Or top 20 really.

I would be OK with a top 25 defense. :banghead:

Raider fans are going to be chippy come Week 11.

Losing sucks, but this is fun.

It's still a bad Gaid team. Embarrassing loss today.

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Raiders are no longer a bad team.

The Bills needed a couple fluky fumbles to beat us last week, and we still had some key players out with injury, namely Ruggs and Brown.

When healthy, our offense is in that next tier down from KC (KC is alone at the top with the best offense in the NFL).

Our Defense isn't good, but is improving a bit. I think we need to dump the DC, but probably not going to happen, to your benefit.

The Raiders aren't a bad team. They're an 8-8 team. They might be marginally better than last year but they're not a playoff team.

More like a 9-7 team who might win 10 games because of a relatively weak schedule after our bye.

Sorry, I should have explained that better.

By saying they're an 8-8 team, I believe they could finish with anywhere from 7 to 9 wins. They might win 10 games but I think 9 is probably the ceiling.

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It would have changed everything so who knows how things would look overall at this point, but they could have Antonio Brown if he didn’t lose his mind.

Adding a sane AB to their current roster would worry me, but as things are now I’d say they are probably a 9-7, 10-6 type of squad.

Yep.

I`m a sucker for these stories

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I love that. Everyone has their own circumstances and hardships, and I love when the children appreciate their parents hardwork. Hopefully that kid gets a second contract so he can retire her.

Agree. Last year he got hurt in the first half of the first game and was out for the year. This is essentially his rookie season and we all saw last Sunday his presence is felt in a significant way. This is a vintage 70`s type of football player for sure.

This is why they "won"...ref ball.

They know it....

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Sometimes those just don't get called. It was a bang bang play. It does look like pass interference though especially when it's slowed down then freeze framed. Human judgement calls are always going to be questionable.

Didn’t mean to upvote this.

It was blatant and should’ve been called. I didn’t even need to see the replay to know it was clearly PI.

It is the sole reason the Raiders won the game though correct? That is what he is implying. Chiefs would have went on to score a TD on every possession afterwards.

Like I said it looks like pass interference but to imply that the Chiefs would have won the game with that being a flag is ridiculous OR that refs where trying to help the Raiders win.

I don’t think the refs were necessarily trying to help the Raiders win, but the officiating was absolutely one-sided for whatever reason. They literally took 11 pts off the board, and likely another 7 on this play. How was that not a factor?

Every fan of every team can dissect every play of bad calls or non calls and convince themselves it was a game changer. Additionally every fan base can also convince themselves that they are specifically targeted by the NFL unlike any other team in some conspiracy theory.

Well, the Raiders don't suck anymore. Not saying they're great, but they're getting better.

I will say penalties are a factor in every game. The Raiders had 8 penalties for 59 yards and the Chiefs had 10-94. I wouldn't really call that one sided. The play in the picture could probably not be a TD as well.

It’s not about the penalties and the yardage. It’s about literally taking points off the board with ticky tack penalties then letting the Raiders get away with blatant PI on what would’ve been a huge play. That’s why it was ridiculously one-sided and had a bigger impact than officiating should ever have on the outcome (score) of a game.

Those penalty/yardage #’s don’t take into account the fact that the Chiefs lost a 50 yard TD, another TD that led to a FG instead, and another 40-50 yard play that would’ve set them up for another TD.

The “play in the picture” would’ve put the Chiefs inside the 10 with a chance to score a TD. I wasn’t implying it would’ve been automatic, but it’s more likely than not that it took 7 off the board.

So again, it’s not about yardage, it’s about points. I’m not putting all of the blame on the refs, or saying it’s a conspiracy theory. The Chiefs still could’ve won the game. But how anybody can deny that the officiating was one-sided and had too much of an impact on the game is beyond me.

KC had to punt after that "no call"...Raiders scored with a bomb on the next drive. Cause and effect in just a few plays. Chiefs went from potentially being up 2 scores to trailing...meh, I knew the new stadium was going to get KC for at least one game.

If the 2016 Raiders taught us anything...is that the NFL can manufacture a regular season winner.

