crap when he came to KC.

When players are bad on your team but good elsewhere, it's usually a sign of bad coaching or bad team chemistry.

I really don't like how Thornhill is playing soft and lazy. It makes me think that Mathieu is a bad example.

Mathieu is too busy fighting people on twitter to be a good mentor to Thornhill.

Yet ANOTHER Brett Veach bust.

Me too but he won't come here because his family lives nearby. :(

Bring him in for a look?

This is pretty bad. Rushing yards allowed is an underrated stat. People forget how a team can take control of game by being able to run the football late in the game. Its the simplest way to close out games, if you can do it. 90 rushing yards allowed in the 2nd half alone is a lot considering how many possessions you may have.

A team allowing 90 rushing yards in the 2nd half of games Id expect to be under .500. The Chiefs are not, but this is a horrible thing to be this bad at. The Chiefs have to take that step of once you get up early you got to step on the throat of teams, which they seldom do. They are vulnerable to more teams than they should be because of this.

At least the Packers got a ring before it became clear that the coach/GM were not surrounding Rodgers with a proper roster. Chiefs are a long, long way from championship level defense, special teams, and discipline in general.

From what I understand Andy is pretty hands off when it comes to the D. He basically lets the GM and DC do their thing. He will give input here and there but nothing crazy. Reid does like DCs who like to blitz though.

Our D sucks because the players aren't good. It's not scheme. GM is doing a shit job of getting talent for our D. CBs are bad, LBs are bad, Dline is average, Safeties are good but nothing spectacular. There is no way any DC can fix that.

In order to stop the run consistently, our dline and LBs have to win their one-on-one battles. There is no way around it and right now our players are not doing it.

I saw that.

So much for the 4-3 being the answer to all your run problems.

Andy had some great defenses in Philly under Jimmy Johnson and that was when he had his most success.

It’s basically all on Spags. I’ve seen improvement this season, but we knew this defense would take more than a year to fix in a new system.

If anything has hurt this team, it’s injuries.

If only.......couldn't be any worse than it is now.

There's also a little bit of the schedule being a kick in the dick. Our Achilles heel is run defense. Wouldn't you know it, 7 of 10 games have been against top 15 run offenses. ZERO games vs bottom 10 run offenses. Wouldn't you know it, the only 3 non top 15 run offenses (green bay, Detroit, Denver) our defense looked at least semi competent.

It's not an excuse. But it's an explanation. I think we're one of several nfl teams who thought we should build D around speed and many offenses exploited that by building power run offenses.

Stop dude. I don't care about bs rankings.

It didn't produce squat in the playoffs.

Yet it had no problem stuffing the run against your shit team. LMAO

Broncos beat the Titans 16-0 with Flaccid as the QB.

Same team that put 35 up on you.

At least you have Darron Lee to bring in off the bench to help cover TE's in the WC game if you get there. Your lucky the AFC West is so bad this year or there would be no WC home game this year.

To me it just feels like the lines (both D and O) are soft and it spreads to the rest of the team. This team played soft late in the game last weekend and had errors in ST's. Who knows what will happen the rest of the season but I think Veach needs to build from the core out.

Chiefs beat Donk 30 - 6 without Mahomes. The end.
Go to bed Bronco Steven, maybe with a good night's sleep you'll wake up a little less reeruned tomorrow morning.

Wrong narrative. Chiefs D gave up a lot of yards, but only allowed four Titans possessions to score points, the other six Titans possession were either punts or TOs. Forced a fumble which they recovered on the first Titans possession. Forced a turn-over on downs on their second-to-last possession.

Chiefs offense scored on 7 of 11 possessions. But only three for TDs. If the Chiefs offense scores just one more TD, we aren't having this conversation. And last year, the offense would've scored 5 TDs and kicked only 3 FGs.

We never expected the Chiefs D to be dominant this year, just top 18 or so. At least if we were realistic about it.

You want to lay blame, then Pat gets some for completely over-throwing Hill for an easy TD in the first half. And in the second half, though that throw had a higher level of difficulty.

I just figured that a younger Andy wasn't as soft. He's had plenty of family issues that might lead him to be more concerned with family and friends, instead of money and winning.

