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DaFace 01-07-2018 07:25 PM

FWIW, I asked on reddit, and the universal response was that atmospheric drag really can slow it down that much.

Donger 01-07-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13344087)
FWIW, I asked on reddit, and the universal response was that atmospheric drag really can slow it down that much.

That really does have to be the answer. There really isn't anything else going on to slow it. Maybe the numbers flashing by were just messing me up.

DaFace 01-07-2018 08:07 PM

Donger, if you want some more technical explanations...

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comm...dates/dscgtet/

eDave 01-07-2018 09:48 PM

https://i.redd.it/8jkukgakvq801.jpg

Donger 01-08-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13344262)
Donger, if you want some more technical explanations...

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comm...dates/dscgtet/

Yep, I get it. But again. I was surprised at the rate of deceleration due to just atmospheric "drag"

Donger 01-08-2018 04:04 PM

Rumblings that the payload for the Zuma mission did not achieve orbit. Possibly disinformation, of course.

RINGLEADER 01-08-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 13346566)
Rumblings that the payload for the Zuma mission did not achieve orbit. Possibly disinformation, of course.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/spac...acex-was-lost/

DaFace 01-08-2018 07:49 PM

It's definitely weird. The only official statement is that the F9 performed its duties fine. The payload is classified, so who knows if it ended up having an issue of its own or if it was some sort of test that didn't really require a true orbit. Or maybe it's up there just fine, and all of this secrecy is just to further conceal the mission's purpose.

I doubt we'll ever know, but it doesn't seem like SpaceX is reacting like anything went wrong at all. FH is rolling out for what is expected to be a Wednesday static fire, and there haven't been any rumblings at all about any other launches being delayed due to a failure.

In the meantime, this shot from the launch is really cool.

<a data-flickr-embed="true" data-context="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/39585575631/" title="Zuma Mission"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4603/39585575631_67ecc76b5d_c.jpg" width="800" height="534" alt="Zuma Mission"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GloryDayz 01-08-2018 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 13344602)

The picture is interesting, I get the two lines where the first stage did it's burns, and the gap seen in the arc between MECO and the second stage starting up, the up-loop showing the back-burn of the first stage, but I don't get why the first burn of the first stage's reentry burn appears higher than where the first and second stages separated.

Just angles?

DaFace 01-08-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13347444)
The picture is interesting, I get the two lines where the first stage did it's burns, and the gap seen in the arc between MECO and the second stage starting up, the up-loop showing the back-burn of the first stage, but I don't get why the first burn of the first stage's reentry burn appears higher than where the first and second stages separated.

Just angles?

It definitely kicks up higher the during the boostback burn. Some of it's probably angles, but it probably starts the reentry burn in about the same spot as separation.

This illustration's not to scale or anything, but should give you the gist.

https://i.imgur.com/D9BdO86.png

DaFace 01-08-2018 08:47 PM

Welp, this doesn't sound good.

Highly classified US spy satellite appears to be a total loss after SpaceX launch

GloryDayz 01-08-2018 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13347486)
It definitely kicks up higher the during the boostback burn. Some of it's probably angles, but it probably starts the reentry burn in about the same spot as separation.

This illustration's not to scale or anything, but should give you the gist.

https://i.imgur.com/D9BdO86.png

That helps a lot. Thanks..

DaFace 01-09-2018 09:43 AM

For what it's worth, here's Gwynne's official statement about Zuma:

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For clarity: after review of all data to date, Falcon 9 did everything correctly on Sunday night. If we or others find otherwise based on further review, we will report it immediately. Information published that is contrary to this statement is categorically false. Due to the classified nature of the payload, no further comment is possible.

Since the data reviewed so far indicates that no design, operational or other changes are needed, we do not anticipate any impact on the upcoming launch schedule. Falcon Heavy has been rolled out to launchpad LC-39A for a static fire later this week, to be followed shortly thereafter by its maiden flight. We are also preparing for an F9 launch for SES and the Luxembourg Government from SLC-40 in three weeks.
So basically, it sounds like the satellite itself was a loss, but at least for now, it looks like the issue was that the connector to the F9 second stage didn't release properly. In this case, that connector wasn't designed by SpaceX, so it's not on them.

So good news: no delays to FH or the rest of SpaceX's manifest. Bad news: the U.S. appears to have lost a very expensive satellite.

Donger 01-09-2018 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13348877)
Bad news: the U.S. appears to have lost a very expensive satellite.

That's just what they want you to think... :)

DaFace 01-09-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 13348920)
That's just what they want you to think... :)

Misdirection is certainly a plausible answer here too. I don't think we'll ever know...


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