I haven't decided which ref "hatchet job" was worse...the Raiders opener against the Saints or this one. New Orleans had a sequence where they threw 3 flags in succession in the 3rd quarter....hadn't seen that in a long time.

I understand your take on the penalties.

I'm thinking the refs don't take into consideration throwing a flag or not throwing a flag if it's a 50 yard bomb TD vs a 7 yard gain.

We could go round and round on this but like I said I see your take on the game. Trust me I've seen plenty of crap penalties as the Raiders are the most penalized team in the past 30 years.

I hate to say it but the Raiders have significantly improved largely because of the trade Khalil Mack to the Bears and it's paying off for the thug lifers.



I do think that the competitiveness will bring out the best of Patrick Mahomes II and the Kansas City Chiefs so that we will be better prepared for the playoffs. The Raiders came to play and gave us a bloody nose but the bleeding will stop and we will scalp them in Viva Los Vegas.

so far this year we have been on the generous side as far as penalties go, but you need not go back further than the last game of last year at Denver to see just how one sided the refs can be towards the Raiders. I'm still pissed off from that farce of a game.

You’re still missing the point. If you want to call those penalties, that’s fine, but you can’t turn around and not call a blatant PI on what would’ve been a huge game changing play. The PI on Hill was worse than both of the penalties that took points off the board for the Chiefs. You could even argue those 2 had little to no impact on the actual play, but you can’t with the PI on Hill. That’s absolutely one-sided officiating and had an impact on the outcome of the game.

Spagnuolo planned on Carr being the typical check-down pussy he is...he wont leave those corners on an island with Ruggs going forward.

It was a chess game based on tendencies...banking on that even if Ruggs was one-on-one, Carr wouldn't throw it deep.

It was an anomoly...once Carr gets hit...he turtles.

Pretty much, or so it seems after reviewing the game once. Spags bet on the pass rush getting home, and even if it didn't, he bet that they'd generate just enough pressure to make Carr bring his eyes down and throw short. A pretty good bet over the last couple years. He didn't bank on Carr having what amounts to a career day. But every dog has his day.

Yep. Spags gambled and failed. It won't happen again.

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Remmers did not have a good day.

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After your team wins 13 straight (including a SB) watching a close loss isn't that bad.

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I rewatched the game yesterday, and the way the Raiders D played after allowing KC to get those early 21 points was frankly amazing. A couple dropped INTs, one on the drive that got KC to 32, if caught would have changed it even more.

KC better get that OL fixed.

I don’t know that there was an agenda to help the Raiders, but I know that officiating was one-sided and benefited the Raiders greatly.

Remember the Raiders game in KC last year? Something like 12 Raider penalties to 0? Hard to imagine there not being an agenda in that game. Although I don’t think it would have mattered.

Call the WAAAAAHmbulance.

Having watched the game again yesterday, the Chiefs really have nothing, and I mean nothing, to cry about in regards to the officiating. You got as many beneficial calls, or non-calls, as the Raiders received.

Your problem is that you are used to getting ALL the calls now.

I’ll give the Raiders credit for a good offensive performance, but I didn’t see much to be impressed with from their defense. They got a few stops. Big deal. A few of those were due to dropped passes. Penalties killed a few other drives. The Chiefs should have had 50 points on the board.

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Chiefs fan as they refuse to acknowledge that they have a real problem on offense right now. It is criminal malfeasance by Veach how much Mahomes has to run for his life.

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Getting all the calls? Like in the AFCC vs the Patriots? Or vs Houston in the regular season last year?

There have been times that it seemed the Chiefs benefited from officiating, but it was generally in games in which it didn't really matter. Like the aforementioned Raiders game with the a big penalty disparity. But officiating played a major role in keeping them out of the SB two years ago and in the Houston loss last year, and nearly cost them a win vs Pittsburgh the year before. Just as a few examples. The only time I even remember a fanbase complaining that the refs won a game for the Chiefs (aside from some 49ers fans who thought that the call on Kittle in the first half cost them the SB) was in Foxboro last year, and the Patriots actually had a large penalty disparity in their favor. They just focused on a call or two near the end of the game like their whiny ass fans do.