Wrong. Houston, Indy, Titans and Lions are not great ground teams and they each went in dry on us on the ground
Our LBs are shit. That's our biggest problem on defense. We have nothing there at all

Being soft shows up in the trenches more and that's where we look weakest. I just don't think that's a coincidence.

Tackling is about commitment and attitude more than talent. Our tackling is complete shit. Our guys look like they don't want to get hurt when they are tackling someone.

Somebody already said it... But the Spags hire was a "buddy" hire...

Dude, I refuse to lay any blame on Patrick Mahomes because this team has averaged 31 points per game in all of his losses. What does that say? The DEFENSE is terrible and can’t really stop anyone consistently. You can say it’s the wrong narrative or whatever else, but you aren’t winning many games in the NFL when giving up 150 rushing yards per game at over 5yds a clip.

Ding....Ding...Ding!
Been saying the same thing since TC. Way back in the "Biggest Weakness" thread.Thought they were one of the worst units in the league.

Pennel almost single handily shores up the middle of the d.

I’m flabbergasted he wasn’t playing. I have no explanation

I really did like veach up until recently. Not grabbing the linebacker philly cut was inexcusable. It was a no downside no risk move that he didn’t make.

Exactly! The D is TOTAL SHIT. I laugh at all these "smart guys" with some stupid as **** "hot take" who want to blame the offense. They try so hard to be smart and identify something other than the ****ing obvious. Idiots.

Don't think anyone is. Would be absurd to. However, it would be one thing if we flat out lost drives. We beat ourselves. As outstanding as our offense played we still left points on the table.

To some extent I'm glad that happened so our defense doesn't develop a mentality that our offense will keep bailing out defense out. But this offense at full strength and without really stupid mistakes would have won this game despite our complete defense and special teams incompetence.

They thought Tannehill & Co were gonna throw b/c they averaged 23 points a game since he was named the starter. Dumbasses.

When Spagnuolo was hired didn't he say something to the effect of we have the MVP, great offense, so the D has to be just good enough? I fear that lax attitude is trickling down and always in the back of their minds.
I am even willing to bet that the buddy hire conversation between Reid and Spagnuolo went something like "Hey Spags I have this generational kid who will do my offensive bidding, just oversee the D so that I can focus on the best looking 3rd and 2 TE screens".

The 2014 defense didnt make the playoffs because the offense didnt have 1 single TD reception. Houston tied the record for sacks and they didnt allow 1 300 yard passer all year. That's pretty damn good.

I agree with this. The offense and team in general are heavily dependent on pat nailing those shots. It’s not that we necessarily HAVE to be like that (we did good with a ball control style) it’s just that we’re letting mahomes be the hero so he needs to also deliver. I have no doubts this team would be in a similar position if we were playing a different type of tempo offense.

Also the left tackle is ****ing everything up. Once fisher gets back this team changes completely.

Fisher and PENNELL need to be in the ****ing game desperately.

Btw that 14 defense did that without DJ and Berry for most of the year.

Sutton's shitty, soft "numbers" defenses should never be held up as a positive. Ever.
That guy ****ing sucked worse than Reid and isn't even worthy of holding the piss bucket for Marty, Cowher, and Stram to piss in.
THOSE guys knew how to build a defense that ate souls for shits and giggles.

To a WR...

welllll duh.... LMAO

Reid has earned the right to have coaches on his staff he is comfortable working with.

That soft defense hel Brady to what? 10 points? And seattle to 20. 2 super bowl teams. This defense could only dream of doing that.

Yall dont want to admit Sutton had some good defenses because your boomers and want to pretend only good things happened 20 years ago.

Is that the same defense responsible for the 2nd largest playoff collapse in NFL history? Or did that happen to another one of Sutton's top defenses? I cant remember, its all a blur of suck...

That was the year before and that defense had just about everyone get injured.

Just stop being a dumbass. Oh wait, you cant cuz you're a millennial...

Pay attention to how to spell "you're." You just may learn something. ;)

:rolleyes: Paper Tiger defense because we had easier schedules. Once we started winning consistently having to play tougher teams that went away.