If you want to argue that the Chiefs had as many calls go their way as the Raiders in this game, that may be possible, but the Raiders didn't have 18 points taken away. In fact, they didn't have 0. It's a joke to say the Chiefs have nothing to complain about.

That said, shit happens. The occasional loss is expected. This will just increase the intensity in the rematch, and I have no doubt that KC will depants the Raiders in primetime in Vegas.

Uh....I don't think anyone's overly worried about the offense. The defense might be a bit of a concern, but there's no reason to worry about being able to score, especially after adding Bell. Could the offensive line be better? Sure, but that's been the case for years. Mahomes has been running around making plays throughout his short career.

If you're using a game in which the Chiefs scored 32 and should have had 50 as an example of offensive struggle, I think you're proving my point for me.

Why don't you compare the Chiefs offensive stats this year to a year ago at this time and get back to me.

The blueprint to beat the Chiefs is keeping Mahomes in the pocket with pressure. Give him 10-12 seconds to wander around in the backfield and he will kill you every time.



Chiefs need to be more patient and run the ball more instead of going for the homerun every other play. Chiefs still the best team in the NFL but play calling is a bit suspect at times.

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ROFL

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Ha!

That would blow up his whole argument?

If I were into betting...Vegas Raiders, in an inaugural season with a new stadium, would be my only interest.

NFL corporate has already seen to it that the Saints and Chiefs are PR fodder...if you go to a Raiders forum, check out how excited they are. THAT was/is the goal...generate new fan interest and land a "low hanging fruit" post-season position. Sell hope....

If you think the officials are done at just manipulating the KC/NO games...you didn't pay attention to their 2016 "convince Nevada politicians to green-light the move" tour. Carr actually set a NFL record for most 4th quarter comebacks...yeah right...then that "best ever in history...ice in your veins" magic just vanished...never to reappear. So how do you immediately fall off this imaginary cliff...only to start to redeem yourself a few years later?

Simple...build a stadium in the gambling capital of the universe.

They were *cough* "good" in 2016..when they were seeking relocation approval...suddenly, they are "good" again in 2020 when the move is complete...just shave off 18 points from the SB champs and you're magically a "winner".

2015 7-9, 2016 12-4, 2017 6-10, 2018 4-12, 2019 7-9...their one winning record was when they were "lobbying" politicians.

Hallelujah!

You are by far the smartest poster on CP. :clap:

It also seemed to me that on at least one of those long TDs someone blew their assignment.

Overall, it was a combination of risky play calling on defense, with a little bit of a poor performance by the defensive line, AND poor performances from the O-line, and the receivers and tight ends. The receivers had their hands on a lot of passes they didn't catch, and most of those passes were on the money.

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Do people remember, prior to their 2016 season, all the pundits...seemingly out of nowhere, universally started hyping the Raiders? This was across the board...it was the strangest thing.

I couldn't figure out why as they went 7-9 the year before.

Usually, to generate this level of off-season buzz...you have at least one "statement" game. You handedly beat a contender or two...even though you ended up with a losing record. This dictates your team is on the "rise"...and improving.

These were the teams the Raiders beat to earn the 2016 hype...

5-11 Ravens
3-13 Browns
4-12 Chargers
10-6 Jets (Fitzpatrick was injured after 5 passes...backup Geno Smith came in. It was his only appearance that season.)
3-13 Titans
12-4 Broncos (Carr was 12/29 for 135 in a 15-12 game against backup Osweiler)
4-12 Chargers

So essentially their only "impressive" victories, against winning teams, were against back-up QBs.

The rest were teams with 5 or fewer wins...

They were 17th in offense and 22nd in defense.

In their final 8 games...they scored 14, 13, 15 ,17, 20, 20, 24 (3-13 Titans) 23 (OT 4-12 Chargers).

Half way through their "miracle" 12-4 season...it was publicly announced they were meeting with Nevada politicians about a potential relocation.

All the preseason hype...created out of thin air...suddenly made perfect sense....as did the record amount of 4th quarter comebacks. They promptly went back to sucking once the move was approved.

There were blown assignments all day unfortunately. The defensive backfield was just atrocious.

Defence was terrible and Mahomes couldn't channel his inner Thigpen for the first time in a long while.....See what happens today

So Raiders are most certainly formidable then.........makes this kinda fun now.

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Wow. Those drugs must be prime out there in KC. Imagine believing the refs/league has ever been on the Raiders side LMAO. Whatever helps you sleep at night after your fat L.

Obviously you haven't met BlackOp . . .

They're in Vegas now with a brand spanking new stadium. Bit different.

Whether or not there was an agenda is immaterial. The bottom line is that the Raiders likely lose (and probably by double digits) if they had called an obvious DPI and not wiped two TDs off the board.

But, by all means, get your shots in for a few more weeks. Lord knows you haven't had the opportunity for about 20 years. LMAO

I'm a Raiders fan who has long been frustrated with the refs always being against us, and so far this year the tides have seemingly changed, we've gotten several calls in our favor that previously the refs would take glee in ****ing us over with.

I won’t deny that the Raiders got disproportionately bent over by refs for years, but I don’t think they had a bunch of playoff-worthy teams that were held down like Raiders fans think.

It’s also hard to deny that the Chiefs routinely got bent over in the playoffs until last year.

I see you joined in 2016...and have 13 posts.

Now you are back in 2020.

You are the posterboy for what the NFL is trying to accomplish with this Vegas relocation...

They got you excited in 2016...just like the Nevada politicians. Raiders went back to sucking until the stadium was complete...now you are excited again.

It's not a coincidence that the Raiders had a bye scheduled immediately after an early-season game against the Chiefs. It would take too long to explain the reasoning behind it...and why Clete Blakeman was the official.

Kind of amazing that they have a nationally televised game...SNF... after two weeks of celebrating their biggest win in a decade....in Vegas against Tom Brady no less...that's some random major marketing luck right there. Al and Chris can wax poetically about how they just beat the defending SB champs...and made the casinos millions.

This Sunday Night game is interesting for a number of reason...both the Panthers/Saints have already lost to the Raiders. Tampa losing this game doesn't have much effect in regards to their division. Saints have already lost to the Packers...and the Bucs just beat them. Saints beat the Bucs in week one...so the rematch is already set-up week 9. Bucs have the lowly Giants week 8...if the Bucs beat the Saints after dropping the Raiders game...they are even in the division with the conference tie breaker.

Conversely...this is a national prime-time game in their new stadium against tongue-kissing Tom. Assuming KC beats the Donks...they will will risk being behind 2 games in the standings...and 3-3.

Bucs are the better team...just coming off a 38-10 win over the undefeated Packers. It will be a major victory if Vegas out-right wins this game...for the league AND the casinos. The set-up is there...Raiders would have beaten Brees, Mahomes and Brady.

If the Raiders win this game with questionable officiating again...well.

We'll see how the NFL wants to play it...fairly called game, Bucs win.

Getting the Raiders to the post-season is priority #1 for the NFL this season...

[QUOTE=BlackOp;15262533]I see you joined in 2016...and have 13 posts.

Now you are back in 2020.

You are the posterboy for what the NFL is trying to accomplish with this Vegas relocation...

They got you excited in 2016...just like the Nevada politicians. Raiders went back to sucking until the stadium was complete...now you are excited again.

It's not a coincidence that the Raiders had a bye scheduled immediately after an early-season game against the Chiefs. It would take too long to explain the reasoning behind it...and why Clete Blakeman was the official.

Kind of amazing that they have a nationally televised game...SNF... after two weeks of celebrating their biggest win in a decade....in Vegas against Tom Brady no less...that's some random major marketing luck right there. Al and Chris can wax poetically about how they just beat the defending SB champs...and made the casinos millions.[/QUOTE]

Hallelujah

[QUOTE=CarlosCarson88;15262712]It seems the Raiders play the Chiefs always after the Chiefs bye. Andy Reid is something like 14-1 after having 2 weeks to prepare for an opponent? Check the schedule and see who the Chiefs play after their bye this year.

Are you aware the Raiders went 7 weeks straight last year with no home game?

The Raiders are playing against Brady. You do remember the Tuck rule right? That one play gives light to what you are saying. Right after 9-11, Team called the Patriots, Their colors are red/white/blue. But the Patriots still had to drive the field twice and kick field goals in the snow.

Lets not act like the Raiders never get any bad breaks. Some of your points do seem to fit but the Refs aren't playing the game. They may be able to make it tilt but they are not touching the ball during play. It's really hard to believe that the NFL refs are making a push for any certain team to win. Now I didn't say impossible but it's just hard to believe that.

Exactly. Just like how the league pushed them last year to build excitement for the relocation just like you said.

Oh wait.

Cool...now can you explain the financial benefits to the NFL...having the Chiefs up 4 games (head-to-head) in the division with 10 weeks left? Or having the Raiders at 2-3 in a billion dollar stadium...trying to gain traction in a city that didn't really want them.

People dont realize that the locals are largely indifferent to the Raiders...many didn't want them there at all. There isn't a swell of excitement in Vegas about them. It's a Golden Knights city. They want home a grown team to root for...not some transient team with an established fan base from another city.

The GNs actually went to the Stanely Cup in their first season in Vegas...what are the odds? Quite the Cinderella story right?

Did I mention that the casinos made million off the Raiders win?

It's cool if you want to believe the NFL is about the integrity of sport...purveyors of the spirit of competition.

I think it's comprised of 32 billionaire owners that made their fortune juking the system...that built a monopoly that is free of legal interference. One that is primarily financed by television ratings.

"It's just business"....

I have no beef with the Raiders...the NFL is more fun when there is a legit rivalry. When they start manipulating games to manufacture one...for ratings and betting...it sucks. It becomes theater..

2 of the 3 Raiders wins have been heavily influenced by the officials...Saints/Chiefs. If you cant see a pattern forming...it's not my concern.

Their first win wasn't controversy-free either...the HC took some heat when he chose to run a FB instead of McCaffrey on a 4th and short...which effectively ended the game.

There's no financial benefit. Just like there's no financial benefit of having the biggest brand in sports world wide, the cowboys, be 2-4. Or two teams in the biggest market in the country be a combined 1-11 And yet here we are. If it were about business, how do you explain that?

Anyways, I appreciate the league rigging it so the chiefs won the Superbowl last year. I'm sure you predicted that all along... :)

This need to manufacture the Raiders into a "winner" is directly influencing how games are being called against KC. If they were in the NFC..I wouldn't be aware of these "patterns"....and wouldn't have understood their miracle 2016 season.

In a season where there is a NFL directive to limit "inconsequential" holding calls...and scoring is at an all time high...KC has had three TDs removed in the last 4 games.

I consider the hold at the end of the Chargers game...the one where the Chiefs would have had 1st and goal inside the 5 "removing a TD". It forced the game into OT...then the bomb against the Raiders...and another against the Bills.

Mahomes is just super-human..otherwise KC could easily be 3-3 right now...and guess who would be in 1st place? Yep...

You might want to take this over to the "official NFL is rigged" thread.

I saw yesterday that one of the mods was handing out warnings about getting too deep into this stuff in multiple threads.

Boy if anyone thinks this is fishy now wait till Bezos buys a team.

No financial benefit...yeah right. Guess who is on SNF this week...after beating the world champs. ROFL

I sure as shit called a LA team in the SB early that year...and they got one by the worst call in NFCCG history. They had to invent a new rule because of it..

I would never predict KC in the SB...not after that shit-show with NE...and 50 years of everything going against them.

Dallas is still in first place...

Have you ever seen a child's reaction...the first time they realize Santa is their parents?

Football fans...even as adults...just cant accept something that contradicts their early indoctrination. Even when there is evidence to support it...

It's sports entertainment...it's fun...and there really isn't anything else like it.

You've been saying this stupid shit every year for the last 4 years.

I swear you're bi-polar.

One day you can talk football like a normal person, the next day you make an idiot out of yourself.

We know. You made a thread about it last year, about how the refs and the NFL would never allow it.

Then the Chiefs won the SB.